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bvar22

(39,909 posts)
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 04:17 PM Jul 2013

The Downward Trend for America's Working Class continues, unchecked.

Last edited Fri Jul 26, 2013, 07:51 PM - Edit history (1)

The organized STEALING of the last bits of wealth from America's Working Class continues.
In fact, it IS accelerating.

50% of Working Americans NOW make less than $27,000/Yr.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023308914

Right now, forty percent of Americans make less than the minimum wage from 1968.
http://pac.petitions.moveon.org/sign/raise-the-minimum-wage-19/?source=search


Daily CEO Pay Now Exceeds the Average Worker's Annual Salary –
http://thecontributor.com/daily-ceo-pay-now-exceeds-us-workers-annual-salary




76% of Americans are living paycheck-to-paycheck
http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/24/pf/emergency-savings/index.html


New Rule (Passed by Congress and signed by President Obama) signals Kiss of Death for Pensions
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100694955

Wealthy win lion's share of major tax breaks
http://www.boston.com/business/news/2013/05/29/wealthy-win-lion-share-major-tax-breaks/Ua0UyYle21EUXub7g1suCI/story.html

Half of America is in poverty, and its creeping toward 75%
http://www.alternet.org/economy/real-numbers-half-america-poverty-and-its-creeping-toward-75-0

Wealth gap widens as labor's share of income falls
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/wealth-gap-widens-labors-share-income-falls-1B6097385

As the Economy Recovers, the Wealth Gap Widens
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/rick-newman/2013/03/11/as-the-economy-recovers-the-wealth-gap-widens

Top One Percent Captured 121 Percent Of All Income Gains
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/12/top-one-percent-income-gains_n_2670455.html

Corporate Profits Hit Record High While Worker Wages Hit Record Low
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/12/03/1270541/corporate-profits-wages-record/?mobile=nc


These things ^ do NOT happen by accident.
They take careful planning, preparation, marketing, buying the right politicians, message control, courts packed with Corporate Rights Judges, and the marginalization and suppression of any opposition or dissent.
(SEE: OWS)

This trend is also unsustainable.
That is WHY the 1% is urgently building the Surveillance/Security State,
and changing the laws to make "dissidents" (those who challenge Government Authority) the same as "terrorists",
because when the Working Class & The Poor realize how badly they have been screwed by BOTH Political parties,
they are going to need it.


I live in a very poor part of Rural America.
They were desperately poor here 10 years ago,
and they are WORSE off today.

We donate the surplus production from our Chickens and Veggie Garden to our local Free Store, and the families lining up for food on Tuesday Mornings are GROWING. Every week there are MORE. They have the same vacant, 1000 yard stare as those in the photographs from the 1920s as they stand in line waiting for food.
DESPAIR.

Many are in that age group between 50 & 65 who are now unemployable, and their savings, equity from and entire working life, and credit has run out.
They can't understand HOW this happened.
They worked HARD and stayed out of trouble,
so HOW did they wind up HERE?
They would like to be ANGRY, but have been told that it is ALL Their Fault.

The Expansion of Medicaid may help somewhat,
but I see NOTHING In-the-Works or On-the-Drawing Board
from the Leadership of either Political Party to address this Economic Trend.

Raising the Minimum Wage is a laughable (in a sick sense) Token gesture,
as are the claims of creating new jobs (low wage, no benefits McJobs).
Despite the claims coming out of Washington, there IS NO "RECOVERY" for those of us who live on Main Street.
The Fast Tracked TPP (NAFTA on Steroids) will make it WORSE,
and those pushing it KNOW THAT,
and apparently do NOT care.
(Well, they "care" enough to try to keep the Working Class from finding out the depth of this betrayal by keeping it "secret&quot


But Wall Street breaks RECORDS,
so



You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]

[font size=5 color=firebrick]Solidarity99%![/font]

