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tuvor

(15,663 posts)
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:31 PM Aug 2013

Fuck MAD Magazine!

From their Facebook page:

PRIVATE’S PARTS DEPT.
A Bradley/Chelsea Manning Action Figure We're Sure to See

In what is surely a new standard for chutzpah, convicted traitor Private Bradley Manning announced that while he’s serving prison time for betraying his country, he would like that same country to pay for hormone treatments so he can become Chelsea Manning! Ironically, such an outrageous demand does take balls. Science can transform a person’s gender — it’s too bad it can’t transform a person into less of a douche.




Give 'em an earful here, a lot of replies are quite negative, which is good to see:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/MAD-Magazine/115919138428537
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Fuck MAD Magazine! (Original Post) tuvor Aug 2013 OP
Offended by Mad Magazine? Bay Boy Aug 2013 #1
They never used to kick marginalized groups around, at least not during my formative years. tuvor Aug 2013 #12
Very true...this makes it seem like freepers are running it now...nt joeybee12 Aug 2013 #32
True mockmonkey Aug 2013 #35
haha, oh my! GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #2
So, of course, the first thing to do is bring it here and broadcast it as far & wide as possible. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #3
Uh, it's already been broadcast on Facebook. They have a slightly wider reach than DU. tuvor Aug 2013 #9
Since I'm keeping your thread bumped Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #11
I really don't care if I help increase their bottom line by a few cents. tuvor Aug 2013 #13
"Maybe if ... you'd better understand why this upsets me." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #15
Yes, yes, you're very clever. Have a good day. tuvor Aug 2013 #19
I didn't see it on my facebook feed. (no text) Quantess Aug 2013 #17
Apparently you aren't trying hard enough to be offended and spreading it around. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #20
. MrSlayer Aug 2013 #4
Revolting. enlightenment Aug 2013 #5
It's not about political spin it's about butchering as many sacred cows as possible. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #8
Manning isn't a sacred cow. enlightenment Aug 2013 #16
Manning also used gender to try and score a lighter sentence under some quasi-diminished capacity Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #18
I disagree with your assessment. enlightenment Aug 2013 #25
Wow... joeybee12 Aug 2013 #33
Oh grow-up. There are no prejudices in what I posted. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #34
It's MAD Magazine for a reason LittleBlue Aug 2013 #6
This. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #29
It's MAD magazine for Christmas Christ sake! AmyStrange Aug 2013 #7
It's ridiculous right... AmyStrange Aug 2013 #10
Completely unclassy, well below their good standards. Homophobic and right-wing. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #14
Wow! MAD hurting for customers THAT BAD? Rex Aug 2013 #21
I don't think Bradley Manning is highly regarded by most Americans. NaturalHigh Aug 2013 #22
This may cost Mad Magazine some credibility in the politics and policy arena. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #23
Lol...this has to be the first DU thread ever that treats MAD BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #27
Bunch of transphobic shit. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #24
Earful delivered. nt riqster Aug 2013 #26
Doesn't Time - Warner own Mad... thatgemguy Aug 2013 #28
Taking sides usually isn't smart for a magazine that has a "we mock everybody" tradition. 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2013 #30
MAD magazine went straight to shit after Gaines died LadyHawkAZ Aug 2013 #31
they have gone after conservatives for years-i will forgive them for this dembotoz Aug 2013 #36
that was quick! spanone Aug 2013 #37

tuvor

(15,663 posts)
12. They never used to kick marginalized groups around, at least not during my formative years.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:55 PM
Aug 2013

It was the powerful that they so often mocked.

I used to idolize MAD in the 70s and 80s. It really affected the way I looked at the world, but I haven't read it much since they got bought by Time-Warner or whomever it was, so maybe I'm just late in understanding their current mindset.

mockmonkey

(2,834 posts)
35. True
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 07:21 PM
Aug 2013

I learned a lot from Mad in the 60's. But it definitely is not the same company today. When William Gaines died so did Mad.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
3. So, of course, the first thing to do is bring it here and broadcast it as far & wide as possible.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:39 PM
Aug 2013

"In order to raise public awareness I handed out ten thousand copies of this pamphlet I found offensive!"

tuvor

(15,663 posts)
9. Uh, it's already been broadcast on Facebook. They have a slightly wider reach than DU.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:45 PM
Aug 2013

And thanks for helping to bring attention to this thread!

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
11. Since I'm keeping your thread bumped
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:52 PM
Aug 2013

Will that increase or decrease the number of people who see the graphic? Will that increase or decrease the number of people who click through to chortle or complain? Will that increase or decrease their advertising rates?

