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Matariki

(18,775 posts)
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 12:41 PM Jul 2013

Five Important Things Women Don’t Know About Men

http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/five-important-things-women-dont-know-about-men/

It’s true, men are complicated and confusing. Noah Brand clears up five common misconceptions.
The title is, to be fair, an overgeneralization. These things are not universally true of all men, and there definitely are women out there who know and understand some or all of them. By and large, though, these are five areas where communication between the two most popular genders tends to break down on grounds of incomprehension. Women, this might help explain a few things.

1. We are starved for compliments.

There’s an old rule men learn about flirting with women: if a woman’s pretty, don’t expect to impress her by telling her so. People have been telling her that every single day since puberty, and it no longer even registers as anything other than background noise.

On the other hand, most men have never been told they’re pretty. Or attractive at all. We’re supposed to derive value from our success and careers, not our looks, and there is an overwhelming cultural narrative that we are the wanter, not the wanted, the pursuer, not the pursued, the desiring, not the desirable.

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Five Important Things Women Don’t Know About Men (Original Post) Matariki Jul 2013 OP
Threads like this make me miss Seabeyond and Redqueen snooper2 Jul 2013 #1
they're gone? Matariki Jul 2013 #2
I think they are spending more time with their family or something snooper2 Jul 2013 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Apophis Jul 2013 #14
Ditto. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #5
i miss sea, though we disagreed about everything we were actually friends by pm loli phabay Jul 2013 #22
Because "men" are a monolithic entity who all think, behave, and experience life the same way. MadrasT Jul 2013 #3
I agree with you Matariki Jul 2013 #7
#5 on that list is NOT a sweeping generalization. MicaelS Jul 2013 #10
Oh yeah. riqster Jul 2013 #13
IMHO that's the point. Gormy Cuss Jul 2013 #12
Whoosh. Over your head. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2013 #20
The author of the linked article expressly disclaims the view you're criticizing. Jim Lane Jul 2013 #21
No, but these are common things for many men in our culture. nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #26
smh geek tragedy Jul 2013 #6
Dont feel bad. Youre a very smart guy. A good writer too. bunnies Jul 2013 #8
Unless I make a mistake, in which case I plead stupidity nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #9
Speaking of stupidity... bunnies Jul 2013 #11
I'm not buying it, either. sofa king Jul 2013 #16
lol! Matariki Jul 2013 #28
I can't speak for other men but I did relate to a couple of items leeroysphitz Jul 2013 #15
"4. We are sick of being success objects." Now this one, I can sort of understand. raccoon Jul 2013 #17
#3 LWolf Jul 2013 #18
Five good reasons why I couldn't care less. n/t duffyduff Jul 2013 #19
It's funny how those articles almost always end up using "we" treestar Jul 2013 #23
#6 We are pigs at times. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #24
Raising sons taught me more about men than anything else in my life. cbayer Jul 2013 #25
Thanks for the responses everyone Matariki Jul 2013 #27
This Just In; Men are victimized by this profoundly sick society as well. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #29

Response to Matariki (Reply #2)

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
22. i miss sea, though we disagreed about everything we were actually friends by pm
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:45 PM
Jul 2013

As long as we just argued on the threads we were good.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
3. Because "men" are a monolithic entity who all think, behave, and experience life the same way.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 12:49 PM
Jul 2013

Sweet Jesus I fucking loathe sweeping generalizations that are made based on people's sex organs.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
10. #5 on that list is NOT a sweeping generalization.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:04 PM
Jul 2013

It is a fact. And yes it is based on men's sex organs. In fact that is what it is all about.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
13. Oh yeah.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:19 PM
Jul 2013

The way I explain it to women is "imagine if your breasts changed size and shifted around randomly. Now imagine that happening between your legs. Tell me that wouldn't make you need to adjust them".

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
12. IMHO that's the point.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:12 PM
Jul 2013

The whole piece reads like a marvelous sendup of similar articles painting women as a monolithic entity.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,013 posts)
20. Whoosh. Over your head.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:45 PM
Jul 2013
The article and the five points shoot down gender stereotypes. It dismisses binary thinking.

Yes, it does make generalizations, but generalizations are not evil when the reader reads with enough savvy to know that they are reading a generalization. It uses generalizations to make the point that people (women usually but also many men) are generally making the wrong generalizations.