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The Downward Trend for America's Working Class continues, unchecked. (Original Post) bvar22 Jul 2013 OP
America's race to the bottom ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #1
They're starving us out Hydra Jul 2013 #2
stay alive, be ready for the revolution PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #3
If things don't change, you will be proven right. nt bluestate10 Jul 2013 #6
I feel this coming Saviolo Jul 2013 #55
It IS heart-breaking. One more statistic, one in six US children go to bed hungry every sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #4
Sabrina, one big problem is that poor people don't vote regularly. Real change won't bluestate10 Jul 2013 #8
Why should they? leftstreet Jul 2013 #15
Politicians only represent the wealthy. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #23
Then protest vote. Write someone in... anything. n/t cprise Jul 2013 #53
I not only voted for Obama, I worked to get him elected and things are still getting rhett o rick Jul 2013 #65
You seriously think "voting" will solve anything? 99Forever Jul 2013 #31
You can write-in anyone you want cprise Jul 2013 #54
You misinterpreted what I was saying. 99Forever Jul 2013 #56
I see what you're saying cprise Jul 2013 #60
write in votes are not permitted Coyote_Bandit Jul 2013 #58
You'd have to find some other mark to protest, then. cprise Jul 2013 #61
unless there is a hand recount Coyote_Bandit Jul 2013 #68
They will see a descrepency between turnout/number of ballots cprise Jul 2013 #81
The problem is much bigger than that. The media is propagandizing us, many that want to vote are rhett o rick Jul 2013 #64
The poor face many obstacles to voting YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #73
Sabrina, not meaning to dismiss the severity of food insecurity (hunger) in the HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #71
The minimum wage has to be increased to a level that single people and families can bluestate10 Jul 2013 #5
"These things ^ do NOT happen by accident." woo me with science Jul 2013 #7
This is the "new era" Obama wants. forestpath Jul 2013 #9
No one that has the power to do anything about it genuinely cares to make it better. HughBeaumont Jul 2013 #10
They're also making it impossible to work multiple jobs Patiod Jul 2013 #11
It's the stockholders more than the CEOs jmowreader Jul 2013 #19
This is so fucking heartless it makes me seethe. CrispyQ Jul 2013 #44
Things are so bad, that Obama is making "Working Class" themed speeches... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #12
"This trend is also unsustainable." Be optimistic. Sure it is. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2013 #13
But life is grand if you're at the top and sticking it to everyone else Catherina Jul 2013 #14
DURec leftstreet Jul 2013 #16
Daily CEO Pay Now Exceeds the Average Worker's Annual Salary – Roy Rolling Jul 2013 #17
cannibals is a good word for what they are. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #40
"Half of America is in poverty, and its creeping toward 75%" ProSense Jul 2013 #18
Thanks for posting this. n/t zeos3 Jul 2013 #26
The "poverty line" as currently determined is out of date and woefully underestimates poverty. snot Jul 2013 #46
Your first ProSense Jul 2013 #52
The president will help us with the TPP! Enthusiast Jul 2013 #57
It depends on how you define poverty. blackspade Jul 2013 #69
Some people insist that America's Poor, the Working Poor, and the Soon to be Poor bvar22 Jul 2013 #75
Roger that! blackspade Jul 2013 #79
The only way to fight back is with a Union. The politicians and their owners do not care about you. Skeeter Barnes Jul 2013 #20
Which is EXACTLY why unions are under attack! n/t AngryOldDem Jul 2013 #22
exactly. We need another labor movement. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #39
I just got a nasty piece of news this afternoon. AngryOldDem Jul 2013 #21
I am so sorry to hear that. Democrats cannot ignore the wage problem anymore. There are just too liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #38
My contact person has been with the company for 20+ years. AngryOldDem Jul 2013 #72
Yep... FloriTexan Jul 2013 #24
Thanks for the info. zeos3 Jul 2013 #25
Here's a further irony: chervilant Jul 2013 #48
Bang. Spot on. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #27
Bare in mind 9.5 making 500K will soon be worth twice that and twice again soon after SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #28
Thanlk You, Thank You, Thank You Phlem Jul 2013 #29
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #30
Are YOU going to Take ON the US Government with a pistol? bvar22 Jul 2013 #35
Thank you for saying that DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #51
kr HiPointDem Jul 2013 #32
k&r Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #33
Excellent post. K&R nt TBF Jul 2013 #34
Congress needs to raise the minimum wage to about 11 bucks an hour arely staircase Jul 2013 #36
I'm tired of Congress' action on minimum wage. Raising minimum wage just isn't enough anymore. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #37
agreed that 11 bucks isn't enough to live off arely staircase Jul 2013 #41
Corporations are desperately trying to make the minimum wage the standard wage PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #42
Nixon proposed a guaranteed annual income. CrispyQ Jul 2013 #43
An array of price-control regulations are also needed. reformist2 Jul 2013 #45
The thing is they raise the minimum wage, companies will merely hire part-time duffyduff Jul 2013 #83
By design, my friend, by design. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #47
Very very very SAD .... MindMover Jul 2013 #49
Thank you chervilant Jul 2013 #50
Perhaps Elysium really is our future. Can I be Matt Damon? Kennah Jul 2013 #59
Every time there's a crash, the same few grab more. DirkGently Jul 2013 #62
Because free trader wall street thieves are heroes in America? workinclasszero Jul 2013 #63
30 plus years of trickle down and I haven't seen a drop of it. progressoid Jul 2013 #66
what I want to know is if we now know it doesn't work why can't we change it? liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #67
Because the elites who believe in it and profited from it control both political parties. n/t duffyduff Jul 2013 #84
Awesome post. blackspade Jul 2013 #70
Kicked and recommended. YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #74
And Obama has been fiddling for 5-1/2 years, while the U.S. burns. One of his solutions is to screw MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #76
Glug Glug DJ13 Jul 2013 #77
You should re-post this as its own thread. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #78
Thread winner.... blackspade Jul 2013 #80
K&R! We need big changes. nt limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #82

