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Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:27 AM Aug 2013

Great. Now Both Sides in Egypt Hate Us.

Just finished listening to DemocracyNow this morning. Seems American journalists are being attacked by both sides in Egypt's growing civil war. And leaders on both sides have made anti-American statements.

Bottom line: we used to be Bad News but With Money. Now we're just Bad News.

We're experts at destabilizing any government we wish. Restoring order? Not so much.

The Collapse of Empire is no joke. Pax Americana is going away. What will replace it and will we fight to the death to prevent being replaced? Stay tuned....

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Great. Now Both Sides in Egypt Hate Us. (Original Post) Junkdrawer Aug 2013 OP
If I posted some of the pics of Obama on the posters that some protestors carry dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #1
Someone on DU posted something to the effect that one thing is ... Americans do RKP5637 Aug 2013 #2
Having the World's superpower isolated by two great oceans turns out.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #5
Definitely, true. ... becomes inbred group think ... n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #6
Stay out of that part of the world Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #3
I suspect that we approached Morsi in his declining days with a plan.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #4
Probably Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #7
As the Primary Power declines, secondary powers emerge and fight for control... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #8
So true Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #10
I agree. It's a lose/lose situation for us. LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #12
We need to side with Blaspherian Aug 2013 #9
Wait, what? Perchance you mean anti-Islamist? or anti-Fundamentalist? nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #16
We need to support a secular state with religious freedom FarCenter Aug 2013 #20
I'm pretty sure they hated us before... Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #11
Yes and no.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #13
Well of course Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #14
By "Pax Americana" do you mean continuous war in the Middle East to keep high oil prices? Coyotl Aug 2013 #15
Yeah, I caught that too. There was no Pax Americana and certainly nothing resembling the stevenleser Aug 2013 #17
I'm sure that when pax Romana was in its prime.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #19
I'm sure that when pax Romana was in its prime.... Coyotl Aug 2013 #21
Agreed. Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #22
Pax Americana was always a "such as it is" thing..... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #18

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
1. If I posted some of the pics of Obama on the posters that some protestors carry
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:29 AM
Aug 2013

They would be alerted on immediately.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
2. Someone on DU posted something to the effect that one thing is ... Americans do
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:40 AM
Aug 2013

not get the full picture of what is going on relative to how we are really viewed by the rest of the world. Most Americans get a sanitized view of world affairs, and frankly little mass consumption reporting in the US truly covers the worldview. We, get a slanted view and are always trumped as the good guys no matter what it is, generally. Hence, many wander in the US woefully uninformed ... and then wonder WTF, how come all the world doesn't love us.


Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
5. Having the World's superpower isolated by two great oceans turns out....
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:48 AM
Aug 2013

to be an advantage for the rulers, a disadvantage for the nation.

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
3. Stay out of that part of the world
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:43 AM
Aug 2013

they have their own demons to grapple with (dictatorships, factions of Islam, wealth disparity, etc). The west makes things worse by coming in as some kind of white knight...

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
4. I suspect that we approached Morsi in his declining days with a plan....
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:46 AM
Aug 2013

to reverse the defeat of anti-Assad forces with an Egyptian intervention.

Talk about throwing gasoline on a fire....

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
7. Probably
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:53 AM
Aug 2013

but the Royal families in Arabia that hold power are throwing their weight ($$$) around to change the landscape as they see fit but there probably is infighting between the royal families as well.

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
10. So true
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:01 AM
Aug 2013

and it will come back to bite the royal families in the arabian peninsula as they are playing both sides of the fence in a schism taking place all over the region.

LuvNewcastle

(16,849 posts)
12. I agree. It's a lose/lose situation for us.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:08 AM
Aug 2013

We would save a lot of money and a hell of a lot of grief if we stayed out of it. Let them fight it out and then deal with whoever is left standing when the smoke clears. But there are some very rich and powerful people who stand a lot to gain by keeping us involved in every conflict around the world. Unfortunately, they are the people who really guide our foreign policy.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
20. We need to support a secular state with religious freedom
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:06 AM
Aug 2013

Or do you support antidisestablishmentarianism?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
11. I'm pretty sure they hated us before...
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:02 AM
Aug 2013

Something about our unquestioning unilateral support of Israel *could* have something to do with it; if I may hazard a guess...

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
13. Yes and no....
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:11 AM
Aug 2013

During the first Arab Spring revolution. US journalists were seen as vehicles to get the truth out. Now, both sides see them as propaganda agents.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
14. Well of course
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:28 AM
Aug 2013

The Arab Spring had a much sharper line defining "us-them/good-bad", and unconscionable violence committed against (mostly) peaceful protestors makes for good news footage...The people WANTED the world to see the atrocities committed against them...

But now the line is much, much murkier and neither side has much moral high ground to stand on...There's no way for either side to make it look good in front of the foreign press when both sides have shed so much blood...

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
15. By "Pax Americana" do you mean continuous war in the Middle East to keep high oil prices?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:35 AM
Aug 2013

Or am I missing something?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
17. Yeah, I caught that too. There was no Pax Americana and certainly nothing resembling the
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:38 AM
Aug 2013

pax Romana.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
19. I'm sure that when pax Romana was in its prime....
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:57 AM
Aug 2013

the nations occupied by Roman troops didn't see it as a wonderful peace.

It's only by contrast AFTER they left....

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
21. I'm sure that when pax Romana was in its prime....
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:23 AM
Aug 2013

I'm sure that when pax Romana was in its prime....

the slaves captured by Roman troops didn't see it as a wonderful time.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
18. Pax Americana was always a "such as it is" thing.....
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:47 AM
Aug 2013

And the rapid unwinding of the peace now is no doubt a "feature" of the US and Britain opposing independent democracies over the years.

But when a massive Imperial power is in its prime, secondary wanta bes are kept in control. Now they're emerging.

I was never a fan of "Empire on the Cheap" Pax Americana. But there will be even darker days ahead as it declines.

Think of it like when an extremely powerful Mafia Don dies.

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