Nadler had a gastric bypass several years ago and lost a lot of weight. Is this picture from before?

And to be fair, I think this same premise applies to Rush Limbaugh. I recall many posts calling him a "fat" so-and-so, even after he lost weight. Either way, I think it should have little or nothing to do with what we like or dislike about a particular person. After all, I should know. I may be fat, but I make up for it by being ugly and mean.

I get it though. There's plenty to find wrong with Christie other than his weight.

laugh at others' misfortunes. Humanity can be fucked up.

My mother was fat, and suffered through a lot of issues because of it. I don't judge people on how they look, but unfortunately this is America, land of the free and home of the shallow.

if I need a SOB lawyer he would be the one I would get because he knows how to do his job. His weight has nothing to do with his job. I wouldn't vote for him because he is nasty and who knows maybe besides the weight you see your self in him.

I believe the author of the OP is pointing out that attacking someone based on their weight is inapproriate. And in the case of Christie hypocritical since we do not bash overweight democrats.

In any case, you should all read the book "Read My Hips" by Kim Brittingham

who first made the comment. Like I said I got my fat radar up and felt very hurt but what I thought he said. I see how I read it wrong. Thanks for all the comments who pointed it out to me. I big enough (excuse the bun) to say am sorry.

he obviously agreed he was too fat to hold office.

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Christy is still a pig.

I hoped he wouldn't drop dead on me and I never found that concern funny.

He would have been re-elected no matter what.

thanks, you beat me to it and saved me the trouble

I can't imagine WHO the hell would dream of trying to revile this excellent person.

Someone clearly has too much time on his hands.

Thank you for taking the time to surprise some of us with the fact he looks TERRIFIC. He should be very happy: his efforts are paying off for him.

Oh well. Nice try.

Apparently the defense they come up with for this kind of thing (making fun of people because they are fat) is that nailer realized his sinfulness and had gastric bypass surgery to lose weight.

THEREFORE, he no longer can be made fun of.

In other words, it IS okay to make fun of people that are fat, but if they lose weight, they become virtuous and therefore should not be made fun of.

Really sad (and classless)

Gov. Christie is most likely not medically able to handle the rigors of a campaign or hold the office of President which is rigorous as well due to his medical condition of morbid obesity.

Jerrold Nadler was unable to keep up with his duties, as I recall, due to morbid obesity and decided to have a bypass (after trying everything else). He was on Letterman and told the whole story. He was unable to function as he wanted to at the weight he was at. Nothing funny or disgusting about that gentleman, before or after his surgery. I love the guy the way he was and the way he is now.

It's not sinful to be fat. I've stuggled with weight my whole life and I know that my energy levels change with weight and exercise or lack thereof. Therefore, drawing from my own experience I would be shocked if Christie could run for, or fulfill the office of President.

BTW, I would call Chris Christie a loud-mouthed boorish slob/pig even if he were thinner. He's a disgusting bully.

He got our votes when he was heavy because of the positions he took and the hard slogging work he did to get to know the people of his district. He terrified me when he had that dangerous surgery out of desperation.

from the family not to. She lost all of her excess weight, 140# or so, and looks terrific but she's had one health problem after another. She has kept her weight off for 7 years which is commendable. She works very hard at it since many, if not most, who have bypasses relapse. She just has one problem after another though.

so many side effects you can't believe. My weight loss was great but when I hit 50 everything went down hill. I have many medical problems connected with the surgery but I would do it again. Because it isn't fun being made fun of all the time. I was very very heavy. I didn't have any medical problems except being heavy. No problems associated with being heavy many people have. I always worked harder then the skinny person because I never wanted some to say I was lazy because I sure wasn't and many times received bonuses. I would have my cloths made and always dressed nice. I never wanted someone to say I was a slob. I would go and have my hair done once a week. I never took off from work. Stayed when they needed someone to stay. I was single so I always made sure I would stay back when they would close early christmas day so the married ladies could go home and finish what they needed to do. I alway went behond what I needed to do and did it to prove myself. It is sad that people like the poster see people in the wrong light. Maybe instead of making fun look at why his district keeps voting him back in. He must be doing something right. Personnel I would vote for him. He is dedicated to his district. Shame on you. You have no idea what a person who is morbid obese goes through. Sometimes it has nothing to do with what they eat. So get yourself informed it will make you a better person

She is 55 and a medical mess and I blame most of it on the weight loss surgery.

And I remember him from before he ran for Congress. Yep. I elected a fat guy. A whole lot of liberals in a very highly populated district voted for Jerry every two years. Before his surgery. So I'm pretty sure that the one who completely misses the point here is you.

early on, and it's something I've been wretching about for a while.