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
2. They're starving us out
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 04:23 PM
Jul 2013

Add climate change to this, and only the chosen people serving the 1% will survive.

I've been at the bottom for years and managed to keep just ahead of the rising waters...how many people weren't as lucky as me?

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
3. stay alive, be ready for the revolution
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 04:23 PM
Jul 2013

They have been feeding us cake too long. Their time is coming soon.

Saviolo

(3,283 posts)
55. I feel this coming
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 01:31 PM
Jul 2013

Things are bubbling up all over. Wealthy politicians making decisions for an enormous group of people with whom they have no contact, and with whom they are completely out of touch. It's not just the USA. The wealthiest 300 people in the world control the same amount of wealth as the poorest 3billion.

I think things are going to get nasty in the next 10 years or so... they'll get a lot worse before they get better.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
4. It IS heart-breaking. One more statistic, one in six US children go to bed hungry every
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jul 2013

night. It's unforgivable in a nation that is spending trillions on weapons to kill people with, supposedly for our 'security'. I know, without mincing words, that this is NOT for anyone's security, it is all about money.

These people who are hoarding all this money, have some serious problems. And we allowed these hugely disturbed people to take over this country.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
8. Sabrina, one big problem is that poor people don't vote regularly. Real change won't
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 04:33 PM
Jul 2013

happen until poor people start voting and vote for their economic interests.

leftstreet

(36,111 posts)
15. Why should they?
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 05:44 PM
Jul 2013

What policies are being offered by politicians that would address their 'economic interests?'



 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
65. I not only voted for Obama, I worked to get him elected and things are still getting
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 03:43 PM
Jul 2013

worse. And Obama has the audacity to appoint Penny Pritzker.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
31. You seriously think "voting" will solve anything?
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 07:29 PM
Jul 2013

I used to believe that too.

It's a lie. The only candidates we are allowed to "vote" for are liars. If it weren't so, this Nation would have turned around 4 years ago, instead, we are still circling the bowl.

They got theirs, and they don't give a shit about the rest of us. Period.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
54. You can write-in anyone you want
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 01:27 PM
Jul 2013

Its 10x better to signal affirmatively that the establishment cannot claim democratic legitimacy... this is especially the case when politicians try to implement economic warfare and police state tactics against most of their so-called "constituents".

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
56. You misinterpreted what I was saying.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 01:38 PM
Jul 2013

I didn't say not to vote, I simply meant that it's foolhardy to expect change from it. It's almost impossible to find an honest politician, ESPECIALLY on the red and blue teams. They lie like fish swim and the ones that don't, are stifled by the power brokers that really pull their strings.

I had huge hope in 2008. Now? Don't get me started.

So yes, I will likely either vote 3rd party or write in next go around, because I have zero hope that EITHER major party will have an decent, honest, non-corporate candidate to choose from. Instead, it will be just another smooth talking corporate fraud, pretending to be "of the people" from the Dems, and another complete asshole from the Repubs. None for me, thanks.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
60. I see what you're saying
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 02:35 PM
Jul 2013

My take is: Exposing the illegitimacy of the system may be the first step to changing it.

Most downtrodden people don't consider strategies like this, however. I hate to say it, but until this year most preferred to devote their minds to entertainment; Hollywood is in the business of hypnotizing sheep with superhero stories and computer graphics.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
61. You'd have to find some other mark to protest, then.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 02:38 PM
Jul 2013

Maybe write-in anyway (the vote isn't necessarily supposed to have any immediate electoral impact; but enough 'improper' write-ins would show up as a protest at least).

