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proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 08:39 PM Jul 2013

Drones are in the sights of some hunters

They would prefer to shoot at deer, but sportsmen this fall just might bag some drones.

The Kansas Sport Hunting Association probably will work into its upcoming convention a session on what to do about any non-military drone that may be spying on hunters.

Shoot it? Ignore it? Call the sheriff?

“Within a few years, I guarantee, there’ll be a drone harvested,” said association president Ken Corbet. “What redneck wouldn’t want to have a nice drone hanging on the wall?”

Whatever it says about the times, the Federal Aviation Administration this month saw fit to release a statement warning people of the potential “criminal or civil liability” in shooting down unmanned aircraft. At issue are small civilian robots armed with cameras — increasingly a source of contempt among hunting enthusiasts, farmers and privacy advocates determined to defend their space.

The Colorado town of Deer Trail, population 550, has garnered international attention by circulating a proposed ordinance that would permit the shooting of drones. Licensed hunters may even collect a $100 bounty if they present identifiable pieces of a drone taken out, the petition proposes.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/07/27/4372219/drones-are-in-the-sights-of-some.html#storylink=cpy

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Drones are in the sights of some hunters (Original Post) proud2BlibKansan Jul 2013 OP
I, for one, welcome control of human beings by the robot police of our 1% masters. Zorra Jul 2013 #1
Aren't they usually electric? Deep13 Jul 2013 #6
Thanks! Like so many in this thread, I, too, cannot wait to have my every move watched Zorra Jul 2013 #18
javol! nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #28
In the Terminator movies they did that DJ13 Jul 2013 #2
Zimmerman drones (Tom Tomorrow) Electric Monk Jul 2013 #4
and you shot this endangered eagle because you thought it was a what???? dembotoz Jul 2013 #3
Lock and load. Deep13 Jul 2013 #5
and DHS will just allow you to, with no consequences Electric Monk Jul 2013 #7
Those are great! DJ13 Jul 2013 #8
Why would DHS care? JoeyT Jul 2013 #15
The FAA regulates flying vehicles in navagable airspace... Deep13 Jul 2013 #19
Fishing lines at tree top height won't do shit to a drone flying thousands of feet above you. Electric Monk Jul 2013 #22
Sadly, that is the limit of my technology. Deep13 Jul 2013 #30
They're not being sent off on their own. They're being remotely piloted. stevenleser Jul 2013 #9
Well, shooting it would violate my town's firearm ordinance. Deep13 Jul 2013 #21
Easy. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #10
I think you may have just invented a brand new industry: anti-drone drones! petronius Jul 2013 #12
That was kind of what I was thinking. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #14
Looks like a lot of fun is in the offing in NRA land. Which is the whole country, now. freshwest Jul 2013 #11
I read today that the latest Drone/Camera combo has 6" resolution at 17,500 feet. 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #13
We need a way to fuck with their radio reception. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #23
You need the right tool for the job sarisataka Jul 2013 #25
People using rifles.... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #16
Falling bullets have been known to cause injuries, even deaths. randome Jul 2013 #20
Yeah, I know... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #36
Yeah, that's a bad idea. Deep13 Jul 2013 #24
A lot of farmers will be pissed Recursion Jul 2013 #17
If they stay over their own farms, no problem. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #26
Drones are used for such things as monitoring discharge and disposal of pollutants by industry. arely staircase Jul 2013 #27
Drones are also used for such things as targeted assassinations, and spying on protesters villager Jul 2013 #29
so are binoculars and piano wire arely staircase Jul 2013 #33
well, I suppose if a lot of government agents with binoculars posed as "bird watchers" villager Jul 2013 #34
that makes no sense arely staircase Jul 2013 #35
my point is, you have no objection whatsoever to government surveillance, and always find villager Jul 2013 #37
shhh, they are monitoring this arely staircase Jul 2013 #38
Exactly. You have seen the stripping away of the 4th Amendment, and love it all villager Jul 2013 #39
It is quite brave of you to post this arely staircase Jul 2013 #40
"What, me worry?" villager Jul 2013 #41
Not going to happen. Not even a sharpshooter will be able to hit one of these with a rifle. Unless AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #31
The news article is about the sort of "drone" that you/I might own, not military craft. Agony Jul 2013 #32

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
1. I, for one, welcome control of human beings by the robot police of our 1% masters.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 08:48 PM
Jul 2013


(BTW, just out of curiosity, does anyone know where the fuel tanks are located on a drone?)

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
6. Aren't they usually electric?
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 09:00 PM
Jul 2013

Either way, the fuel or batteries would be located close to the center of gravity, around the central rotor, for instance, for weight distribution purposes.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
18. Thanks! Like so many in this thread, I, too, cannot wait to have my every move watched
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 11:17 PM
Jul 2013

and recorded on digital video by the robot police of our 1% Masters.

Anyone who does not want to have their every move watched by the robot police of our 1% masters must be doing something wrong, or they would not mind being under the just and rightful surveillance of our master's empire 24/7.

Anyone who suggests that they do not enjoy being spied on, and would disable the necessary robot police of our glorious 1% masters, is obviously a leftwing Paulbot gun nut racist traitor.

Even if they voted for Obama, have dark skin, and don't own a gun.

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
2. In the Terminator movies they did that
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 08:49 PM
Jul 2013

Then the drones got bigger, and bigger, and began increasing their firepower, finally hunting the hunters.

