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tapermaker

(244 posts)
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 07:24 PM Aug 2013

my cousins husband is an NRA instructor.

He has guns in his home I didn't even know exist. Last year after the movie theater shooting I asked him was it really necessary to allow 100 round clips. His answer was they were a hoot to use and he had fun using his to kill prairie dogs in se Oregon.
My cousin has been one of my favorites since I was old enough to remember. She has gone along with the nra stuff since they got married. recently she has said in private to me that she doesn't condone the recent political actions of the nra ,but stays quite to keep the peace at home.
Recently she asked me if I would like to make here a bamboo fly rod for an auction she was having. I made one up for her and told here to start bidding at 600.00 but it was worth 1300.00 she thanked me and told me she would get me a receipt I could use for tax purposes. well I just received the form filled out by her .I thought it was for her church because she is a Episcopalian that goes to church every weekend. I come to find out the auction was on behalf of the NRA not the church. I immediately felt sick .I think she played me and knew I wouldn't do it for her if it was for NRA .Hell, I didn't even know they were a non profit. I feel like confronting her but I know she was pressured by her husband. Maybe I should just go directly to him and tell him to leave me out of any future "charity " projects. I guess I am looking for ideas on how to deal with this before the next family gathering. If I don't plan ahead there is going to be fireworks. . dammit ,this is really under my skin

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my cousins husband is an NRA instructor. (Original Post) tapermaker Aug 2013 OP
A person who says what's in the first paragraph is a sociopath. 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2013 #1
You've jumped to an awful assumption... Bay Boy Aug 2013 #9
Church? I don't give a flying fuck about church. 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2013 #14
Over prairie dogs? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #35
Everything looks normal to you, huh? 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2013 #39
Yay! Bullshit amateur psychoanalysis via them interwebz! Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #15
Hooray for internet psychoanalysis! dairydog91 Aug 2013 #16
You could chose to say nothing at all and consider it a lesson learned. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #2
I think you need to let her know that Ilsa Aug 2013 #3
Agreed. You were used. Swamp Lover Aug 2013 #4
I would drop it, but I would definately ask about future auctions in the future. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #5
I think you should definitely mention it to her - ask her if she deliberately petronius Aug 2013 #6
I would be pissed. Really a horrible thing to do when they knew how you felt. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #7
You're all bent out of shape because Bay Boy Aug 2013 #8
The poster explained how he or she found out. The tax form the cousin sent listed the NRA bluestate10 Aug 2013 #11
I've got to work on my Bay Boy Aug 2013 #13
Yes. 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2013 #18
did you read the op? logical assumption thinking it was for a religious charity, imo. eom ellenfl Aug 2013 #12
it was on the tax form she gave me tapermaker Aug 2013 #23
Leave the confrontation alone. Just refuse to do any more craft work for your cousin. bluestate10 Aug 2013 #10
Yeah but guns aren't for killing Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #17
I've owned firearms for over 50 years and have never killed anything with one. ... spin Aug 2013 #19
Norway. Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #20
Anders Breivik had serious mental health issues like many mass murderers. ... spin Aug 2013 #22
Maybe she assumed you would think it was for the NRA? dkf Aug 2013 #21
You are correct to be disturbed by their behavior. greatlaurel Aug 2013 #24
there is a lesson here for both of you. aikoaiko Aug 2013 #25
Maybe you asked the wrong question about "100 round clips." You should ask to see it. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #26
what?please explain better if you want me to know what your tapermaker Aug 2013 #27
Have you ever seen "100 round clips"? Amazingly, no one else has either. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #28
no. tapermaker Aug 2013 #29
He's trying to jam you with the "clips" vs. "magazines" thing. Ignore him. Paladin Aug 2013 #32
I don't blame you for being upset. avebury Aug 2013 #30
As others have said, confront her about it and don't wait until the next family gathering. Gormy Cuss Aug 2013 #31
"I immediately felt sick" rl6214 Aug 2013 #33
well, if i must. tapermaker Aug 2013 #36
Thank you, I appreciate your response rl6214 Aug 2013 #37
I would send back that form. OldEurope Aug 2013 #34
Please accept my condolences for your losses. greatlaurel Aug 2013 #38

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
1. A person who says what's in the first paragraph is a sociopath.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 07:29 PM
Aug 2013

Your cousin is in deep, deep trouble.

