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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:26 PM Jul 2013

The new meme: It's Obama's fault, don't blame Republican obstruction.

It's apparently time to rewrite history. I mean, it's not like a campaign just happened and this topic was thoroughly debated.

In September 2011, Republicans blocked the American Jobs Act and up to 2 million jobs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021294027

Krugman: Obstruct and Exploit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021310637

The Jobs Program That Wasn’t

Macroeconomic Advisers on the American Jobs Act, proposed a year ago:

We estimate that the American Jobs Act (AJA), if enacted, would give a significant boost to GDP and employment over the near-term.

-The various tax cuts aimed at raising workers’ after-tax income and encouraging hiring and investing, combined with the spending increases aimed at maintaining state & local employment and funding infrastructure modernization, would:
-Boost the level of GDP by 1.3% by the end of 2012, and by 0.2% by the end of 2013.
-Raise nonfarm establishment employment by 1.3 million by the end of 2012 and 0.8 million by the end of 2013, relative to the baseline

Of course, it that had happened, Obama would be more or less a lock for reelection. Instead, having blocked the president’s economic plans, Republicans can point to weak job growth and claim that the president’s policies have failed.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/08/the-jobs-program-that-wasnt/


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The new meme: It's Obama's fault, don't blame Republican obstruction. (Original Post) ProSense Jul 2013 OP
Why don't the republicans like me? I'm practically one of them. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #1
You nailed it: Republicans are ingrates. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #2
That wasn't the part that was nailed. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #9
Sure it was. Don't you believe Republicans are ingrates? ProSense Jul 2013 #11
Maybe instead of making this about Republicans NuclearDem Jul 2013 #19
So ProSense Jul 2013 #21
"attempts to absolve Republicans for their actions" AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #39
Again with the straw men. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #62
Again with the lame dismissal. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #93
You mean "calling their bluff"? jazzimov Jul 2013 #22
yours is a loony stance to take. the president's suggestions and proposals are repeatedly rejected Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #36
I'm not saying the Republicans aren't the problem. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #56
That's what I don't get JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #31
Exactly Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #55
Don't you believe Republicans are ingrates?Why else would they allegedly reject their own policies? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #68
Well, ProSense Jul 2013 #70
He wouldn't have to do much more that change that (D) to an (R) RC Jul 2013 #4
I think ProSense Jul 2013 #6
I seem to be spending most of my time Reccing your threads. n/t UTUSN Jul 2013 #3
That's new? nt treestar Jul 2013 #5
Not in the case of Republicans, but I think there is an attempt to validate the meme. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #7
yeah, I was thinking the same thing! deafskeptic Jul 2013 #34
That's not why liberals are criticizing Obama NuclearDem Jul 2013 #8
Are you saying ProSense Jul 2013 #10
No, what I'm saying is you erected a straw man to discredit Obama's critics from the left NuclearDem Jul 2013 #15
"we're too stupid to acknowledge Republican obstructionism" jazzimov Jul 2013 #24
Claiming it's a "straw man" doesn't make it so. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #25
You should know burnodo Jul 2013 #32
Claiming it's not a straw man doesn't make your argument any less of one. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #60
A straw man would mean that no one is making the claim, but the reality is that it's being made. ProSense Jul 2013 #71
No, it's a straw man because the people you accuse of making the claim aren't the ones making it. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #73
Nonsense. The OP acknowledges the meme exists. The OP does not single out a group. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #75
Well who the hell are you trying to address on a Democratic message board, conservative Republicans? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #85
Oh please. The meme exists and it's being used by non-Republicans. ProSense Jul 2013 #89
Exactly. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #53
K&R! nt sheshe2 Jul 2013 #12
I see that played out every day CatWoman Jul 2013 #13
Scar was particularly bad this morning. He wouldn't let anybody objecting to him get a word in CTyankee Jul 2013 #61
This brazen nonsense again? woo me with science Jul 2013 #14
This. A thousand times this. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #17
I thought lists filled with blue links were frowned upon. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #26
Apparently IOKIYANDU'er ... tridim Jul 2013 #63
LOL! n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #80
THERE are some blue links! burnodo Jul 2013 #33
You Blue Linked the Blue Linker! Hydra Jul 2013 #41
WooHoo! +1000 truebluegreen Jul 2013 #43
THE LIST. BLUE LINKS. OMG. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #52
No, a "wall of blue links" ProSense Jul 2013 #82
+1000000 forestpath Jul 2013 #72
You just rocked it more Aerows Jul 2013 #74
Look, ProSense Jul 2013 #79
Awesome response...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #100
Obama's only fault... kentuck Jul 2013 #16
^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^ And his unwillingness to CLEARLY Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #20
hard for him to do that watoos Jul 2013 #57
But even in his speeches, even when he is televised, Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #67
^^^^THIS^^^^ NuclearDem Jul 2013 #69
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #30
Also the unwillingness to bend the rules to go around the obstruction Doctor_J Jul 2013 #76
Nothing new about it, ProSense. People have been blaming Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #18
What day was it when he appointed Timmy Geithner and truebluegreen Jul 2013 #45
The day he honored Rick Warren zipplewrath Jul 2013 #49
Bingo! truebluegreen Jul 2013 #96
All capable people. Next... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #54
Capable of what? Aerows Jul 2013 #78
all contributors to the Great Recession. Next... Doctor_J Jul 2013 #83
Ah, hyperbole, much? ;) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #87
Oh Good Dog. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #95
Oh noes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #97
That's a common line from people who've never contributed an ounce to political achievement. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #23
Nor taken a class in civics. freshwest Jul 2013 #94
As opposed to the old meme -- "nothing, whatsoever, is Obama's fault or responsibility?" villager Jul 2013 #27
Of course it's not his fault! Hydra Jul 2013 #42
Well, yes it is his fault. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #28
He HAD everything AND EVERYBODY, he threw it away. Don't come blaming us. PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #40
threw it all away... kentuck Jul 2013 #50
Seriously, if we want to talk about BLAME Rex Jul 2013 #29
And privatize or Iliyah Jul 2013 #46
Yeah and do away with food stamps and a living wage Rex Jul 2013 #47
Why cannot we communicate that to the American people? kentuck Jul 2013 #51
IMO, because the POTUS won't make it crystal clear Rex Jul 2013 #59
Yeah, poor, poor President Obama, still trying to get obstructing Repugs to accept Chained CPI. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #35
The Mr nice guy, weak negotiating constant cave is Obama's fault on point Jul 2013 #37
Boehner controls the House. Can you justify blocking a jobs bill? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #44
Pelosi controlled the House when President Obama took office Aerows Jul 2013 #84
Um, ProSense Jul 2013 #86
That is a false dichotomy - both are to blame. n/t xocet Jul 2013 #38
No it isn't. ProSense Jul 2013 #48
Precisely. And thankfully most are mature enough to understand that. nt Union Scribe Jul 2013 #66
So one op of mine explaining why I personally tend to criticize dems more cali Jul 2013 #58
It's Obama's fault that it's Obama's fault. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #64
right.... it's NEVER Obama's fault LOL bowens43 Jul 2013 #65
It would be his fault ProSense Jul 2013 #77
A couple other memes - not that new Doctor_J Jul 2013 #81
And none of that has anything to do with Republican blocking the jobs bill. ProSense Jul 2013 #91
My chlidren and grandchldren will alway know mick063 Jul 2013 #88
Maybe, ProSense Jul 2013 #90
Yeah, bfd.. glenn greenwald says it.. it must be true.. Cha Jul 2013 #92
Straw man :-) n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #99
K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #98
DU rec...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #101

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
11. Sure it was. Don't you believe Republicans are ingrates?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:15 PM
Jul 2013

Why else would they allegedly reject their own policies?