For an example of a simple but true "sweeping generalization based on people's sex organs": it is a generalization to say that men are taller than women. As such, we are well aware of exceptions. We know of women taller than ourselves (if we are men) and we know of men shorter than ourselves (if we are women). On average, men are taller. The median height for men is taller than the median height for women. The modal point of the distribution of heights of men is a taller height than the modal point of the distribution of the heights of women.

Someone like me would write the article the OP refers to with a lot of qualifiers to assist the reader in realizing that a generalization is not a black/white statement and is not all-or-nothing. I tend to write qualifiers like "tend", "most", "many", "almost", "usually", "frequently", "mostly", "nearly", "often", "ordinarily", "commonly". I almost never write a bald "never". Even so, I almost always can read an article written without qualifiers and realize that the generalizations the writer is making are only generalizations and not binary statements even if moderating qualifiers are missing.

Those who miss the fact that generalizations are only a statistical statement and that generalizations are not all inclusive miss the point.

The point of the article is that there are better generalizations (statistical statements) about men than the usual generalizations (statistical statements) that many people believe.
 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
21. The author of the linked article expressly disclaims the view you're criticizing.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:40 PM
Jul 2013

From the linked article:

The title is, to be fair, an overgeneralization. These things are not universally true of all men, and there definitely are women out there who know and understand some or all of them. By and large, though, these are five areas where communication between the two most popular genders tends to break down on grounds of incomprehension.


It should be possible for someone to write about what "tends to" correlate with sex organs without being read as meaning that either gender is monolithic.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. smh
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 12:53 PM
Jul 2013


I was not aware that men are 'starved for compliments'. Then again, I am only 41 years old and a man, so what would I know?
 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
11. Speaking of stupidity...
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:08 PM
Jul 2013

the other day I was asked how many 4-legged animals I could name in 60 seconds. Know how many I got up to? Five. Five animals before I blanked. I guess we all have our moments.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
16. I'm not buying it, either.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:26 PM
Jul 2013

There's something fishy about that whole website, like it's designed and written by a round table of editrixes who needed a place to put their male-interest stories.

Yet it completely lacks red meat, cars, and a bucket of blood. It's a trap!

raccoon

(31,111 posts)
17. "4. We are sick of being success objects." Now this one, I can sort of understand.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:29 PM
Jul 2013

I had a young co-worker once. He was in a wheelchair. I'd never realized until I knew him how that
could be off-putting to many young women who figured he wouldn't be able to be a good provider.


LWolf

(46,179 posts)
18. #3
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:41 PM
Jul 2013

My 30-something son, who has a full tank of testosterone, calls me on a regular basis to:

1. Vent anger that he restrains with those that trigger it.

2. Talk about whatever is bothering him.

3. Ask for advice about choices he's considering in his life. He asks me because he knows I'll support whatever choice he makes, so listening to my thinking is safe, rather than ending up with any kind of pressure.

When his father died, he laid his head on my shoulder and sobbed, loudly and openly, at the memorial.

He has no problem with expressing any kind of emotion except that of fear, which he saves for me because I'm "safe." He expresses anger just fine; he vents the excess my way because he's socially aware, and again, I'm "safe."

I don't know what this says about the OP's point.



treestar

(82,383 posts)
23. It's funny how those articles almost always end up using "we"
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:47 PM
Jul 2013

Nothing like speaking for all other men. What I usually think is that it should be translated from "we" to "I wish it were accepted by you (plural) women that . . "



cbayer

(146,218 posts)
25. Raising sons taught me more about men than anything else in my life.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:51 PM
Jul 2013

That being said, I think the article is worth a read.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
27. Thanks for the responses everyone
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 07:49 PM
Jul 2013

I was curious what people thought about this, particularly whether any of it resonated or not with other men (besides the author).

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
29. This Just In; Men are victimized by this profoundly sick society as well.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 08:46 PM
Jul 2013

It has come down to two choices, stay stuck in this bizarre 19th century mindset and let it all fall apart, or start using that 1.5 Kg of specialized fat between our ears to adapt ourselves. We are, as far as we know, the only animal on earth with the capacity to choose. The last 6,000 years or so we have made one really bad choice after another. It's well past time we started using what we have to do better, or we can continue to let "somebody else" tell us what to do.

It's up to us, and that makes us unique.

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