Coyote_Bandit

(6,783 posts)
68. unless there is a hand recount
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 04:46 PM
Jul 2013

Nobody sees those ballots. Just an op scan machine. Nobody cares what you might write. Seems a pretty ineffective way to make a statement.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
81. They will see a descrepency between turnout/number of ballots
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 12:05 AM
Jul 2013

...and vote tallies. There's also a decent chance it will show up in exit polling.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
64. The problem is much bigger than that. The media is propagandizing us, many that want to vote are
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 03:39 PM
Jul 2013

disenfranchised by one trick or three, key elections are stolen. Often the choice is between two corporate choices like Clinton and Christie. Dont blame the poor people.

 

HardTimes99

(2,049 posts)
71. Sabrina, not meaning to dismiss the severity of food insecurity (hunger) in the
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 06:08 PM
Jul 2013

slightest, but do you have a source for the claim that '1 in six US children go to bed hungry every night'? That's far more severe than the statistic I've heard most recently, which is that 1 in 5 U.S. children experiences at least one episode of food insecurity per month. I do not have a source readilly at hand for my claim either, but it is less severe than what you claim.

I'm not saying you're wrong, more like I may not be fully up to speed on how severe the problem truly is.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
5. The minimum wage has to be increased to a level that single people and families can
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 04:26 PM
Jul 2013

maintain decent lives on. If society continues on the bimodal track of 15% of the population doing well, with the top of the group doing well beyond reason, one day that 15% will fear for their lives with no recourse but to give up all they own to stay alive. The dynamic of wealth distribution is not only happening in the USA, but all industrialized countries except in countries that are social-democracies.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
7. "These things ^ do NOT happen by accident."
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 04:32 PM
Jul 2013
These things ^ do NOT happen by accident.


These things ^ do NOT happen by accident.


These things ^ do NOT happen by accident.


These things ^ do NOT happen by accident.


These things ^ do NOT happen by accident.



K&R Thank you.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
10. No one that has the power to do anything about it genuinely cares to make it better.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 04:41 PM
Jul 2013

Yeah, just keep worshipping laissez-fail Economics as gospel. Maybe we just need to give it more time . . let's continue this great experiment until we see tangible benefits. Sure.

The owners are dead wrong. We all know perfectly well how this "system" works . .. and who it works FOR.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
11. They're also making it impossible to work multiple jobs
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 05:09 PM
Jul 2013

"Just in Time" scheduling saves money for big retailers and fast food joints.

Workers have to be available all hours, but may only be called into work for 2 hours one day, or 9 hours, or no hours, without any regular schedule. This makes it impossible to get multiple jobs. But hey - it saves money for these giant corporations, so they can give more profits to their CEOs.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
19. It's the stockholders more than the CEOs
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 05:54 PM
Jul 2013

Google "Home Depot Values" and you'll find their Eight Core Values. Number five is Creating Shareholder Value. It should be number one because in any decision, if you can benefit either the shareholder or someone else, the shareholder comes first.

Most Fortune 500 companies feel the same way.

CrispyQ

(36,502 posts)
44. This is so fucking heartless it makes me seethe.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 11:05 AM
Jul 2013

They admonish the working poor & tell them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. This is what you're supposed to do, get multiple jobs so every waking hour is spent serving some corporation's bottom line. Bush chortled that working three jobs was 'uniquely American,' then they do this.





Catherina

(35,568 posts)
14. But life is grand if you're at the top and sticking it to everyone else
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 05:30 PM
Jul 2013

and telling them how rosy your view is.

Life is grand when you can approve trillions for war, surveillance, torture and send kids to bed hungry at night. Or when you can redecorate your house from top to bottom while the bank steals working-class Jack's home and pension.

Rec'd for your wonderful, conscientious post.

Roy Rolling

(6,928 posts)
17. Daily CEO Pay Now Exceeds the Average Worker's Annual Salary –
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 05:49 PM
Jul 2013

This is the most shameless of all. Companies used to compete with other companies for the benefits of higher pay and profits for CEOs and employees. Now, companies are cannibals. The CEOs compete with the ordinary employee to get what they think they are entitled to. The increase in CEO pay comes out of the pockets of employees, not from competition in the marketplace.