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
19. Maybe instead of making this about Republicans
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:36 PM
Jul 2013

You consider making it about the Democratic president who's pushing and supporting the Republicans' own policies.

I'm going to have to start taking motion sickness pills for all this spin.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
21. So
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:55 PM
Jul 2013

"You consider making it about the Democratic president who's pushing and supporting the Republicans' own policies. "

...the reason they blocked the jobs bills is because he was "pushing and supporting the Republicans' own policies"?

"I'm going to have to start taking motion sickness pills for all this spin."

I need "sickness pills" for the attempts to absolve Republicans for their actions.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
39. "attempts to absolve Republicans for their actions"
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:36 PM
Jul 2013

Who is declaring that the Republicans are not at fault for their own programs? I've never seen that here.

More ridiculous spin

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
62. Again with the straw men.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:30 PM
Jul 2013

Republicans are going to block anything that comes from the administration, whether it's their own conservative ideas or actual progressive ideas. That doesn't absolve the president of not pushing for progressive ideas.

jazzimov

(1,456 posts)
22. You mean "calling their bluff"?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:56 PM
Jul 2013

Here's how it typically goes:

Obama makes a Progressive proposal
Republicans make a demand.
Obama makes a concession (calling their bluff).
Republicans back-pedal.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
36. yours is a loony stance to take. the president's suggestions and proposals are repeatedly rejected
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:30 PM
Jul 2013

by a GOP led house. What part of that are you not getting?

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
56. I'm not saying the Republicans aren't the problem.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:23 PM
Jul 2013

But the problem from the administration is that when a proposal is made, there's not a whole lot of follow-through. Administration makes a proposal, the Republicans reject it, and then instead of fighting like hell for it, the administration just starts offering concessions.

That's how it was the health care debate. The administration floated the idea of single payer and the public option, but when there was even a shred of resistance to the idea, they went straight for the individual mandate. The problem is immediate gratification in politics; if you don't get what you want immediately, it's presumed to be a defeat. The one thing the Republicans do right is that they don't take that as the final word; even if they lose a political fight miserably, they at the very least fought tooth and nail for their policies. What that ends up doing is planting their ideas' seeds with the population at large, and ten to fifteen years down the line, they end up reaping the benefits when popular attitudes have shifted.

When you immediately backtrack from a position rather than fighting for it, the population at large essentially ends up forgetting about the idea in the first place. By the administration's logic, Occupy was an abject failure because we didn't immediately see a rise in taxes on the 1% or better treatment for workers, the gay rights movement in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s failed because the states didn't start legalizing equality until 2004, and the movement to end criminalization of marijuana failed because it's not yet fully legal in every state.

Even if you lose a fight, as long as you fought like hell for the idea, you're going to end up seeing it come to fruition later down the line, simply because you made a case for it and started convincing people it was the right idea. The administration has done that on some issues, but not nearly the majority of them.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
31. That's what I don't get
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:26 PM
Jul 2013

If he's such a high holy IndieTeaPublican - why do they seem to just plug their ears and say "NO!" to every single thing he does?

That makes just absolutely NO sense!

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,415 posts)
55. Exactly
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:22 PM
Jul 2013

and remember how Republicans tout Bill Clinton as a model of bipartisanship and say that President Obama should be more like Clinton- except for the fact that he is in terms of bipartisanship. Wonder what would have happened if Clinton had endorsed the Obamacare-like proposal put forth by the Republicans back then????

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
68. Don't you believe Republicans are ingrates?Why else would they allegedly reject their own policies?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:47 PM
Jul 2013

So you're saying here that Obama is pushing Republican policies, but the Republicans are such ingrates that they reject their own policies?

That's how I see it too. Glad we can finally agree.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
70. Well,
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:50 PM
Jul 2013

"Don't you believe Republicans are ingrates?Why else would they allegedly reject their own policies?

So you're saying here that Obama is pushing Republican policies, but the Republicans are such ingrates that they reject their own policies?"

...allegedly.



 

RC

(25,592 posts)
4. He wouldn't have to do much more that change that (D) to an (R)
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:49 PM
Jul 2013

And carry on with his policies. Who'd notice?

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
8. That's not why liberals are criticizing Obama
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:10 PM
Jul 2013

Any half-decent progressive with a brain knows most progressive policies that reach Congress will be obstructed by Republicans. In fact, just about any policy that reaches Congress will be obstructed by Republicans.

Liberals are angry not because progressive policies are being stalled out in Congress, but because Obama isn't even pushing for them in the first place. Single payer and the public option were surrendered without a fight, earned benefits have been put on the table for cutting, Wall Street bankers and Third Wayers are being absorbed into the administration, and Keystone still hasn't been outright rejected.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
10. Are you saying
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:12 PM
Jul 2013

"Any half-decent progressive with a brain knows most progressive policies that reach Congress will be obstructed by Republicans."

...that anyone pushing the meme isn't a "half-decent progressive with a brain"?

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
15. No, what I'm saying is you erected a straw man to discredit Obama's critics from the left
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:33 PM
Jul 2013

By claiming we're too stupid to acknowledge Republican obstructionism as the cause for gridlock and instead are just attacking Obama. That's not the case. What critics from the left are angry about is that there are very few progressive policies being pushed by the administration for the Republicans to block in Congress.

Not blaming him for the results, blaming him for not trying in the first place.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
60. Claiming it's not a straw man doesn't make your argument any less of one.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:28 PM
Jul 2013

A: "Liberals are criticizing Obama for not pushing harder for progressive ideas."

B: "Liberals are criticizing Obama for the GOP being obstructionist! Why are you trying to absolve Republicans of all responsibility?"

Presenting such a misrepresentation of an opponent's position is the textbook formula for the straw man fallacy. You end up setting up a weak position only remotely similar to the actual argument and then proceed to tear it down, as if you just completely destroyed the original argument.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
71. A straw man would mean that no one is making the claim, but the reality is that it's being made.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:51 PM
Jul 2013

Republicans make it, and so have some non-Republicans.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
73. No, it's a straw man because the people you accuse of making the claim aren't the ones making it.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:55 PM
Jul 2013

Obama's critics from the left aren't making the argument that he's to blame for Republican obstructionism, but you're claiming that they are.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
85. Well who the hell are you trying to address on a Democratic message board, conservative Republicans?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:18 PM
Jul 2013

The only people you could be logically aiming this toward are progressive critics of the Obama administration.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
89. Oh please. The meme exists and it's being used by non-Republicans.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:38 PM
Jul 2013

What about that don't you understand?