OK, so Nadler lost weight, but before he did, he was probably more obese than Limbaugh and Christie.

But because he's a Democrat, nobody saw fit to mock his weight, preferring instead to call Limbaugh and Christie fat slobs or whatever the terms were.

With regards to weight issues (or anything involving personal appearance), it's apparently OK to mock Republicans because:

1. It's true
2. They're in the public eye

But it's not OK to do the same to Democrats even though both justifications might apply.

Hypocrisy.

weight was only part of the disgusting package they offered to the public. While maybe not a noble action, when someone is disgusting on the inside, humans tend to start noticing the cover as well......and make note and draw correllations. It's what happens. And fwiw, imho, Christies weight is thrown around enough *bully style* that it's diffucult to ignore.

So it's just more justifications for mocking someone for their outer appearance.

As long as someone is obnoxious enough on the inside, it's OK to trash the outer package?

I never saw anything particularly wrong with Michelle Bachman's appearance, but lots of people mocked her "batshit crazy eyes". What made me wince was the fact that I have a few photos where my eyes look the same as hers. Does that make me "batshit crazy" too? Or only her because she's a Republican and I'm not?

Not only that, but then people felt justified in going after her foster kids.

And then the justification often spills over onto the spouses. Callista Gingrich's eyes.

People have a tendency to cherry-pick and then justify what they're going to make fun of in others. Meanwhile, those of us who may be cursed with some of the same unfortunate attributes aren't fooled for one minute.

like he is wise enough to take care of himself so there is no reason for a thread like this except to try to bash progressives as hypocrites.
It doesn`t fly as people like Rep Nadler actually try to do the work of the people,for the people rather then like repukes who stand up telling everyone they know what is best for them all the while living a life of decadence and trying to destroy this country.

But I sure am trying to bash hypocrites as hypocrites.

You do NOT revel in making fun of people because they are fat or did your momma not tell you that?

Try starting a thread about a woman because she is fat. Let's see how far that gets.

I am just trying to appeal to people's sense of decency.

in their political beliefs and being overweight is a perfect example of how those that want to control every aspect of our personal lives dont care a bit about their own.
That to me is the hypocricy we should be talking about.

A person could have serious issues with food addiction. I won't go into the mechanics of addiction, but suffice it to say that it doesn't involve "stupidity" or even lack of willpower.

was because of stupidity but that his political beliefs were and deserved to be mocked.
He is part of the cabal that wants to control a womans body yet he cant control his own.
It is fair game in my book at that point.
This is why Democrats lose,we try to be oh so fair and nice while these domestic terrorists destroy this country.

-judging and denegrating another human being as being unworthy-

because :

"He is part of the cabal that wants to control a womans body yet he cant control his own.
It is fair game in my book at that point. "

I say that the reason we ALL lose- (not just Dems) is that we justify doing things we don't believe are right OR "fair and nice" by pointing to those we oppose and saying in effect- "it's ok for me to do this, because he does it"-

You have a legitimate beef about Christies policies and actions. Attack THAT, not his person.

We aren't children- we know better.

are all living under a fundie theocracy get back to me on how much good being nice did.

what have you really gotten?

Any means to an end, doesn't usually get you to the end you desired.

It's sad that we can't seem to wrap our brains around this.

You wrote:

all the reason or reasons why and nor do I care exactly his situation is what it is and there is no apparent desire to change it.
Maybe it is because he is stupid,maybe there are other reasons but it still becomes part of the public debate.
No different then bringing up the issues of judgment newtie has had with his philandering or mittens and what kind of President he would be given his religious choices.

that he is the way he is because he doesn't try to be otherwise. You claim to not know- but say that he has no apparent desire to change. That is a judgement -
a pre-judice.

And that prejudice is just as wrong as his- just as he has NO RIGHT to say that people who fall in love with someone of the same sex do so 'by choice' and shouldn't be treated with equal respect or expect to have equal rights, neither do we have the right to condemn him as something less than us based on his physical characteristics.

If you think his bigotry justifies yours, you are no less wrong.

He, unfortunately is in a position to impact the legal aspects of this more than the average person, but all of us have a responsibility to treat others without bigotry or with a judgemental bias.

"Just"us- doesn't work, no matter which party claims the right to use it. If something is wrong for others to do, it's wrong for us to do too.

You're trying to analogize it to the situation of a gay-bashing politician -- many people argue that a politician's private life is his or her own business, and that sexual orientation is not an appropriate subject for public debate, but that there's a legitimate exception that allows outing of a politician who's hypocritically exploiting homophobia.

You write of Christie, "He is part of the cabal that wants to control a womans body yet he cant control his own. It is fair game in my book at that point."

