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Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts) Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:03 AM Aug 2013

Man halts massacre without use of HIS OWN gun. NRA sure to be pissed.

PA Man Feuding With Town Kills 3 At Municipal Meeting

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A local official at the meeting grabbed the shooter and subdued him, Reber said.

“(West End Open Space Commission executive director) Bernie Kozen bear-hugged the gunman and took him down,” Reber said. “He shot the shooter with his own gun.”

Rep. Matt Cartwright, who represents the state’s 17th District, said he was “stunned and appalled at the atrocities that claimed the lives of innocent citizens in Ross Township.” He said he had heard about what Kozen did to prevent more bloodshed.

“Mr. Kozen is a true hero tonight,” Cartwright said in an emailed statement.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/pa-man-feuding-with-town-kills-3-at-municipal-meeting.php?ref=fpb

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Man halts massacre without use of HIS OWN gun. NRA sure to be pissed. (Original Post) Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 OP

He shot a person with a stolen gun. pintobean Aug 2013 #1

Your subject line does not match the story Renew Deal Aug 2013 #2

O'rly? Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #3

“He shot the shooter with his own gun.” hack89 Aug 2013 #4

u missed the fact ceonupe Aug 2013 #5

I didn't miss it Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #7

but he sure did use one to stop ceonupe Aug 2013 #8

Apparently the best way to stop a bad buy with a gun is to take away his gun Orrex Aug 2013 #11

and shot him before he pulls out another ceonupe Aug 2013 #14

Fact is, most of these situations can be handled without pulling a gun out of your pants. Hoyt Aug 2013 #18

the sure can but when you look at mass or spree shooters ceonupe Aug 2013 #20

Without carrying gun n/t Fumesucker Aug 2013 #6

Fucking fine people Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #9

DU is a tough room Fumesucker Aug 2013 #12

Worse when it comes to the gun people Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #15

If you say that someone was killed with a gun Fumesucker Aug 2013 #16

Technically, it wasn't the bullets but massive tissue and organ destruction Orrex Aug 2013 #17

But it wasn't the bullet that laid him to rest pintobean Aug 2013 #21

Yeah, I'm sure they'll be pissed. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #10

Guns make people stupid. n/t ellisonz Aug 2013 #13

+ 100000000. Well, the ones that weren't already challenged. Hoyt Aug 2013 #19

pintobean

(18,101 posts)

1. He shot a person with a stolen gun.

Reply to Capt. Obvious (Original post)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:06 AM

Aug 2013

Yes, the guy is a hero.

Renew Deal

(81,869 posts)

2. Your subject line does not match the story

Reply to Capt. Obvious (Original post)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:21 AM

Aug 2013

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)

3. O'rly?

Reply to Renew Deal (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:24 AM

Aug 2013

hack89

(39,171 posts)

4. “He shot the shooter with his own gun.”

Reply to Capt. Obvious (Original post)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:24 AM

Aug 2013

as you were saying.

ceonupe

(597 posts)

5. u missed the fact

Reply to Capt. Obvious (Original post)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:25 AM

Aug 2013

that the hero took the gun from the attacker and shot him.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)

7. I didn't miss it

Reply to ceonupe (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:27 AM

Aug 2013

He didn't bring a gun to the party.

ceonupe

(597 posts)

8. but he sure did use one to stop

Reply to Capt. Obvious (Reply #7)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:27 AM

Aug 2013

the slaughter

Orrex

(63,219 posts)

11. Apparently the best way to stop a bad buy with a gun is to take away his gun

Reply to ceonupe (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:30 AM

Aug 2013

Lots of people have been arguing for exactly that sort of thing for quite a while now.

ceonupe

(597 posts)

14. and shot him before he pulls out another

Reply to Orrex (Reply #11)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:44 AM

Aug 2013

in this case this guy very well could have had another weapon on him seeing as he left to retrieve more weapons to continue his slaughter. My question is had this hero not stepped up and risked his own life to subdue and shoot the gunman how long would it have taken the police to stop the shooting and how many more would have died.

this seams like a small town so highly likely he out gunned the town police. this could have been much worse.

This presents a very real issue. What do you do when someone is crazy but cant be committed and has not broken any laws that get you banned from gun ownership yet. Had this guy threatened people they could have gotten a restring order which would have allowed the police to take his guns. Question is do you want to be on the entry team to confiscate this guys guns? very real issues and i dont have answers for them

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)

18. Fact is, most of these situations can be handled without pulling a gun out of your pants.

Reply to ceonupe (Reply #14)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 10:03 AM

Aug 2013

I know you can't believe that, but it happens all the time. Elderly lady took down Loughner. At a similar situation to OP, another elderly lady popped the gun holder with her handbag.

All of your "could haves," didn't make a bit of difference in the end. A guy -- with the good sense not to tuck a gun in his pants before venturing out -- handled this situation.

ceonupe

(597 posts)

20. the sure can but when you look at mass or spree shooters

Reply to Hoyt (Reply #18)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 10:21 AM

Aug 2013

it usually ends with either the police shooting the shooter or taking him down at gun point. assuming he/she does not kill themself first.

im not one of these people that say everyone needs to be armed in all situations.

and that hero prob was following the local law seeing as civilian guns arent allowed in that building and he may not even carry a gun.

i support peoples right to own firearms each state sets their own rules on CCW and allowed buildings. in this case we have criminal who killed people out of anger (sure his legal team will claim mental illness) and a Hero who was unarmed who was able to subdue and shoot the gun man with his own gun ending the slaughter.

nothing more nothing less.

pray for those lost and much thanks to the brave american