Your insistence that no one is using it and your characterization of anyone who does show just how ridiculous it is.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
61. Scar was particularly bad this morning. He wouldn't let anybody objecting to him get a word in
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:29 PM
Jul 2013

edgewise. Rattner and even Vandehei tried and Scar just talked over them and kept on talking. Nicolle Wallace was particularly annoying today, too. She has a really grating voice and needs to get voice modulation therapy. I wish that Rattner and Vandehei would mutiny and just not let Scar do it.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
14. This brazen nonsense again?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:31 PM
Jul 2013

Simple reality exposes your absurd Orwellian mantra. The actual record doesn't show a President trying to enact an agenda for the people and being obstructed. It shows him working aggressively and proactively, over and over again, to install corporatists into his administration and to enact the predatory agenda of the corporate one percent.

Corporate and bank-cozy appointments, over and over again, including major appointments like:
A serial defender of corrupt bankers for the SEC; the architect of "Kill Lists" and supporter of torture, drone wars, and telecom immunity for the CIA; and a Monsanto VP who has lied and been involved in extremely disturbing claims regarding food safety for the FDA. An Attorney General who has not prosecuted a single large bank but wages war against medical marijuana users and *for* strip searches and warrantless surveillance of Americans. Tim Geithner. Penny Pritzker. And now outrageous endorsements for Larry Summers and Ray Kelly.
Bailouts and settlements for corrupt banks (with personal pressure from Obama to attorneys general to approve them),
Refusal by Obama's DOJ to prosecute even huge, egregious examples of bank fraud (i.e, HSBC)
signing NDAA to allow indefinite detention,
"Kill lists" and claiming of the right to assassinate even American citizens without trial
Expansion of wars into several new countries
A renewed public advocacy for the concept of preemptive war
Drone campaigns in multiple countries with whom we are not at war
Proliferation of military drones in our skies
Federal targeting of Occupy for surveillance and militarized response to peaceful protesters
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for warrantless surveillance
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for strip searches for any arrestee
Supporting and signing Internet-censoring and privacy-violating measures like ACTA
Support for corporate groping and naked scanning of Americans seeking to travel
A new, massive spy center for warrantless access to Americans' phone calls, emails, and internet use
Support of legal immunity for telecoms/warrantless wiretapping
Support of legislation to legalize massive surveillance of Americans
Militarized police departments, through federal grants
Marijuana users and medical marijuana clinics under assault,
Skyrocketing of the budget for prisons.
Failing to veto a bipartisan vote in Congress to gut more financial regulations.
Passionate speeches and press conferences promoting austerity for Americans
Bush tax cuts extended for billionaires, them much of it made permanent
Support for the payroll tax holiday, tying SS to the general fund
Support for the vicious chained CPI cut in Social Security and benefits for the disabled
Social security, Medicare, and Medicaid offered up as bargaining chips in budget negotiations, with No mention of cutting corporate welfare or the military budget
Advocacy of multiple new free trade agreements, including The Trans-Pacific, otherwise known as "NAFTA on steroids."
Support of drilling, pipelines, and selling off portions of the Gulf of Mexico
Corporate education policy including high stakes corporate testing and closures of public schools
Entrenchment of exorbitant for-profit health insurance companies into healthcare, through mandate
Legal assault on union rights of hundreds of thousands of federal workers
New policies of targeting children and first responders in drone campaigns,
New policies of awarding medals for remote drone attacks,
Appointment of private prison executive to head the US Marshal's office
Massive escalation of federal contracts for private prisons under US Marshall's Office



Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654954

Obama seeks longer PATRIOT Act extension than Republicans (December 2013)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x380450

When it comes to civil liberties, apparently Democrats are just as bad as Republicans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022101960

NSA's Massive New Spy Center to Track Your Emails, Internet Activity, and Phone Calls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101620852

Obama Quietly Signs Abusive Spy Bill He Once Vowed to Eliminate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022104861

Obama repeals Magna Carta, asserting powers our forefathers denied to Kings
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101655620

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654919

Obama no better than Bush when it comes to security vs. civil liberties.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022355307

Obama Admin Seeks Permission TO LIE In Response To FOI Requests - Even To The COURTS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2185303

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101748688

Obama administration complicit with private prison industry: President Obama's IncarcerNation
http://www.nationofchange.org/president-obama-s-incarcernation-1335274655

Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022084702

NDAA, signed by Obama, is a direct attack against legitimate protest and dissent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022064803

NSA Whistleblower: All Americans under constant surveillance, all info. stored, no matter the post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002193487; http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021935289

Bipartisan Congress Disgracefully Approves the FISA Warrantless Spying Bill for Five More Years
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022087323

While Public & Media Focused on 2nd Amendment, 5th Amendment Quietly Dismantled
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022390581

How the Obama administration justifies extrajudicial killing of Americans,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022318187

Judge Says Under Law Executive Branch Can Commit Acts That Sure Do Seem Unconstitutional
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022122464

Obama Justice Dept. says wiretap lawsuit should not proceed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014337039

NDAA Lawsuit- Hedges v. Obama, The Last Thin Line of Defense
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022357078

Federal authorities step up efforts to license surveillance drones for law enforcement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022383596

Big Banks and FBI worked together vs Occupy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022095056]

FBI Investigated 'Occupy' As Possible 'Domestic Terrorism' Threat, Internal Documents Show
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022061578

FBI Documents Reveal Secret Nationwide Occupy Monitoring (Updated the OP)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022057064

Public Buses Across Country Quietly Adding Microphones to Record Passenger Conversations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021965291

Street artist behind satirical NYPD 'Drone' posters arrested
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021920967

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002521527

Obama Administration Fights to Allow Warrantless GPS Tracking
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1074474

Anonymous to FBI: hey, dudes, maybe you could take a break from...investigating activists....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022145621

Half a billion dollars for drones to spy on Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021876414

From Bradley Manning to Aaron Swartz -- The Government's Inhumane Persecution of Brave Truth Tellers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276941

The sight of Army helicopters and the sound of gunfire...on Houston's south side
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276742

Kiriakou and Stuxnet: the danger of the still-escalating Obama whistleblower war
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275570

Can the DEA Hide a Surveillance Camera on Your Property?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022237059

Social Media and the Stasi
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021888029

Homeland Security Wants to More Than Double Its Predator Drone Fleet Inside the US, Despite Safety/Privacy Invasions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014312823

CIA Behind Bizarre Censorship Incident At Alleged 9/11 Plotters’ Gitmo Trial
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022280285

“I Am Wearing My Conviction As A Badge Of Honor.”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275128

Meet the Contractors Turning America's Police Into a Paramilitary Force
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12525281

How Secrecy Corrodes Democracy
http://election.democraticunderground.com/101655009

Obama Quietly Issues Ruling Saying It's Legal For The FBI To Break The Law
http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7545687

US Pulls Plug on Iran Cable News (Press TV)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014394770

DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022339091


The record shows aggressive, proactive advocacy of a corporate agenda.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023330641#post90








tridim

(45,358 posts)
63. Apparently IOKIYANDU'er ...
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:39 PM
Jul 2013

Only long time progressive DU'ers like ProSense are criticized for posting supporting links.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
41. You Blue Linked the Blue Linker!
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:50 PM
Jul 2013

I think she's mad that people are beginning to notice the "obstructionism" isn't why progress isn't being made- the Admin is getting everything they want...but it's not for us.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
79. Look,
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:09 PM
Jul 2013

"blue links"

President Obama is one of the best Presidents this country has seen, and he operates like all President's in the scope of a vast bureaucracy, and in this current climate, massive obstruction.

