Progressive Democrats though, doesn't there? Some more subtle than others, but transparent enough to most Democrats nevertheless. I wonder why? Why not just discuss the issues that are the reason for the anger among Democrats? If they are right, they should be able to bring people over to their side.

Anyhow, you are not alone, thankfully. Most Dems agree with you.

But for many it seems the need to be right or to protect a politician trumps the principles most of us always connected with being a Democrat. If Democrats just wanted to win elections with no concern for the people we would have never become the party of civil rights or the social safety net. We would have wooed fundamentalist evangelicals at the expense of LGBT rights.

But we didn't. We have principles that the adherents of the other side don't. I'm proud of that.

Thanks for the K&R.

Hopefully it's full of people, and won't just run us over.

could be wrong! Wouldn't be the first time!

I highly recommend.

I will also add. I won't continually attack the messenger with ad hominems and character assassination, like Ann Coulter, because I don't have any real facts to talk about.

I don't have high hopes that those who need to understand this thread actually will, but hope springe eternal I suppose.

And proud to K&R.