To my mind, that's too much of a stretch. People who have problems with their weight aren't thereby disqualified from having opinions about reproductive rights or even about something like food labeling requirements.

I'll admit my bias: I'm overweight myself (though not in the Limbaugh-Christie league, at least not yet). I agree with the OP. I've always felt somewhat uncomfortable with references to one of those obese right-wingers as a "fat fuck" or the like. We have plenty of other nasty things to say about them that don't raise such issues.

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belittling people because they are fat- short-skinny- tall- or any other physical reason- is wrong and something that should stop.

People say that people are fat by choice. Hmmm... where have we heard that before? Yes, people who are 'fat' can drastically alter their lives and bodies in an attempt to become what society has deemed acceptable, but who are we to reject and marginalize them until they 'conform' to what 'we' declare to be ok? Again, where have we heard that before?

Look at all the lives that have been negatively impacted by the constant harping on changing ones body. Botox, silicone implants, liposuction, anorexia, bulemia, plastic surgery fiascos...People have the right to do what they want with their bodies, but they shouldn't be forced into doing it because society says they aren't acceptable otherwise.

I don't mean to say that being obese is something that people should aspire to, but to frame it as a 'character-deficency' and further stigmatize those who already struggle with their weight is shameful and cruel. We - progressives/dems- should walk our talk on this issue. It's an ugly prejudice.

I think your post makes a good point. It's interesting to watch others try to defend something that is just plain wrong.

with calling out hypocrites of all stripes.

And anyone who proclaims themselves a progressive and then bashes people for their appearance or body size is a hypocrite.

and really doesn't seem to give a shit about his health.

Nadler on the other hand seemed to care enough to have surgery and take care of himself.

Is Christie's health a concern because of his weight--- you betcha.

with heart problems. You know skinny people eat fatten foods also. I know I've seen them and I wonder about that their arteries might be pretty well clogged. My my husband is skinny and he has to watch his cholesterol while I'm heavy and don't have a cholesterol problem. I don't eat fattie food.

He's gained a ton of weight since he came into office.

Please don't try to tell me that skinny people have as many health problems as people that weight over 400 pounds.

People who get on their high horse because they are mad at an SOB of a governor didn't sign the marriage bill. So take it out on the fat people. OMG such hate. Maybe he doesn't want to lose the weight. Maybe when he is ready he'll do it on his own terms not your time table. Grow up all the SOB did was not sign a marriage bill. It isn't hopeless. Don't reelect him next time he comes up.

Knock it off.

Hey Christie, let's make it so fat people can't get married.

or deny him whatever public funded healthcare he has since he isnt taking care of himself.
The hysterics some go into to protect these fascist pieces of shit astounds me.

sorry, but 'fuck' that-

Is it wrong for Christie to be prejudice against gays? hell yes it is. Is it wrong for him to judge those in need as being at fault for their situation? again hell yes.

But if you are trying to say that treating people who are morbidly obese as 'less-than' or to deny them even more rights than society already does- because "they do it"-!!!
then you are no better than them.



It's this kind of f-d up mentality that dooms us all. When are we going to stop the downward spiral?

we shouldnt back away from a fight just to be nice,in your words 'fuck' that.
He is a evil piece of shit,I dont care what his weight is at that point.
The fact is he is part of a terrorist organization that wants to tell women what they can do with their bodies,wants to tell all of us that we need to worship a god of his/their choice.
He is a hypocrite for that and not taking care of himself so I intend to point it out no matter who likes it or not.

and to criticize his words and actions which infringe upon our rights and freedoms is important.

People need to really think about what Christie says- and advocates. He is a rude, arrogant and bigoted man. His policies and actions as Gov. reflect that.

His body size- looks- ethnicity- sexual orentation- age- shouldn't be something used to ridicule or marginalize him. That IS hyprocricy especially when being done by those who claim to be liberal/progressive/deomocrats.

We CLAIM to be those who do not believe that kind of shit is ok- we need to walk our talk, despite what "they" do.

that it makes it OK to use the same tactics against anyone with whom we disagree.

If I think people who spank their kids are rotten, that would give me the right to call those people names based on physical attributes?

If I think people who smoke are obnoxious, that means I can make fun of their weight or facial features?

Nobody has to back away from a fight, but taking a fight into different territory isn't exactly a mature thing to do, either. If the fight involves women's rights to birth control, then that's what the fight is about.

Not the opponent's weight.

It's off-message and looks like the one who brought it up doesn't have a valid argument.

Terribly misdirected call out by the OP.
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any question about timing is irrelevant.

good try though.