I can understand holding the President accountable and pushing for change. I don't understand the notion of focusing on the negatives to justify withdrawing support from a President who has done a lot of good and just recently won re-election by a decisive margin.

The fact that the President is advancing some policies that someone disagrees with, doesn't mean he has changed. For example, most people agree that chained-CPI is not good. Not everyone agrees with the claim about why it was offered. It still hasn't passed. It likely will not. Why wouldn't that outcome be seen as a success in getting a bad policy rejected? The Guantanamo policy has faced obstruction from within the Democratic Party. Not everything is black and white, and trying to get things done counts.

For every disappointing claim, I can cite extremely positive achievements to counter the negatives. Some the achievements are not extremely positive, they may not go far enough, but they are still steps in the right direction.

The Stimulus.

Obama’s stimulus package aids people with disabilities

By Mike Ervin,

<...>

The first is a one-time additional payment of $250 to people who receive Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and other selected Social Security benefits. Many SSI recipients live on less than $10,000 a year, and so this additional income will make a significant difference.

Second, the stimulus package also allocates $500 million to help the Social Security Administration reduce the processing time for claims and appeals decisions. During the Bush years, the number of people awaiting final determination on their Social Security disability claims more than doubled to 755,000. Many were waiting two years or more for determination, without income. Obama’s allocation should help end this disgrace.

<...>

More creatively, Obama provided $140 million to support centers for independent living. These nonresidential centers are run by people with disabilities and are focal points for services and advocacy. There are hundreds of these centers throughout the United States, providing thousands of good jobs for people with disabilities and others in their communities.

The stimulus package will also invest in the future by providing $540 million for vocational rehabilitation programs, which assist people with disabilities in obtaining higher education and jobs.

- more -

http://progressive.org/mag/mpervin030509.html

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act included a number of provisions of particular concern to people with disabilities.

•The Act included $500 million to help the Social Security Administration reduce its backlog in processing disability applications;
•The Act supplied $12.2 billion in funding to the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA);
•The Act also provided $87 billion to states to bolster their Medicaid programs during the downturn; and,
•The Act provided over $500 million in funding for vocational rehabilitation services to help with job training, education and placement.
•The Act provided over $140 million in funding for independent living centers across the country.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/disabilities


Before the health care law, the President signed the expansion of CHIP.

Obama Signs Children’s Health Insurance Bill

By ROBERT PEAR

WASHINGTON — The House gave final approval on Wednesday to a bill extending health insurance to millions of low-income children, and President Obama signed it this afternoon, in the first of what he hopes will be many steps to guarantee coverage for all Americans.

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The roll call ended a two-year odyssey for the child health legislation, which President George W. Bush adamantly opposed on the ground it would lead to “government-run health care for every American.”

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In a major change, the bill allows states to cover certain legal immigrants — namely, children under 21 and pregnant women — as well as citizens.

Until now, legal immigrants have generally been barred from Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program for five years after they enter the United States. States will now be able to cover those immigrants without the five-year delay.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/us/politics/05health.html


The health care law.



Who Benefits from the ACA Medicaid Expansion?

A key element of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) is the expansion of Medicaid to nearly all individuals with incomes up to 138 percent of the federal poverty level (FPL) ($15,415 for an individual; $26,344 for a family of three in 2012) in 2014. Medicaid currently provides health coverage for over 60 million individuals, including 1 in 4 children, but low parent eligibility levels and restrictions in eligibility for other adults mean that many low income individuals remain uninsured. The ACA expands coverage by setting a national Medicaid eligibility floor for nearly all groups. By 2016, Medicaid, along with the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), will cover an additional 17 million individuals, mostly low-income adults, leading to a significant reduction in the number of uninsured people.

Medicaid does not cover many low-income adults today. To qualify for Medicaid prior to health reform, individuals had to meet financial eligibility criteria and belong to one of the following specific groups: children, parents, pregnant women, people with severe disability, and seniors. Non-disabled adults without dependent children were generally excluded from Medicaid unless the state obtained a waiver to cover them. The federal government sets minimum eligibility levels for each category, which are up to 133% FPL for pregnant women and children but are much lower for parents (under 50% FPL in most states). States have the option to expand coverage to higher incomes, but Medicaid eligibility levels for adults remain very limited (Figure 1). Seventeen states limit Medicaid coverage to parents earning less than 50 percent of poverty ($9,545 for a family of 3), and only eight states provide full Medicaid coverage to other low-income adults. State-by state Medicaid eligibility levels for parents and other adults are available here.



The ACA expands Medicaid to a national floor of 138% of poverty ($15,415 for an individual; $26,344 for a family of three). The threshold is 133% FPL, but 5% of an individual’s income is disregarded, effectively raising the limit to 138% FPL. The expansion of coverage will make many low-income adults newly eligible for Medicaid and reduce the current variation in eligibility levels across states. To preserve the current base of coverage, states must also maintain minimum eligibility levels in place as of March 2010, when the law was signed. This requirement remains in effect until 2014 for adults and 2019 for children. Under the ACA, states also have the option to expand coverage early to low-income adults prior to 2014. To date, eight states (CA, CT, CO, DC, MN, MO, NJ and WA) have taken up this option to extend Medicaid to adults. Nearly all of these states previously provided solely state- or county-funded coverage to some low-income adults. By moving these adults to Medicaid and obtaining federal financing, these states were able to maintain and, in some cases, expand coverage. Together these early expansions covered over half a million adults as of April 2012.

Eligibility requirements for the elderly and persons with disabilities do not change under reform although some individuals with disabilities may become newly eligible under the adult expansion. Lawfully residing immigrants will be eligible for the Medicaid expansion, although many will continue to be subject to a five-year waiting period before they may enroll in coverage. States have the option to eliminate this five-year waiting period for children and pregnant women but not for other adults. Undocumented immigrants will remain ineligible for Medicaid.

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http://www.kff.org/medicaid/quicktake_aca_medicaid.cfm


Arizona Gov. Brewer Opts For ‘Obamacare’ Medicaid Expansion

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) on Monday said the state will join the Medicaid expansion under the new federal health care law, the Associated Press reported.

Her announcement came as a surprise to many observers, and it distinguishes Brewer from other Republican governors. The Supreme Court's ruling last summer on the Affordable Care Act, widely known as "Obamacare," made the Medicaid expansion under the federal law optional and state leaders such as Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R), Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) and South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (R) have already opted out.

