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alp227

(32,047 posts)
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 02:00 AM Aug 2013

Ann Arbor calling on Michigan Legislature to repeal Stand Your Ground law

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In response to the death of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin and the acquittal of the man who shot him, George Zimmerman, the Ann Arbor City Council took a stand Thursday night.

The council voted 10-1 to send a message urging state lawmakers to repeal Michigan's Self Defense Act of 2006, which has similarities to Florida's so-called Stand Your Ground law.

The resolution was sponsored by council members Chuck Warpehoski, Sumi Kailasapathy, Mike Anglin and Sabra Briere.

It notes gun violence is the leading cause of death for black teens and one of the leading causes of death for Latino and American Indian teens.

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Marcia Higgins, D-4th Ward, was the only one to vote against the resolution, arguing it wasn't an issue the council should be weighing in on as a body.

full: http://annarbor.com/news/ann-arbor-calling-on-michigan-legislature-to-repeal-stand-your-ground-law/



Mozhgan Savabieasfahani holds up a sign reading "black life matters" at Thursday night's Ann Arbor City Council meeting. She and several other residents came out to support a resolution calling for the repeal of Michigan's Stand Your Ground law.

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Hmm, that law was passed in 2006? Back then although both houses of the Michigan legislature were Republican-controlled, the governor was Democrat Jennifer Granholm, who did sign all the six such bills. The NRA boasted about its achievement: NRA-Backed Castle Doctrine Bills Become Law in Michigan:

The six-bill Castle Doctrine Package passed with bi-partisan, supermajority support in both houses of the Michigan legislature:

SB 1046, sponsored by Sen. Alan Cropsey, outlines rebuttal presumptions for justified use of self-defense. The bill makes it clear that there is no "duty to retreat" if a person is in a place where they have a legal right to be.

SB 1185, sponsored by Sen. Ron Jelinek, allows for the award of court and attorney fees in civil cases where it was determined a person acted in accordance with the Self Defense Act and where civil immunities apply.

HB 5548, sponsored by Rep. Tim Moore, gives civil immunities to persons acting in accordance with the Self Defense Act, preventing criminals and their families from suing law-abiding citizens.

HB 5153, sponsored by Rep. Leslie Mortimer, puts the burden of proof on the prosecutor to show that a person acted unlawfully in the application of force, rather than the person using the force having to prove they acted lawfully.

HB 5142, sponsored by Rep. Tom Casperson, expands the definition of "dwelling" to include a person’s garage, barn, backyard, etc.

HB 5143, sponsored by Rep. Rick Jones, creates the Self Defense Act and specifies that it is not a crime to use force or deadly force to defend oneself if that person is not breaking any laws when defensive force was used. The person must be facing imminent threat of death or great bodily harm.


In 2006, the Michigan House had a Republican, Democratic ratio 58:52; the Senate 22:16. HB 5143 got a 28-10 vote in the Senate and 90-17 in the House, meaning that even Michigan Democrats significantly supported the bill, assuming that all Republicans voted Yea.

This seems to me like empty political posturing, like the Baltimore City Council member who wants to boycott Florida over the Zimmerman verdict. Again considering the roll call vote on HB 5143: Michigan exists beyond the southeastern counties with Detroit and Ann Arbor where even the Democrats are more pro-gun.
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Ann Arbor calling on Michigan Legislature to repeal Stand Your Ground law (Original Post) alp227 Aug 2013 OP
Good, communities should get together and demand iemitsu Aug 2013 #1
Even JENNIFER GRANHOLM? alp227 Aug 2013 #2
Well I don't know much about Michigan politics or iemitsu Aug 2013 #3
Granholm has actually criticized ALEC when she hosted Current TV's "War Room" alp227 Aug 2013 #4
Both democrats and republicans support iemitsu Aug 2013 #5

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
1. Good, communities should get together and demand
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 03:12 AM
Aug 2013

the repeal of all ALEC sponsored legislation, in every state where their models have been adopted.
ALEC has essentially bribed state-house legislators to sponsor and vote for corporate written bills that have harmed our citizens and communities. It is time to free ourselves from their influence.

alp227

(32,047 posts)
2. Even JENNIFER GRANHOLM?
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 03:26 AM
Aug 2013

So because Granholm signed these ALEC model bills, she's a corporate tool rather than progressive champion?

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
3. Well I don't know much about Michigan politics or
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 03:45 AM
Aug 2013

Jennifer Granholm but its possible she mistook ALEC sponsored legislation as progressive, or like so many other politicians, she took campaign monies from ALEC and didn't give a damn whether or not the legislation was good.
Politicians, like other Americans, choose to believe what they want to believe.

alp227

(32,047 posts)
4. Granholm has actually criticized ALEC when she hosted Current TV's "War Room"
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 03:51 AM
Aug 2013


In fact, Granholm was up for re-election in 2006. Vetoing this bill would be a disaster for her and would install billionaire corporatist Dick DeVos in office. Keep in mind a lot of Democrats in the legislature supported this bill.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
5. Both democrats and republicans support
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 04:00 AM
Aug 2013

ALEC sponsored bills for the same reasons, they want/need the campaign contributions.
They are not supporting the bills because they believe they are good for their citizens, or their states, but because they are being paid to pass the legislation.

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