Which is to say their concept of "free market competition" is all bullshit.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
18. "Half of America is in poverty, and its creeping toward 75%"
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 05:53 PM
Jul 2013
Half of America is in poverty, and its creeping toward 75%
http://www.alternet.org/economy/real-numbers-half-america-poverty-and-its-creeping-toward-75-0

If you click on the first link, it takes you to the following Census data:

The data presented here are from the Current Population Survey (CPS), 2012 Annual Social and Economic Supplement (ASEC), the source of official poverty estimates. The CPS ASEC is a sample survey of approximately 100,000 household nationwide. These data reflect conditions in calendar year 2011.

  • In 2011, the official poverty rate was 15.0 percent. There were 46.2 million people in poverty.

  • After 3 consecutive years of increases, neither the official poverty rate nor the number of people in poverty were statisti¬cally different from the 2010 estimates1

  • The 2011 poverty rates for most demographic groups examined were not statistically different from their 2010 rates. Poverty rates were lower in 2011 than in 2010 for six groups: Hispanics, males, the foreign-born, nonciti¬zens, people living in the South, and people living inside metropol¬itan statistical areas but outside principal cities. Poverty rates went up between 2010 and 2011 for naturalized citizens.

  • For most groups, the number of people in poverty either decreased or did not show a statistically significant change. The number of people in poverty decreased for noncitizens, people living in the South, and people living inside metropolitan statistical areas but outside principal cities between 2010 and 2011. The number of naturalized citizens in poverty increased.

  • The poverty rate in 2011 for chil¬dren under age 18 was 21.9 per-cent. The poverty rate for people aged 18 to 64 was 13.7 percent, while the rate for people aged 65 and older was 8.7 percent. None of the rates for these age groups were statistically different from their 2010 estimates.2
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/about/overview/


Go to the "Publications" tab for more information.

Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2011
http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/income_wealth/cb12-172.html

Sex

  • The poverty rate for males decreased between 2010 and 2011, from 14.0 percent to 13.6 percent, while the poverty rate for females was 16.3 percent, not statistically different from the 2010 estimate.
<...>

Health Insurance Coverage

  • The number of people with health insurance increased to 260.2 million in 2011 from 256.6 million in 2010, as did the percentage of people with health insurance (84.3 percent in 2011, 83.7 percent in 2010).

  • The percentage of people covered by private health insurance in 2011 was not statistically different from 2010, at 63.9 percent. This was the first time in the last 10 years that the rate of private health insurance coverage has not decreased. The percentage covered by employment-based health insurance in 2011 was not statistically different from 2010, at 55.1 percent.

  • The percentage of people covered by government health insurance increased from 31.2 percent to 32.2 percent. The percentage covered by Medicaid increased from 15.8 percent in 2010 to 16.5 percent in 2011. The percentage covered by Medicare also rose over the period, from 14.6 percent to 15.2 percent. The percentage covered by Medicaid in 2011 was higher than the percentage covered by Medicare.

  • In 2011, 9.7 percent of children under 19 (7.6 million) were without health insurance. Neither estimate is significantly different from the corresponding 2010 estimate. The uninsured rate also remained statistically unchanged for those age 26 to 34 and people age 45 to 64. It declined, however, for people age 19 to 25, age 35 to 44 and those age 65 and older.

  • The uninsured rate for children in poverty (13.8 percent) was higher than the rate for all children (9.4 percent).

  • In 2011, the uninsured rates decreased as household income increased from 25.4 percent for those in households with annual income less than $25,000 to 7.8 percent in households with income of $75,000 or more.

    <...>
- more -

http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/income_wealth/cb12-172.html

Dire information, but I would say a decrease in the poverty rate among most groups between 2010 and 2011 is big news, as is the information on health insurance coverage.



ProSense

(116,464 posts)
52. Your first
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 01:18 PM
Jul 2013

"The "poverty line" as currently determined is out of date and woefully underestimates poverty."

...link is to a 2006 article. Still, the data is the same data used to make the claim I was addressing.

Also, from the second link you provided:

<...>

TOWARD A SOLUTION

To address the shortcomings of the poverty line, the Obama administration announced in March that it will begin publishing a “supplemental poverty measure” (SPM) that is similar to the one used by Bloomberg and is based largely on the recommendations of the NAS panel. The SPM will be calculated by determining the consumption spending of an average household at the 33rd percentile of income— well above extreme deprivation, but below the national median. After determining what this household spends on basic consumption—such as food, housing, and medical care—the U.S. Department of Commerce will determine what a family needs to subsist at a basic level. This new line will be adjusted regionally by housing cost.