But in her State of the State address on Monday, Brewer rejected the notion that a rejection of the expansion would reduce the federal government's deficit.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/arizona-gov-brewer-opts-for-obamacare-medicaid-expansion


HHS Ruling Helps Workers But Spells Trouble for Employer Mandate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023207327



LGBT rights.



http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/05/09/481147/obama-marriage-2/

Pres.Obama urging state lawmakers to legalize gay marriage in Illinois
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2012/12/obama_urging_state_lawmakers_t.html


The End of the Iraq War: A Timeline



http://www.whitehouse.gov/iraq


Osama bin Laden brought to justice




Rescuing the auto industry.



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Before the domestic auto rescue, President Obama made$5 billion in Federal loans available to small auto parts suppliers:

The Treasury Department announced a $5 billion program to aid struggling auto-parts suppliers, raising the likelihood the government will extend more aid to General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC.

What a lot of folks, including politicians, don't seem to realize is that GM and Chrysler merely ASSEMBLE cars. They don't make the parts.

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Obama rescued the Domestic Auto Industry.

But BEFORE that. BEFORE that. BEFORE he sent the domestic auto industry into structuered bankruptcy, he made sure the LITTLE GUYS....the SMALL manufacturing companies that make SPRINGS or BOLTS or LATCHES or TINY WIDGETS were able to stay afloat so that when GM got back on its feet again it didn't have to look to CHINA or MEXICO to make those parts because the previous suppliers had gone belly up.

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/29/1069618/-What-Happened-Before-the-Rescue-of-the-Domestic-Auto-Industry


Report: Wall Street’s Opposition to Dodd-Frank Reforms Echoes Its Resistance to New Deal Financial Safeguards

Bedrock Consumer Protections Once Were Flogged as ‘Exceedingly Dangerous,’ ‘Monstrous Systems’ That Would ‘Cripple’ the Economy

WASHINGTON, D.C. – As the nation approaches the first anniversary of the Dodd-Frank financial reform law, opponents are claiming that the new measure is extraordinarily damaging, especially to Main Street. But industry’s alarmist rhetoric bears striking resemblance to the last time it faced sweeping new safeguards: during the New Deal reforms. The parallels between the language used both then and now are detailed in a report released today by Public Citizen and the Cry Wolf Project.

In the decades since the Great Depression, Americans acknowledged the necessity of having safeguards in place to prevent another crash of the financial markets, including the creation of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) and the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), and laws requiring public companies to accurately disclose their financial affairs. Although these are now seen as bedrock protections when they were first introduced, Wall Street cried foul, the new report, “Industry Repeats Itself: The Financial Reform Fight,” found.

“The business community’s wildly inaccurate forecasts about the New Deal reforms devalue the credibility of the ominous predictions they are making today,” said Taylor Lincoln, research director of Public Citizen’s Congress Watch division and author of the report. “If history comes close to repeating itself, industry is going to look very silly for its hand-wringing over Dodd-Frank when people look back.”

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In fact, the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act is designed to prevent another Wall Street crash, which really made it tough on everyone by causing massive job loss and severely hurting corner butchers and bakers, as well as retirees, families with mortgages and others. The Dodd-Frank law increases transparency (particularly in derivatives markets); creates a new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau to ensure that consumers receive straightforward information about financial products and to police abusive practices; improves corporate governance; increases capital requirements for banks; deters particularly large financial institutions from providing incentives for employees to take undue risks; and gives the government the ability to take failed investment institutions into receivership, similar to the FDIC’s authority regarding commercial banks. Much of it has yet to be implemented.

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http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2011/07/12-0


Lisa Jackson to Leave EPA: Earthjustice Statement

Statement from Earthjustice Vice President of Litigation Patti Goldman:

“America owes Lisa Jackson a debt of gratitude for her work to protect the public's health from polluters and their allies in Congress. For her efforts to clean up pollution and better protect the environment and public health, she faced a steady barrage from members of Congress and the industrial polluters who back them. Her detractors are the same people who told us taking lead out of gasoline in the 1970's would break the economy and that taking acid out of acid rain in the 1990's would ruin the country. In both cases, the environment and economy were strengthened and this is the approach Lisa Jackson took. There is a lot of unfinished business started by Jackson that the next EPA director will need to attend to. Whoever it is, they'll need the support of the President and they'll need to be ready for a non-stop barrage of attacks from the chemical, industrial and fossil fuel industries and their allies in Congress.

“After 17 years of Earthjustice litigation it was Lisa Jackson who finally regulated mercury and other toxic pollutants coming from power plants. After a decade of litigation from Earthjustice and others, it was Lisa Jackson who supported and implemented regulations aimed at curbing greenhouse gases. After more than a decade of Earthjustice litigation it was Lisa Jackson who finally implemented the first regulation of mercury from cement kilns all over the country.”

http://earthjustice.org/news/press/2012/lisa-jackson-to-leave-epa-earthjustice-statement


Justice Is Served

By Laura W. Murphy

June 2011 marks the 40th anniversary of President Richard Nixon's declaration of a "war on drugs" — a war that has cost roughly a trillion dollars, has produced little to no effect on the supply of or demand for drugs in the United States, and has contributed to making America the world's largest incarcerator. Throughout the month, check back daily for posts about the drug war, its victims and what needs to be done to restore fairness and create effective policy.

Today is an exciting day for the ACLU and criminal justice advocates around the country. Following much thought and careful deliberation, the United States Sentencing Commission took another step toward creating fairness in federal sentencing by retroactively applying the new Fair Sentencing Act (FSA) guidelines to individuals sentenced before the law was enacted. This decision will help ensure that over 12,000 people — 85 percent of whom are African-Americans — will have the opportunity to have their sentences for crack cocaine offenses reviewed by a federal judge and possibly reduced.

This decision is particularly important to me because, as director of the ACLU's Washington Legislative Office, I have advocated for Congress and the sentencing commission to reform federal crack cocaine laws for almost 20 years. In 1993, the ACLU lead the coalition that convened the first national symposium highlighting the crack cocaine disparity entitled "The 100 to 1 Ratio: Racial Bias in Cocaine Laws." Now, 25 years after the first crack cocaine law was enacted in the 1986 Anti-Drug Abuse Act, the sentencing commission has taken another step toward ending the racial and sentencing disparities that continue to exist in our criminal justice system.

By voting in favor of retroactivity, I am pleased that the commission chose justice over demagoguery and concluded that retroactivity was necessary to ensuring that the goals of the FSA were fully realized. It is important to remember that even with today's commission vote not every crack cocaine offender will have his or her sentence reduced. Judges are still required to determine whether a person qualifies for a retroactive reduction so, contrary to what some have said, this is not a "get out of jail free card."

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http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/justice-served

Chance at Freedom: Retroactive Crack Sentence Reductions For Up to 12,000 May Begin Today
http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/chance-freedom-retroactive-crack-sentence-reductions-12000-may-begin-today


Here's a great clip from December 2010: Rachel Maddow on securing loose nuclear materials
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/vp/40859004

The START Treaty.

