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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFive Important Things Women Don’t Know About Men
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/five-important-things-women-dont-know-about-men/Its true, men are complicated and confusing. Noah Brand clears up five common misconceptions.
The title is, to be fair, an overgeneralization. These things are not universally true of all men, and there definitely are women out there who know and understand some or all of them. By and large, though, these are five areas where communication between the two most popular genders tends to break down on grounds of incomprehension. Women, this might help explain a few things.
1. We are starved for compliments.
Theres an old rule men learn about flirting with women: if a womans pretty, dont expect to impress her by telling her so. People have been telling her that every single day since puberty, and it no longer even registers as anything other than background noise.
On the other hand, most men have never been told theyre pretty. Or attractive at all. Were supposed to derive value from our success and careers, not our looks, and there is an overwhelming cultural narrative that we are the wanter, not the wanted, the pursuer, not the pursued, the desiring, not the desirable.
---the rest at the link...
snooper2
(30,151 posts)LOL
Matariki
(18,775 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Response to Matariki (Reply #2)
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)loli phabay
(5,580 posts)As long as we just argued on the threads we were good.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Sweet Jesus I fucking loathe sweeping generalizations that are made based on people's sex organs.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)MicaelS
(8,747 posts)It is a fact. And yes it is based on men's sex organs. In fact that is what it is all about.
riqster
(13,986 posts)The way I explain it to women is "imagine if your breasts changed size and shifted around randomly. Now imagine that happening between your legs. Tell me that wouldn't make you need to adjust them".
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)The whole piece reads like a marvelous sendup of similar articles painting women as a monolithic entity.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,013 posts)Yes, it does make generalizations, but generalizations are not evil when the reader reads with enough savvy to know that they are reading a generalization. It uses generalizations to make the point that people (women usually but also many men) are generally making the wrong generalizations.
For an example of a simple but true "sweeping generalization based on people's sex organs": it is a generalization to say that men are taller than women. As such, we are well aware of exceptions. We know of women taller than ourselves (if we are men) and we know of men shorter than ourselves (if we are women). On average, men are taller. The median height for men is taller than the median height for women. The modal point of the distribution of heights of men is a taller height than the modal point of the distribution of the heights of women.
Someone like me would write the article the OP refers to with a lot of qualifiers to assist the reader in realizing that a generalization is not a black/white statement and is not all-or-nothing. I tend to write qualifiers like "tend", "most", "many", "almost", "usually", "frequently", "mostly", "nearly", "often", "ordinarily", "commonly". I almost never write a bald "never". Even so, I almost always can read an article written without qualifiers and realize that the generalizations the writer is making are only generalizations and not binary statements even if moderating qualifiers are missing.
Those who miss the fact that generalizations are only a statistical statement and that generalizations are not all inclusive miss the point.
The point of the article is that there are better generalizations (statistical statements) about men than the usual generalizations (statistical statements) that many people believe.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)From the linked article:
It should be possible for someone to write about what "tends to" correlate with sex organs without being read as meaning that either gender is monolithic.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I was not aware that men are 'starved for compliments'. Then again, I am only 41 years old and a man, so what would I know?
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Better?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)the other day I was asked how many 4-legged animals I could name in 60 seconds. Know how many I got up to? Five. Five animals before I blanked. I guess we all have our moments.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)There's something fishy about that whole website, like it's designed and written by a round table of editrixes who needed a place to put their male-interest stories.
Yet it completely lacks red meat, cars, and a bucket of blood. It's a trap!
"Yet it completely lacks red meat, cars, and a bucket of blood. It's a trap!"
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)on this list.
raccoon
(31,111 posts)I had a young co-worker once. He was in a wheelchair. I'd never realized until I knew him how that
could be off-putting to many young women who figured he wouldn't be able to be a good provider.
My 30-something son, who has a full tank of testosterone, calls me on a regular basis to:
1. Vent anger that he restrains with those that trigger it.
2. Talk about whatever is bothering him.
3. Ask for advice about choices he's considering in his life. He asks me because he knows I'll support whatever choice he makes, so listening to my thinking is safe, rather than ending up with any kind of pressure.
When his father died, he laid his head on my shoulder and sobbed, loudly and openly, at the memorial.
He has no problem with expressing any kind of emotion except that of fear, which he saves for me because I'm "safe." He expresses anger just fine; he vents the excess my way because he's socially aware, and again, I'm "safe."
I don't know what this says about the OP's point.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Nothing like speaking for all other men. What I usually think is that it should be translated from "we" to "I wish it were accepted by you (plural) women that . . "
Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)That being said, I think the article is worth a read.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)I was curious what people thought about this, particularly whether any of it resonated or not with other men (besides the author).
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)It has come down to two choices, stay stuck in this bizarre 19th century mindset and let it all fall apart, or start using that 1.5 Kg of specialized fat between our ears to adapt ourselves. We are, as far as we know, the only animal on earth with the capacity to choose. The last 6,000 years or so we have made one really bad choice after another. It's well past time we started using what we have to do better, or we can continue to let "somebody else" tell us what to do.
It's up to us, and that makes us unique.