The Obama administration deserves praise for trying to craft a better measure of poverty. But the plan has two fundamental flaws. First, the SPM has no teeth. According to Blank, who is leading the administration’s efforts, the supplemental measure will not replace the existing line when it comes to determining who is eligible for poverty programs or how poverty funding is allocated. Instead, the line will be an additional macroeconomic indicator that will provide a different way to assess the well-being of low-income households in America.11

<...>

Congress is expected to hold hearings on the poverty line this fall. Our recommendation to Congress and the Obama administration is simple: Make it count. Use the retooling of the poverty line as an opportunity to change the way data are collected on low-income households and to improve the way that policy and programs use the poverty line in determining eligibility and allocating funding. The ball is in motion. Now it’s time to make sure that our efforts make concrete improvements in the lives of those struggling to make ends meet.

Measuring poverty accurately is a must, but alone it is not enough. We need to expand our understanding of poverty. We must move beyond the line.

So the current poverty line, while inadequate, measures based on existing parameters. If the line changes, the data changes. So your point is really an apples to oranges comparison.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
69. It depends on how you define poverty.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:23 PM
Jul 2013

If someone has to work 3 jobs just to pay basic bills, then they are in poverty.

The Federal 'poverty line' is woefully unrealistic.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
75. Some people insist that America's Poor, the Working Poor, and the Soon to be Poor
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 08:38 PM
Jul 2013

..... are really doing well,
and have a bright future if they just keep voting for MORE "Free Trade", "Free Markets", and Market Based "Private" For Profit Big Business solutions.
They have "facts" to prove it from [font color=blue]Whitehouse.gov[/font]

The Pundits, Party Spokesmen, Talking Heads, Chamber of Commerce, and Centrist Big Business Democrats tell me that there is a NEW God,
but I can't see him because he is a Giant, All Powerful, Invisible Hand,
and when the private market makes a mistake,
this Giant Invisible Hand reaches down from the heavens,
[font size=3]and CORRECTS the Market ALL BY HIMSELF!!![/font]
There is No NEED for Regulations or Government Intervention to Keep things Fair.
In fact, THAT only makes things WORSE.
The Invisible Hand Knows ALL, and works BEST all by himself,
so we have to be careful NOT to interfere,
or it will Piss Him Off.

Thats WHY our Leadership is working on another BIG "Free Trade" Deal,
[font size=1]but Shhhhhh! He wants to keep it a SECRET so everybody will be surprised,
and the Invisible Hand will be happy!!!
So don't tell anyone.[/font]

Does that sound "funny" to you?
I have a lot of trouble with this Invisible Hand thing.
We've been doing that for 30 years now,
Democrat & Republican,
and it doesn't seem to be getting any better.


Anyway, here is a picture of the altar in this New Church where all of our Political Leaders, Democrat & Republican, all go to worship.

[font size=4]The Graven Image on the altar
of the Church of the Invisible Hand.[/font]

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
79. Roger that!
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 09:32 PM
Jul 2013

The whole notion that the 'recovery' has been good for any class beyond the top 10% is laughable.

The capitalist classes have bamboozled and stole their way to the top and in order to stay there they have to take more and more.
They are parasites on society. The world needs a good regimen of decon to clear them up.

Skeeter Barnes

(994 posts)
20. The only way to fight back is with a Union. The politicians and their owners do not care about you.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 06:02 PM
Jul 2013

They would work you like a dog until you fell over and died, if they could get away with it so you have to remember, there is POWER in a Union.


AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
21. I just got a nasty piece of news this afternoon.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 06:10 PM
Jul 2013

I freelance for a publishing company and I got an e-mail saying that it is outsourcing its composition services to a consulting group, with "future business changes" coming. (Words that do NOT warm the cockles of my heart.) The work had pretty much dried up and I've gotten virtual radio silence from my contact person there. Now I know why. But the ironic thing is, just yesterday someone not with the company told me that they had let most of their editors go.

I count on the freelance gig to tide me over for when I'm on hiatus from my temporary full-time job, that just ended yesterday. I won't go back to that until October.

I honestly don't know what the fuck it is going to take for people to wake up and see what's happening. Anywhere else, and people would be taking to the streets to protest this continual rape of the middle and lower classes.

Meanwhile, I'm .

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
38. I am so sorry to hear that. Democrats cannot ignore the wage problem anymore. There are just too
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 11:34 PM
Jul 2013

many people suffering and no one is helping them.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
72. My contact person has been with the company for 20+ years.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 07:35 PM
Jul 2013

We started there at about the same time; I left to freelance because of family considerations.