Do they have kids?

Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
9. You've jumped to an awful assumption...
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:33 PM
Aug 2013

...seeing how the wife is an Episcopalian the odds are he is too and they are considered a very liberal church.

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
14. Church? I don't give a flying fuck about church.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:47 PM
Aug 2013

What part of "first paragraph" didn't you get? Anyway, here's it:

"He has guns in his home I didn't even know exist. Last year after the movie theater shooting I asked him was it really necessary to allow 100 round clips. His answer was they were a hoot to use and he had fun using his to kill prairie dogs in se Oregon."

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. You could chose to say nothing at all and consider it a lesson learned.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 07:32 PM
Aug 2013

But it sounds like you really want to get it off your chest.

Any hope you can call her just to say that you're glad the auction was successful but that you're really disappointed that she didn't tell you about the NRA angle?

If you and she are close it ought to be OK to just clear the air about it and move on.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
3. I think you need to let her know that
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 07:33 PM
Aug 2013

you don't appreciate being used like that. See if she apologizes, which I think should be a minimum response from her.

But for real penance, you should ask her for a contribution to your favorite politician running for office.

But that's just me.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
5. I would drop it, but I would definately ask about future auctions in the future.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:24 PM
Aug 2013

If you need to talk to her or him about it, then do so after you cool off a bit, if you're still heated.

petronius

(26,604 posts)
6. I think you should definitely mention it to her - ask her if she deliberately
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:25 PM
Aug 2013

neglected to name the 'charity' because she knew you would decline, and explain how deceitful and offensive that would be. It's not as if you just cleared out the back of your closet, after all - a handmade rod is a pretty major expenditure of your time and skill.

And I wouldn't wait until the next gathering - give her a call...

Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
8. You're all bent out of shape because
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:29 PM
Aug 2013

you assumed it was for her church? You know what they say about assuming things don't you?

How was you that you found out the auction benefited the NRA?

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
11. The poster explained how he or she found out. The tax form the cousin sent listed the NRA
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:35 PM
Aug 2013

as the beneficiary. The form was needed to claim the donation of the rod during income tax filings.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
10. Leave the confrontation alone. Just refuse to do any more craft work for your cousin.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:33 PM
Aug 2013

If she asks why, explain to her what you found when you did the rod and saw the tax form and that you don't support organizations that you have moral objections to.

Kingofalldems

(38,487 posts)
17. Yeah but guns aren't for killing
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:56 PM
Aug 2013

They're for target practice and such. People only hunt for food anyway. And the best part is being in the fresh air. They really love animals and are really sad to have to kill them.

spin

(17,493 posts)
19. I've owned firearms for over 50 years and have never killed anything with one. ...
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:43 PM
Aug 2013

I have punched a lot of holes in paper targets.

It would be nice to reach a time in our nation where firearms are only owned by hunters, target shooters, collectors and those who live in extremely dangerous neighborhoods or work in law enforcement.

I grew up in a rural area in northern Ohio back in the 1950s and 1960s. Few people who had no real reason to own a firearm had one in their house.

The sad part is the gun crime in general is falling to levels last seen in the late 1960s but neither the NRA or the gun control advocates stress this fact. Both sides either recommend buying a firearm to prevent a criminal attack or to impose strong restrictions on firearm ownership in order to reduce the rise of violent crime in our nation.

Crime Drops to All-Time Low
JUN 12, 2012 02:30 PM ET // BY SHEILA M. ELDRED

Kids today may not be running around the neighborhood without fear like Beaver Cleaver, but the country is in the midst of low levels of crime not seen in decades, according to a report released this week by the FBI.