They are in the publicity-seeking business and that is how they generate revenue (unlike your thread).

tuvor

(15,663 posts)
13. I really don't care if I help increase their bottom line by a few cents.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:03 PM
Aug 2013

It's impossible to register one's offense without bringing attention to the offender. That's not a reason not to express one's offense.

Maybe if you had read almost every issue from the 70s and 80s, you'd better understand why this upsets me.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
15. "Maybe if ... you'd better understand why this upsets me."
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:07 PM
Aug 2013

I guess this would be a bad time to also tell you there's no real Santa Clause either.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
5. Revolting.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:41 PM
Aug 2013

They've always been pubescent in their humor, but this is grotesque - and when did they spin to the right, anyway?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
8. It's not about political spin it's about butchering as many sacred cows as possible.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:44 PM
Aug 2013

It's their schtick. If someone isn't offended they are trying hard enough. Manning is currently in the news so it's his turn.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
16. Manning isn't a sacred cow.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:09 PM
Aug 2013

She's a human being and her gender has been used to score juvenile - and yes, political - points.

Would it be acceptable for them to do the same based on someone's race? How about a physical disability? Should we admire their chutzpah for that?

I read MAD when I was a kid - many, many years ago - I seem to recall it was smarter than this - that could be because of distance. That said, I get juvenile humor even if I don't find it amusing. This goes way beyond schtick. It's nasty.

So, yeah - they achieved their goal and offended many, many people. They just didn't do it by "butchering" the sacred cow of Manning's actions. They did it by attacking her for what she is and that's wrong.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
18. Manning also used gender to try and score a lighter sentence under some quasi-diminished capacity
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:22 PM
Aug 2013

defense after good people struggled for years to not be denied security clearances or admission to the services. Please remember that the reason gays were barred from service is because they were deemed mentally unbalanced and as such they were labeled security risks. Now, in the aftermath of the biggest security breach case in US history the defense team pleads for a lighter sentence claiming gender identity issues left Manning in such turmoil he couldn't be held to the same standard as everyone else.

We can debate until our fingers fall off whether or not Manning betrayed the US but it seems pretty obvious he betrayed those who simply want to serve the nation they love without fear of retaliation for who they are off-duty.

I would decry a general homophobic attack but Manning has been a little too self-serving in this regard to merit much sympathy; certainly nothing worthy of pitchforks and torches over a publisher that makes it a point to offend as many people as possible on any given day.

I also predict as soon as MAD publishes their next article skewering Christians and/or Republicans they will quickly find themselves returned to the good graces of those who demand we hate them for all time henceforth. Then we will see that it isn't really MAD Magazine that has supposedly betrayed progressive principles.

If people are so emotionally desperate to be upset about something they should go slam their fingers in the car door. Same result without as much noise on the internet.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
25. I disagree with your assessment.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:11 PM
Aug 2013

But you're convinced and I'm tired of debating it today.

Feel as you must and I'll do the same.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
34. Oh grow-up. There are no prejudices in what I posted.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 07:18 PM
Aug 2013

Gays were denied the right to serve because they were considered security risks. That is a historical fact. Calling out the self-serving cynical ploy of "I couldn't help myself because..." when it harms good people genuinely trying to break down barriers is not prejudiced; it's the exact opposite. I am not beholden to unthinking hero worship just because Manning stuck his thumb in Bush's eye. Credit and blame should be applied where they are due even if they must fall on the same person.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
6. It's MAD Magazine for a reason
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:42 PM
Aug 2013

I support Manning, but this is par for the course for that publication.

Might as well get offended at the nonsense in the tabloids.

 

AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
7. It's MAD magazine for Christmas Christ sake!
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:44 PM
Aug 2013

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but good catch, ya never know whatever subversive tactics they'll use, like trying to destroying Superman... uh, forget that.

Good catch!

d

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AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
10. It's ridiculous right...
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:46 PM
Aug 2013

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I think that's the point. It's as ridiculous as the charges.

Just my opinion,

d

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NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
22. I don't think Bradley Manning is highly regarded by most Americans.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:45 PM
Aug 2013

It's no surprise to me that a popular magazine would make fun of him.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
23. This may cost Mad Magazine some credibility in the politics and policy arena.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:57 PM
Aug 2013

After they've worked so hard to build it up, too. Shame.

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
30. Taking sides usually isn't smart for a magazine that has a "we mock everybody" tradition.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 07:01 PM
Aug 2013

And taking THAT side is even less smart.

dembotoz

(16,844 posts)
36. they have gone after conservatives for years-i will forgive them for this
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 07:24 PM
Aug 2013

some times jokes don't go over as well you think they do.

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