I so much want to drop him an e-mail, but a part of me is so afraid it will bounce back, or I'll get a robo-response of some kind telling me he's no longer there.

He is also older than me (I'll be 53 in a few days) so you tell me what he's going to do now if indeed he did get laid off.

But I am extremely pissed at the company for not giving any kind of heads-up about the shape it's in. I only found out about this by chance earlier this week when someone (outside the company) said she heard they had let most of their editorial staff go. This was news to me, although I had been finding it odd that I had not heard from anyone. I later found a story on another website from March that detailed how they were restructuring and that their losses were substantial. Then, the e-mail, that confirmed all of the above. I wish I had known all this about three months ago. The utter disrespect that companies show employees of every kind is just as infuriating as the poor treatment we get.

zeos3

(1,078 posts)
25. Thanks for the info.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 06:41 PM
Jul 2013

Here's some more on the topic:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023334013


http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/17774-how-low-can-your-salary-go-117-alec-bills-in-2013-fuel-race-to-the-bottom#.UfBb4dRdNBI.email



At least 117 bills introduced in 2013 fuel a "race to the bottom" in wages, benefits, and worker rights and resemble "model" bills from the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), according to a new analysis by the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD), publishers of ALECexposed.org

As working Americans speak out for higher wages, better benefits, and respect in the workplace, a coordinated, nationwide campaign to silence them is mounting -- and ALEC is at the heart of it. ALEC corporations, right-wing think tanks, and monied interests like the Koch brothers are pushing legislation throughout the country designed to drive down wages; limit health care, pensions, and other benefits; and cripple working families' participation in the political and legislative process.

ALEC has pushed an anti-worker agenda since at least 1979, when it began striking out against "forced unionism" and for a "right to work," says a 1998 ALEC document. This "right to work" agenda does not create jobs or job security, but it does tilt the playing field against workers to give corporations more profits -- and CEOs more power -- in the workplace and in the political arena.




Harold Schaitberger, General President of the International Association of Fire Fighters, put it best when he told CMD, "The sole purpose of ALEC has been to develop the most anti-middle class, pro-corporation policies, legislation, and agenda in history. They've been waiting for just the right moment to reverse the progress of the American middle class and drive everyone to the bottom, to the lowest wages, the weakest benefits, no job security, and no retirement to speak of. We may not have the billions of dollars of the Koch brothers. But we have each other and we must stick together and fight ALEC's cynical and un-American agenda."



At the bottom of the link is a list of "workers rights" bills on a state by state basis. Why don't we try this: Let's post the below links to our state group (here on DU) to try to raise awareness and get some momentum behind getting rid of ALEC on a state by state basis.

Here's a list of worker rights, education, and tort reform bills being pushed by ALEC in each state.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/ALEC_2013_Bills


Here is The Center for Media and Democracy's "ALEC Exposed" site.

http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed


Let's try to raise awareness about who we need to fight against in our home states.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
48. Here's a further irony:
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 12:55 PM
Jul 2013

(Disclaimer: I live in a "right to work" state.)

I have pursued teacher certification over the past four + years, and have been un- or under-employed for most of that time. I now have a low wage job in an unrelated field (with ethical and trustworthy people!), and could do significant volunteer work as a math tutor.

Not a single, solitary school district will take me up on my offer!!!

WTF!?! Is this truly the kind of nation we want for our children?!?

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,138 posts)
28. Bare in mind 9.5 making 500K will soon be worth twice that and twice again soon after
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 06:59 PM
Jul 2013

Expendable income gets invested, with returns increasing based on keeping costs down. Hence, an even greater divide.

Response to bvar22 (Original post)

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
35. Are YOU going to Take ON the US Government with a pistol?
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 08:06 PM
Jul 2013

That would be a futile gesture.
Who are you going to shoot?

We HAVE the answer.
Our neighbors in Latin America have goven us a successful Blue Print for "CHANGE". They have successfully wrested THEIR governments from the hands of their 1% in near bloodless Ballot Box Revolutions.
They had one advantage we do NOT have in the USA.
They had Transparent, Verifiable, Elections,
so we will have to do something about our "private" "secret" Black Box Voting Machines.


When our Working Class & Poor realize WE have MORE in common with each other
than we have in common with the 1% Ruling Class Elite and their Mouth Pieces
in Washington,
THEN we can have "change" too.
As long as "they" can keep us fighting each other,
then the Status Quo will prevail.

