then inside the US many months before the attacks. That DIA program was shut down by Rumsfeld's hatchet man, Steven Cambone during the Spring and Summer of 2001, and the data was ordered erased.

Funny how they can do that but refuse to scrub the billions of records they have of the rest of us.

"It's done it for decades. Post-9/11, it's more stepped up than ever. Information sharing among US spy agencies and local law enforcement nationwide is official US policy.

The pretext is fighting terrorism. It's a ruse. It's about control. It targets dissent. It's about advancing America's imperium. It wants threats challenging it eliminated. "

Eliminated? I don't know what to think of this exactly. Not sure if it's safe to post here or anywhere else on the internet any longer.

And, yes, they do want to eliminate challenges, particularly those that might actually change the way the United States is run.

I'm shocked shocked, that the agencies we created to spy for us actually spy for us.
meanwhile I suppose I should be so outraged over this nonsense that I ignore the fact that gopers are trying to re institute jim crow.

...another poster has been mentioning the 15th amendment in every thread about NSA spying, now we have this one saying that if we're concerned about the spying, that means we don't care about the gop trying to re institute jim crow.

But oddly enough, neither poster has made an OP on the topic of the 15th amendment / the gop trying to re institute jim crow.

Looks like we've identified the latest TP. (talking point, toilet paper -- take your pick)

...in a thread about NSA (and other) spying agencies, yes, that is exactly what it is.

If the american right to vote were a real concern of yours, you'd be bringing it up on its own, rather than trying to use it to distract from the spying issue. Like it or not, that's a dead giveaway.

Your attempt to smear me is laughable, not to mention against DU rules. Since you have decided to stoop so low, I'll just respond in kind: You, sir, can go Cheney yourself, where the sun don't shine, with a sharp stick.

If you think I violated some rule to note that this fake outrage over NSA is nothing but a distraction from real infringement on American rights (such as the right to vote). Go and report me.

Don't know or care if your attempts at bullying works on others but it sure as hell won't work with me.

As for your lame gratuitous insult, right back at ya. And the horse you rode in on.

...is the one I noted to begin with: a shiny new talking point has made its appearance in these threads.

Good luck trying to sell it.

They spy ON us. They were created to spy FOR us, but they are spying ON us. See the difference?

Obama went to the FISA court he is within the law. Spare me your fake outrage that our spy agencies spy. Or maybe your outrage is over the fact that a Black president is wielding the power congress granted to the executive branch. In either case get over it.

1. It's been going on forever, so it's okay.
2. We're just out to "get" Obama.
3. We're racists.
4. It's okay because it's "legal."