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If there are legitimate concerns about his weight impacting his ability to do his job, that's ok. But schoolyard taunts don't help our cause.

If you ever get the chance to spend any time with him, take it.

And you know why?

Well, it's because Nadler is NOT a bullying, homophobic asshole with a god-damned chip on his shoulder the size of Mt. Rushmore, that's why.

Fuck Chris Christie.

There are times when I'm not a nice person, especially when it comes to fucking Republicans.

Hey, while we're at it, let's make fun of Tammy Duckworth for not having any legs.

Maybe the lady who got attacked by the chimpaneze will run for office and then we can have a field day.

True, black people are embarrassed by that ass… I'm sure that I could throw a joke in that somewhere.
But since he's been out of the spotlight lately, any jokes about him now would be a stretch. We'll see if he makes a comeback.

A joke about Tammy's injury? Fuck no. She's an American hero.

And who the hell would joke about that lady who was attacked by a chimp?

... that there is a difference between comparing racism with fatophobia and comparing being black with being fat.

You might get put on ignore for it, even. Oh, the horror! They don't have to face the fact they don't understand WHY bigotry is wrong anymore! It has nothing to do with the oppressed group or any qualities they may or may not possess. It has to do with the need to feel superior to others and the fear and distrust of difference.

And it CERTAINLY has nothing to do with the comparative amounts of evil done in the name of that bigotry. The Oppression Olympics got a gold medalist back in the '40s.

but making fun of appearance or weight, even if it is a dem, is wrong. And you should know it. So making fun of black GOP people for their color is OK also? Or making fun of a GOP homosexual?

Just because he's the president of the New Jersey Chapter of the Fat Bastard Fan Club isn't my problem, it's his.

I pretty much hate his ass and I'll gleefully call him every name in the book.

He's neither gay nor black, so really, that other point of yours is moot.

I don't plan to apologize for mocking him anytime soon. The guy writes his own jokes.

But, if he can someday lose enough blubber to walk the length of a football field without the help of a state issued staff car (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/05/gov_christie_arrives_at_sons_h.html), I might cut him some slack.

But until then, I'll just say that I hope that he doesn't wake up dead one day with a pork chop lodged in his left ventricle.

So, I'm not totally mean to poor old Chris.

Maybe you need to write a couple of first drafts and think about them.

It's not that they bother me that much other than their being really, well, sophomoric and generally of the Maury Povitch level of dumb.

Having read at least average intelligence stuff from you in the past, I thought you might like to know that you seem to have slipped down a notch.

I read it wrong. I am terribly sorry. I get very upset as you can see some of my posts and I took what you said and ran off the cliff. Again I am sorry.

It's fine.

but anyways, he did lose weight through surgery so he knew the health problems with it.

Creative way to make the point.

I've been on juries where people had alerted on posts calling Chris Christie "fat ass" or whatever.
I voted to LEAVE IT because even though I thought it was in bad taste, I thought it was acceptable by community standards since it is so common.

But next time I get that question on a jury, I'll vote to HIDE IT. Because it seems like our community standards are starting to change now.

Good post.

But apparently I'm a minority.

which is a medical condition, is valid for discussion, just as any other medical condition would have a bearing on someone's ability to perform public duties.

but perhaps it's too fine.

Someone like Christie has serious health issues, or will have soon. It's inevitable from a medical standpoint because he is, in fact, morbidly obese. It's the same for people who are anorexic, as opposed to being "skinny." Health issues are associated with anorexia as well and it's at least equally as dangerous.

So do the people who elected Christie.

I'm against the idea that overweight people are not good at anything. That's a broad brush.

He had some surgery in the last couple of years because he was having trouble walking.
Maybe that was the reason, maybe not, but he is WAY down in size. He has even slimmed
down more in the year between December 2010 and December 2011.

So whatever the reason for this post, it's history. Go rant about him using hair dye or
something, because he's no longer fat.

He IS one hell of a bright and very personable guy. Go bash him for that if you dislike that sort of thing.

And I love Jerry Nadler which made it a useful counterpoint to the thread this is referring to which made a fat joke about Chris Christie and then tried to pretend it was actually about how he was UNFIT to hold office because of his health.

So it is immaterial how fat or non-fat jerry is now.

I just flew off the handle because I know the guy. The two House members I know (in one
case, now "knew&quot best, get their share of grief, the other being Gabby Giffords, who got
more than her share.

Now I hear the fat jokes people said behind my back, instead of to my face because they had some understanding that it would be insensitive to say them TO the person they look down on. Now I see how people treated me badly in everyday life -- I wasn't aware of the degree of stigma when I had experienced nothing else.

It might offend him more to say it now than it would have before.