Spread the Word.
VIVA Democracy!!!
We outnumber then.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
51. Thank you for saying that
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 01:11 PM
Jul 2013

The Ted Ralls of the world seem to think that unless mass executions take place, there is no progress. He castigated the Egyptians for not being violent enough.

Nonviolence as an absolute may not be effective, but if Violence made the world a better place, well,the world would BE a lot better place. Action of the masses alone works, and pistols going off can scare people as well as unite them, especially since they know they can be next.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
36. Congress needs to raise the minimum wage to about 11 bucks an hour
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 08:07 PM
Jul 2013

that is the best, immediate step that should be taken.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
37. I'm tired of Congress' action on minimum wage. Raising minimum wage just isn't enough anymore.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 11:31 PM
Jul 2013

Corporations are desperately trying to make the minimum wage the standard wage. Unless Congress is willing to make the minimum wage competitive with union wages, let's say $18 or $19 an hour the minimum wage will never fix the problem. We need Congress to adopt a living wage, not a minimum wage. $11 an hour will not pay for the skyrocketing cost of rent, groceries, gas, electricity, clothes, education and every other cost of living that far outpaces income raises.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
41. agreed that 11 bucks isn't enough to live off
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 11:36 PM
Jul 2013

but that is what it would be had it kept up with inflation since I was born in 1968, so it is a number I picked. also, I live in Texas - a right to work (for shit) state with no state minimum wage and raising it to 11 bucks here would be a significant increase for a lot of people. but shit yeah, 18 -19 bucks is even better. and businesses could afford it, they just don't want to pay it.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
42. Corporations are desperately trying to make the minimum wage the standard wage
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 11:46 PM
Jul 2013

This is a very true statement. It does not matter if the minimum wage is 25$/hour. Everyone except executives and upper echelon will be minimum wage. Inflation will skyrocket to adjust everyone to pay-check to pay-check living standards.

CrispyQ

(36,502 posts)
43. Nixon proposed a guaranteed annual income.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 10:56 AM
Jul 2013

I don't think it was much & I don't know how far it would go in that time, but can you believe it? A republican?

I think government should provide the following for everyone:

3 hots & a cot
health care
education through college
child care/elder care
public transportation everywhere

We could do this. We are not broke, contrary to what they tell us. We have many untapped revenue streams, but until we actually start to value people over money, nothing will change.

Nothing will change.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
45. An array of price-control regulations are also needed.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 11:09 AM
Jul 2013

All the increases in income will amount to nothing if businesses (mainly apartment owners) just jack up their rates. I'd also put price controls on health-care and college education, two areas where they are raking in profits because of people fearful of saying no - those sectors of the economy are anything but a "free market."

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
83. The thing is they raise the minimum wage, companies will merely hire part-time
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 11:48 AM
Jul 2013

workers and be ahead of the game since they not only save on wages, they also save on benefits.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
62. Every time there's a crash, the same few grab more.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 02:43 PM
Jul 2013

One example is the REO (post-foreclosure) real estate market. For a while, a lot of small investors were picking up houses, refurbing, and turning them around. Now that's essentially stopped. The banks are sitting on billions of vacant houses, and selling in bulk to large investment firms. Meanwhile rents are sky-high because there's somehow not that much out there.

So first the homeowners get screwed, then the small investors doing slightly better get screwed, then the families forced to rent because they lost jobs or their b.s. adjustable or interest-only mortgages destroyed them are screwed again.

And who profits? Banks, banks, banks.
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
63. Because free trader wall street thieves are heroes in America?
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jul 2013
Many are in that age group between 50 & 65 who are now unemployable, and their savings, equity from and entire working life, and credit has run out.
They can't understand HOW this happened.
They worked HARD and stayed out of trouble,
so HOW did they wind up HERE?


Probably because they get brainwashed daily by Hate radio, go to a teabag/republican church on sunday that condemns all democrats to the fiery pits of hell and when election day rolls around, votes for the very people and party that are actively seeking to destroy them and their family!

Year after year after year.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
67. what I want to know is if we now know it doesn't work why can't we change it?
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 04:10 PM
Jul 2013

It wasn't like this 50 years ago. It was the trickle down economics that got us here. It didn't seem that hard to implement. Why is it so damn hard to get rid of?

 

MotherPetrie

(3,145 posts)
76. And Obama has been fiddling for 5-1/2 years, while the U.S. burns. One of his solutions is to screw
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 08:41 PM
Jul 2013

poor and middle class Social Security recipients with Chained CPI.

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