MADDOW: If the Senate ratifies the START Treaty tomorrow, it caps an astonishing period in American political history.

For the last two years, Democrats have held the White House as well as big majorities in both the House and the Senate. Their record of achievement in that time, even in the face of unified, at times totally random Republican opposition, Republican opposition even do things Republicans had proposed in the first place, unified Republican opposition even to their own ideas—their track record even in the face of that is historic.

Whether you agree or disagree with what Democrats have done in the first two years of President Obama‘s presidency, they have freaking done it. The Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act for women, expanding children‘s health insurance, new hate crimes legislation that they said could not be done, tobacco regulation, credit card reform, student loan reform, the stimulus - which in addition to helping pull this country back from the brink of a Great Depression was also the largest tax cut ever, the largest investment in clean energy ever, the single largest investment in education in our country ever.

There was also a little thing you may have heard of called health reform. Also, Wall Street reform, the improvements to the new G.I. bill, the most expansive food safety bill since the 1930s.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40898769/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/


Trade:

In case you missed it: Good moves by the Obama administration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002540300

Transparency, Declassification, and the Obama Presidency

By Lee White

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Steven Aftergood (Director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists and the publisher of the blog Secrecy News)

In retrospect, the Administration erred in making its early public statements promising unprecedented transparency. The President raised expectations so high that the ensuing disappointment was inevitable. The smarter move would have been to demonstrate openness in actions, not in words, and to exceed public expectations.

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Thomas Blanton (Director of the National Security Archive at George Washington University in Washington, D.C.)

There are obviously some differences of opinion on this subject. My own is that too often we conflate "the Obama administration" with actions of specific agencies or specific bureaucrats, when in fact the policy decision at the top has been pretty good, just stymied by ongoing bureaucratic obfuscation in the middle and the bottom. Or even worse, continuity by federal career employees of Bush policies that the White House has not succeeded in changing.

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Anne Weismann (Chief Counsel for Citizen's for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington-CREW)

In my assessment, the administration's record on transparency is mixed. Without question, President Obama put strong, pro-transparency policies in place that really set the benchmark for a more open government. The problem has been in implementing those policies at the agency level. Agencies have been encouraged to make proactive disclosures, but they have shown little regard for the quality of and public interest in the information they are posting. And the administration has not provided them much guidance on this front.

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Patrice McDermott (Executive Director of OpenTheGovernment.Org)

I think it is a very mixed bag. There are strong indications that the initiatives and efforts of the Obama Administration have begun to institutionalize changes in the attitudes of components of the Executive Branch, mostly in the area of domestic right-to-know. While the effectiveness of FOIA as a disclosure and accountability tool for the public continues to lag behind the promises the President and the Attorney General made, much more attention is being directed by agencies to improving the process, and agencies are putting more information out proactively (without requiring or waiting for a FOIA request)—and not just the usual stuff they want you to know. The greatest frustration on the domestic policy front has been the ongoing changes in policy personnel in the White House, creating problems of follow-through and consistency.

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http://www.historians.org/Perspectives/issues/2012/1209/Transparency-Declassification-and-Obama-Presidency.cfm

Obama offers GOP an ambitious, progressive debt-reduction plan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021905787

Obama First POTUS in History to Publicly Support Divestment Movement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023144219

New State Dept. Envoy Begins Work Of Closing Guantánamo

The new State Department special envoy for closing the United States military's detention center located at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba began the effort to shut down the polarizing prison camp, McClatchy reported Thursday.

Clifford Sloan, a former publisher of Slate magazine and a Washington attorney who’s worked in all three branches of government, embarked on a one-day tour of the prison facility, where he had discussions with military and medical personnel.

In a major national security speech in May, President Barack Obama vowed to close Gitmo, which he said has "become a symbol around the world for an America that flouts the rule of law." Obama has drawn criticism, mostly from the left, for failing to close the detention center during his first term in office, despite his 2008 campaign pledge to do so.

“President Obama has been very clear as he laid out the goal,and the objective is to close Guantánamo," Sloan told McClatchy. “Our marching orders are clear.”

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/new-state-dept-envoy-begins-work-of-closing

ACLU Comment on Appointment of Envoy to Close Guantánamo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023036083





kentuck

(111,104 posts)
16. Obama's only fault...
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:34 PM
Jul 2013

..is his failure to communicate to the American people that the problem is Republican obstruction.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
20. ^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^ And his unwillingness to CLEARLY
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:42 PM
Jul 2013

ARTICULATE his policies that help average Americans; AND his unwillingness to brag about all of his accomplishments. So, people wrongly believe that he has done nothing, not because it's true, but because he is NOT a forceful advocate for his own policies and for his own accomplishments. It drives me nuts!!

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
67. But even in his speeches, even when he is televised,
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:46 PM
Jul 2013

he could be a bit more forceful, a bit more passionate in his delivery. I know that the corporate media doesn't cover his addresses fully, but when when they do (i.e., even when C-Span does), he often sounded winded or defeated. I'd like for him to get a bit more passionate and forceful in how he explains things and more enthusiastic about it. Make us feel confident that his decisions have been the right ones.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
69. ^^^^THIS^^^^
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:48 PM
Jul 2013

That's really the whole point I'm trying to make. During the campaign, the passion he had for the issues was contagious. If we had that same level of passion more, that would be exactly what we're looking for.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
76. Also the unwillingness to bend the rules to go around the obstruction
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:05 PM
Jul 2013

He should have had Reid go nuclear early in the first term. he should also use signing statements when the Repukes won't pass laws the constitutional way.

And he should stop talking like a Repuke on TPP, KeystoneXL, school privatization, and torture

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
45. What day was it when he appointed Timmy Geithner and
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:01 PM
Jul 2013

Larry Summers and Rahm Emanuel? And Eric Holder? Et alia?

Just askin'.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
96. Bingo!
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 08:37 PM
Jul 2013

I guess I blotted that obscenity from my memory. No doubt still hoping against hope at the time.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
78. Capable of what?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:08 PM
Jul 2013

Larry Summers, who squandered billions while in charge of Harvard, Timothy Geithner, who couldn't even do his own taxes, and Rick Warren who is a flaming homophobe? Yeah, capable of something, alright, but none of it good.

And Arne Duncan that wants to dismantle public education in favor of private charters, Rahm Emanuel ... well, that just stands alone.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
42. Of course it's not his fault!
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:52 PM
Jul 2013

Of course, it's totally his to claim if anything happens that might benefit his image, even if he fought it tooth and nail(DOMA Repeal).

 

Safetykitten

(5,162 posts)
28. Well, yes it is his fault.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:18 PM
Jul 2013

First, he has been the President for going on five years. Not our problem he wanted to be best buds with people that hate him.

Second, oddly enough, being the leader of the free world has no perks in his terms, as he is powerless, and completely the mercy of "insert name and issue here".

We had the last President get us in wars on a FUCKING LIE. But President Obama can't get the basics done.

He is now on the verge of becoming an empty suit President. Nobody cares anymore as he is all over the map. Larry for the Fed, some other corporate scumbag for another post.