I hope that wasnt a premonition of things to come.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
5. Lock and load.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 08:58 PM
Jul 2013

ownership means possession. sending something off on its own under Common Law is abandonment of property. If I see of of those things hovering within reach, especially if it is hovering over my land, I'm doing my best to trash it.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
15. Why would DHS care?
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 10:21 PM
Jul 2013

They're specifically talking about privately owned civilian drones. That's why the statement was from the FAA instead of the DHS.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
19. The FAA regulates flying vehicles in navagable airspace...
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 01:14 PM
Jul 2013

...I don't know about robots. Most drones are not governmental, or if they are, it is local police. The space above my yard is not navigable airspace. Under Common Law property rules, that airspace belongs to me as it is part of my yard. Anything in my yard ipso facto is mine.

So at what point do you stop kissing fascist ass and defend your basic, traditional, Common Law rights? Don't know about you, but I'm for the 4th Amendment and I'm not letting the invention of some gizmo undermine that.

I think what I will do is string fishing line at tree-top level across my yard. Gadget rotors tend not to like things tangling them up.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
30. Sadly, that is the limit of my technology.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 01:34 PM
Jul 2013

We need a way to overpower their signal with bursts of directed, radio static.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
9. They're not being sent off on their own. They're being remotely piloted.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 09:09 PM
Jul 2013

It's probably important to note that drones send back video in real time so anyone shooting at it would be caught on video.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
21. Well, shooting it would violate my town's firearm ordinance.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 01:19 PM
Jul 2013

Other towns allow firearm discharge within their limits.

There are other ways to bring those things down. Eventually, someone will invent something that messes with their radio reception. I don't think the basic, Common Law ever envisioned people being allowed to trespass by remote device on other people's property. So, I still say it amounts to the same as throwing something over the fence into the neighbor's yard. Once I do that, the object is his.

So, who ever is watching the video feed would watch me doing something that is completely legal. Maybe they will know better than to trespass next time.

petronius

(26,606 posts)
12. I think you may have just invented a brand new industry: anti-drone drones!
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 09:34 PM
Jul 2013

I would guess that the majority of (if not all) commercial, civilian, drones that are being talked about in the OP article rely on rotors - I wonder if it would be more effective to fly another drone above one, with net or wires dangling below the hunter-drone? Certainly better than firing bullets up into the air...

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
14. That was kind of what I was thinking.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 10:15 PM
Jul 2013

You can only shroud a prop so much for protection.

You could design something like the old mine sweeper nets for them.

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
13. I read today that the latest Drone/Camera combo has 6" resolution at 17,500 feet.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 09:49 PM
Jul 2013

That means that the drone that the hunter can't see is capable of detecting not only his every movement but also that he has a gun in hand and even the color of the shirt he is wearing. These drones have not yet been reported to be armed, but as we have all seen, if it can be done it certainly will.

Now, what is it that some blowhard hunters think they are going to do?

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
16. People using rifles....
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 10:36 PM
Jul 2013

to shoot at moving objects in the air. I am not talking bird hunting with shotguns, which have a relatively short range, but rifles. What could possibly go wrong

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
20. Falling bullets have been known to cause injuries, even deaths.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 01:16 PM
Jul 2013

But that's okay because it's the American Way!
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Deep13

(39,154 posts)
24. Yeah, that's a bad idea.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 01:22 PM
Jul 2013

A little .22, depending on wear it hits someone, can be lethal at one mile. The leave the gun at about 1100 fps. A 5.56mm AR15 round leaves the gun at almost 3000 fps.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
17. A lot of farmers will be pissed
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 10:38 PM
Jul 2013

I think about 99% of drones over the US are farmers observing their crops and herds.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
27. Drones are used for such things as monitoring discharge and disposal of pollutants by industry.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 01:23 PM
Jul 2013

This is a bad thing? I mean I suppose they could do it with manned aircraft for a much higher cost since the word "drone" freaks tin-foil hat americans out.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
29. Drones are also used for such things as targeted assassinations, and spying on protesters
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 01:32 PM
Jul 2013

This is a good thing? I mean, I suppose they could do it with infiltrators and wiretaps, in a much more traditional way, but either way should keep military/industrial supporting Americans from freaking out about too much unchecked freedom.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
34. well, I suppose if a lot of government agents with binoculars posed as "bird watchers"
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 02:31 PM
Jul 2013

...around protests, while jotting down notes, you'd be all for it!

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
37. my point is, you have no objection whatsoever to government surveillance, and always find
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 03:23 PM
Jul 2013

..an excuse to take the MIC at its word.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
39. Exactly. You have seen the stripping away of the 4th Amendment, and love it all
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 03:34 PM
Jul 2013

As long as the "greater glory" of whatever cause -- or individual --you imagine you're supporting is untarnished.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
31. Not going to happen. Not even a sharpshooter will be able to hit one of these with a rifle. Unless
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 01:39 PM
Jul 2013

a drone gets really close, no one will be able to even hit one of these with a shotgun.

It's more likely that someone will come up with some mangled equipment and say that they shot it down.

If you really want to take one of these down, and even then it won't be a sure thing, get a remote controlled airplane. Can you say "Kamikaze".

Agony

(2,605 posts)
32. The news article is about the sort of "drone" that you/I might own, not military craft.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 02:00 PM
Jul 2013

The FAA only allows these UAV's to operate under 400 feet. The hobby of (First Person View) FPV multicopters is not nefarious by default. Like anything this technology will be abused by some. Please take the time to understand this issue before condemning everyone who pilots civilian "drones".

Here is a series of links to get you started if interested. Personal civilian Unmanned Aerial Vehicles are an awesome, often open source, technology with serious potential for good. Clearly there is and will be abuse, UAV's should not be used above private property or to invade privacy, as with anything new, regulations will need to be adjusted to protect everyone.

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https://www.change.org/petitions/oregon-senate-bill-71-protect-the-rc-hobby-aerial-photography-and-fpv-communities

http://rcadvisor.com/relaxed-ama-fpv-rules-coming

http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/reg/

Cheers,
Agony
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