He had it all and threw it all away. He had everyone behind him, and begging for him to do just a fraction of the right thing. Apologists and crying jag toadies like you are not helping him.

Now we face the republicans and what do we have to show for it? the HC shitfest? that's about it. When you have nothing to offer people that have been through the grinder for the last five years, then they will go somewhere else...and this is what they will do in the elections coming up. Do you think we would be in this fucking mess if we had HC go into effect within three months? Or that the housing fuckup would not have torn so many people from their homes? How about unemployment? We are still in a freaking mess.

He HAD everything AND EVERYBODY, he threw it away. Don't come blaming us.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
40. He HAD everything AND EVERYBODY, he threw it away. Don't come blaming us.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:48 PM
Jul 2013

GWB
I was on GWB's side (even though I voted Gore) the day of the blow-horn on the rubble.

Patriot act - WAR based on lies - Gitmo - Rendition - Death and more death - on an on. While at the same time selling out the country to energy and banking interests.

He HAD everything AND EVERYBODY, he threw it away. He could have been a beacon for a peaceful future. He was a beacon of death and predatory capitalism.

Obama

He could have been a beacon for change. Change was in fact his platform. He has not done much besides continue the legacy of the former president. More war, Has not closed gitmo, has not addressed the ponzi scheme of currently practiced US capitalism. Has not done so many of the things liberals desperately were looking for.

He HAD everything AND EVERYBODY, he threw it away.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
29. Seriously, if we want to talk about BLAME
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:18 PM
Jul 2013

I would have to say Congress! They simply refuse to run the country and would rather sequester us into a slow death, then actually govern.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
46. And privatize or
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:05 PM
Jul 2013

destroy SSI, Medicare/Medicaid and majority of the governmental programs such as welfare, snap et al.,

One party system dba corporations, but hey, maybe the persons here complaining and bashing will rather have that America.

Not me nor Pres O, we want America to remain a democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks ProSense!!!!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
47. Yeah and do away with food stamps and a living wage
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:07 PM
Jul 2013

and privatize the school system etc.. I think most of the complaining is legitimate and as effective as any armchair keyboard can be.

Obama will be alright. This is the fault of Congress.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
51. Why cannot we communicate that to the American people?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:17 PM
Jul 2013

Because they are divided into Democrats and Republicans?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
59. IMO, because the POTUS won't make it crystal clear
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:26 PM
Jul 2013

and the M$M will never deliver that kind of message to the people. I think it is the M$M more than anything else that keeps us divided on the issues. Which is why Congress can be so dam lazy imo.

No one expects them to produce anything, (gun bill -shot down, NSA spying - gee we almost did something about it, food stamps -who needs them?) so they don't. Nobody expect things to change, so the POTUS doesn't spend weeks and months trying to elaborate how dysfunctional the GOP is or how badly they damage the country. The results are always blamed on the liberals by some wall street suit still pimping trickle down economics.

I know you've heard it before, the Dems don't fight back or get dirty. We just stand and take it and so far that has netted us ZERO progress in Congress.

on point

(2,506 posts)
37. The Mr nice guy, weak negotiating constant cave is Obama's fault
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:32 PM
Jul 2013

He had the pukes off balance and hard pressed when he won his first term. Instead of pressing his advantage he walked 9/10ths of the way to their side to get a deal. Now that he seems to have finally figured out there is no dealing with, it is too late. He has lost momentum and caved on too many things already.

So yeah the house can certainly deserve blame, Obama is totally at fault for not knowing this up front and playing his position completely wrong. Many on this site warned of just such an outcome after the election as his strategies appeared but they were dismissed. Is it now time to admit they were right and stop trying this stupid DLC third way nonsense?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
84. Pelosi controlled the House when President Obama took office
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:16 PM
Jul 2013

Democrats controlled the House and the Senate for 2 years, yet he couldn't get shit done. It's no surprise that he still can't get shit done unless it involves continuing the Bush policies. I don't think anyone with a brain could deny that, but I'll stand by and wait for justifications because they always come.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
86. Um,
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:32 PM
Jul 2013

"Democrats controlled the House and the Senate for 2 years, yet he couldn't get shit done."

...what?

The end of the 'do-something' Congress
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/11/the_end_of_the_do-something_co.html

No Congress Since '60s Makes as Much Law as 111th Affecting Most Americans
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-22/no-congress-since-1960s-makes-most-laws-for-americans-as-111th.html

After Bruising Session, Congress Braces for More
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/23/us/politics/23cong.html?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
48. No it isn't.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:10 PM
Jul 2013

"That is a false dichotomy - both are to blame. "

The House and Republicans blocked the bill. They did it, not Obama.

Republicans are still obstructing.

Republican Obstruction Of Budget Process Hits 100th Day

By Alan Pyke

Monday marks 100 days since the Senate passed a budget amid bipartisan praise of the open process. But initial Republican eagerness to work on a budget has given way to the obstructionism that’s defined the Senate minority under Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY).

Over the past hundred days, Republicans have blocked 15 separate attempts to go to a budget conference with the House of Representatives. Now that the House and Senate have passed their own versions, each is supposed to appoint representatives to a committee that reconciles them into one bill that can be passed by each body and signed by the president.

The handful of Republicans who are blocking a conference on the 2014 budget cite a variety of reasons, including fears that the conference agreement would include a deal preventing another debt ceiling crisis. Sens. Rand Paul (R-KY), Ted Cruz (R-TX), Mike Lee (R-UT), and Marco Rubio (R-FL) have insisted that the conferees be barred from addressing the debt ceiling, which needs to be increased by this fall to avoid a catastrophic default on U.S. obligations. McConnell, who has praised the use of the debt ceiling as a pressure point for extracting spending cuts despite the tactic’s negative impact on the nation’s credit rating, is one of many prominent Republicans who demanded “regular order” on the budget. In January, he called for a speedy budget conference because “that’s how things are supposed to work around here.”

Yet McConnell has joined the Cruz/Paul/Rubio wing of his caucus in blocking progress on the budget over the past 100 days. Spokespeople for the Republican Senate leader did not respond to multiple requests for comment on Monday, but by joining with members like Paul he’s wrapped his arms around the obstructionists’ spin. According to a sign Paul’s staff whipped up for a May floor speech, they’re “Preventing A Back Room Deal To Raise The Debt Limit” and counting the days without budget conferees as a mounting victory.

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http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/07/01/2241941/republican-obstruction-of-budget-process-hits-100th-day/

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
58. So one op of mine explaining why I personally tend to criticize dems more
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jul 2013

than repubs is a new meme? gad. and don't bother denying that this op wasn't inspired by my earlier one.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
77. It would be his fault
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:07 PM
Jul 2013

"right.... it's NEVER Obama's fault LOL"

...if he forced Republicans to block the bill. Do you believe he forced Republicans to block the bill?

Do you think this is Obama's fault?

Republican Obstruction Of Budget Process Hits 100th Day

By Alan Pyke

Monday marks 100 days since the Senate passed a budget amid bipartisan praise of the open process. But initial Republican eagerness to work on a budget has given way to the obstructionism that’s defined the Senate minority under Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY).

Over the past hundred days, Republicans have blocked 15 separate attempts to go to a budget conference with the House of Representatives. Now that the House and Senate have passed their own versions, each is supposed to appoint representatives to a committee that reconciles them into one bill that can be passed by each body and signed by the president.

The handful of Republicans who are blocking a conference on the 2014 budget cite a variety of reasons, including fears that the conference agreement would include a deal preventing another debt ceiling crisis. Sens. Rand Paul (R-KY), Ted Cruz (R-TX), Mike Lee (R-UT), and Marco Rubio (R-FL) have insisted that the conferees be barred from addressing the debt ceiling, which needs to be increased by this fall to avoid a catastrophic default on U.S. obligations. McConnell, who has praised the use of the debt ceiling as a pressure point for extracting spending cuts despite the tactic’s negative impact on the nation’s credit rating, is one of many prominent Republicans who demanded “regular order” on the budget. In January, he called for a speedy budget conference because “that’s how things are supposed to work around here.”

Yet McConnell has joined the Cruz/Paul/Rubio wing of his caucus in blocking progress on the budget over the past 100 days. Spokespeople for the Republican Senate leader did not respond to multiple requests for comment on Monday, but by joining with members like Paul he’s wrapped his arms around the obstructionists’ spin. According to a sign Paul’s staff whipped up for a May floor speech, they’re “Preventing A Back Room Deal To Raise The Debt Limit” and counting the days without budget conferees as a mounting victory.

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http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/07/01/2241941/republican-obstruction-of-budget-process-hits-100th-day/

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
81. A couple other memes - not that new
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:10 PM
Jul 2013

- Even when Dems hold the Senate and the WH, they have to cave in to the Republicans
- Even when the Dems hold the Senate, WH, AND House, they have to cave in to the Republicans
- Even when the admin justifies torture, proposes SS and Medicare cuts, signs off on Bush tax cut extensions, and brings Repubicans into the cabinet, it's still the Republicans fault

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
91. And none of that has anything to do with Republican blocking the jobs bill.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 06:19 PM
Jul 2013

Some people believe that the WH caved on health care reform. Not a single Republican voted for it.

They've now voted 38 times to repeal it.



 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
88. My chlidren and grandchldren will alway know
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:38 PM
Jul 2013

That grandpa calls Obama the great betrayer.

The nutjobs at work have the smug satisfaction of knowing they were right all along about him. I have no counter argument to give. I can't claim economic disparity is an issue when "my president" widens the gap.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
90. Maybe,
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 06:11 PM
Jul 2013

"My chlidren and grandchldren will alway know That grandpa calls Obama the great betrayer."

...they'll grow up and learn the facts. Change isn't always apparent when it's happening.

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Perhaps the best prism through which to see the Democrats’ gains is inequality. In the 2008 campaign, Mr. Obama said that his top priority as president would be to “create bottom-up economic growth” and reduce inequality...In the 2009 stimulus, he insisted on making tax credits “fully refundable,” so that even people who did not make enough to pay much federal tax would benefit. The 2010 health care law overhaul was probably the biggest attack on inequality since it began rising in the 1970s, increasing taxes on businesses and the rich to pay for health insurance largely for the middle class.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/us/politics/for-obama-fiscal-deal-is-a-victory-that-also-holds-risks.html


Krugman: Obama and Redistribution
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022224304

They'll also grow up in a world where health care becomes more accessible and affordable, and the effects will become even more noticeable.

The data presented here are from the Current Population Survey (CPS), 2012 Annual Social and Economic Supplement (ASEC), the source of official poverty estimates. The CPS ASEC is a sample survey of approximately 100,000 household nationwide. These data reflect conditions in calendar year 2011.

  • In 2011, the official poverty rate was 15.0 percent. There were 46.2 million people in poverty.

  • After 3 consecutive years of increases, neither the official poverty rate nor the number of people in poverty were statisti¬cally different from the 2010 estimates1

  • The 2011 poverty rates for most demographic groups examined were not statistically different from their 2010 rates. Poverty rates were lower in 2011 than in 2010 for six groups: Hispanics, males, the foreign-born, nonciti¬zens, people living in the South, and people living inside metropol¬itan statistical areas but outside principal cities. Poverty rates went up between 2010 and 2011 for naturalized citizens.

  • For most groups, the number of people in poverty either decreased or did not show a statistically significant change. The number of people in poverty decreased for noncitizens, people living in the South, and people living inside metropolitan statistical areas but outside principal cities between 2010 and 2011. The number of naturalized citizens in poverty increased.

  • The poverty rate in 2011 for chil¬dren under age 18 was 21.9 per-cent. The poverty rate for people aged 18 to 64 was 13.7 percent, while the rate for people aged 65 and older was 8.7 percent. None of the rates for these age groups were statistically different from their 2010 estimates.2
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/about/overview/


Go to the "Publications" tab for more information.

Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2011
http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/income_wealth/cb12-172.html

Sex

  • The poverty rate for males decreased between 2010 and 2011, from 14.0 percent to 13.6 percent, while the poverty rate for females was 16.3 percent, not statistically different from the 2010 estimate.
<...>

Health Insurance Coverage

  • The number of people with health insurance increased to 260.2 million in 2011 from 256.6 million in 2010, as did the percentage of people with health insurance (84.3 percent in 2011, 83.7 percent in 2010).

  • The percentage of people covered by private health insurance in 2011 was not statistically different from 2010, at 63.9 percent. This was the first time in the last 10 years that the rate of private health insurance coverage has not decreased. The percentage covered by employment-based health insurance in 2011 was not statistically different from 2010, at 55.1 percent.

  • The percentage of people covered by government health insurance increased from 31.2 percent to 32.2 percent. The percentage covered by Medicaid increased from 15.8 percent in 2010 to 16.5 percent in 2011. The percentage covered by Medicare also rose over the period, from 14.6 percent to 15.2 percent. The percentage covered by Medicaid in 2011 was higher than the percentage covered by Medicare.

  • In 2011, 9.7 percent of children under 19 (7.6 million) were without health insurance. Neither estimate is significantly different from the corresponding 2010 estimate. The uninsured rate also remained statistically unchanged for those age 26 to 34 and people age 45 to 64. It declined, however, for people age 19 to 25, age 35 to 44 and those age 65 and older.

  • The uninsured rate for children in poverty (13.8 percent) was higher than the rate for all children (9.4 percent).

  • In 2011, the uninsured rates decreased as household income increased from 25.4 percent for those in households with annual income less than $25,000 to 7.8 percent in households with income of $75,000 or more.

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http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/income_wealth/cb12-172.html

Dire information, but I would say a decrease in the poverty rate among most groups between 2010 and 2011 is big news, as is the information on health insurance coverage.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
92. Yeah, bfd.. glenn greenwald says it.. it must be true..
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 07:17 PM
Jul 2013

rofl.. he's such a fucking Liar. and, of course, it's lapped up like freaking cream in a saucer.

Mahalo for some FACTS, ProSense.. for those who aren't greenwald regurgitators.

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