Violent crime, which has been falling for five years, decreased 4 percent in 2011, according to the Preliminary Annual Uniform Crime Report. Murders are at the lowest point in 40 years. Violent crime, according to the FBI, includes murder, rape, robbery and assault.
http://news.discovery.com/human/violent-crime-statistics-120612.htm


Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008
Annual Rates for 2009 and 2010

Alexia Cooper and Erica L. Smith, BJS Statisticians

***snip***

Long term trends and patterns
In the last decade (since 2000) the homicide rate declined to levels last seen in the mid-1960s
 The homicide rate doubled from the early 1960s to the late 1970s, increasing from 4.6 per 100,000 U.S. residents in 1962 to 9.7 per 100,000 by 1979 (figure 1). (See Methodology for information on rate calculations.)
 In 1980 the rate peaked at 10.2 per 100,000 and subsequently fell to 7.9 per 100,000 in 1984.
 The rate rose again in the late 1980s and early 1990s to another peak in 1991 of 9.8 per 100,000.
 The homicide rate declined sharply from 9.3 homicides per 100,000 in 1992 to 4.8 homicides per 100,000 in 2010.

***snip***

Trends by weapon type
Homicides were most often committed with handguns
 Handgun-involved incidents increased sharply in the late 1980s and early 1990s before falling to a low in 2008.
 Homicides committed with guns other than handguns hit a low point in 1999, but have increased since then.
 From 1980 through 2008, homicides involving weapons other than firearms have declined slightly or remained steady (figure 42).
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf


What really frustrates me is that I thought our nation would pass some rational laws to help curb gun violence after the shooting in Newtown such as universal background checks and improvements to our NICS background check. Unfortunately the gun control advocates and the media pushed hard for another assault weapons ban and the result was that nothing passed at a national level. However thousands of citizens ran down to their local gun stores and wiped the shelves clean of all types of firearms and ammunition.

Today we have millions more firearms in the hands of people who have little use for them and often who lack the necessary training to safely handle and store them properly.

spin

(17,493 posts)
22. Anders Breivik had serious mental health issues like many mass murderers. ...
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 12:00 AM
Aug 2013
On 8 June 2012, Professor of Psychiatry Ulrik Fredrik Malt testified in court as an expert witness, stating that he finds it unlikely that Breivik is schizophrenic. According to Malt, Breivik suffers from Asperger syndrome, Tourette syndrome, narcissistic personality disorder and possibly paranoid psychosis.[106]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik
 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
21. Maybe she assumed you would think it was for the NRA?
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:54 PM
Aug 2013

Really you can't blame her for your wrong assumption. The fact she gave you a receipt shows she is being on the up and up.

And you are jumping to assumptions again about her motivations. You got it wrong the last time. Maybe you should take it easy and just ask next time?

Getting upset over someone else's SO's politics is a losing proposition, IMO.

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
24. You are correct to be disturbed by their behavior.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 12:07 PM
Aug 2013

The number of replies that are completely unsympathetic shows how many toxic personalities haunt the internet. Your cousin and her husband intentionally mislead you which shows they have serious personality issues. I highly recommend a book titled Toxic Coworkers: How to Deal With Dysfunctional People on the Job. While this is a family situation, the book was very helpful to me in dealing with a dysfunctional sibling.

Do not let people tell you that it is your fault. They are wrong. You are on the moral high ground here. If I think of anything else I will post here again. Good luck!

aikoaiko

(34,184 posts)
25. there is a lesson here for both of you.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 12:25 PM
Aug 2013

You didn't care to ask what the auction as for.

You should tell her how you feel about the situation, but recognize your own part in it. It important for her to know that you feel betrayed by the omission.

I don't understand why this would be a "fireworks" situation or why you would go to the husband? Its your cousin who made the deal.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
26. Maybe you asked the wrong question about "100 round clips." You should ask to see it.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 12:40 PM
Aug 2013

They are like a KJV Biblical animal: unicorns ( Num. 23:22; 24:8; Dt. 33:17; Job 39, 9-10; Psa. 22:21; 29:6; 92:10; Isa. 34, 7). They don't exist.

 

tapermaker

(244 posts)
29. no.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:05 PM
Aug 2013

I just went off what the news at the time said of the incident. When I asked david about them ,he seemed to know what I meant.

Paladin

(28,276 posts)
32. He's trying to jam you with the "clips" vs. "magazines" thing. Ignore him.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:33 PM
Aug 2013

The fact is, the two terms have been used interchangeably in the firearms community for generations.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
30. I don't blame you for being upset.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:18 PM
Aug 2013

If she recently told you in private that she " doesn't condone the recent political actions of the NRA but stays quiet to keep peace at home", I wonder if she was lying to you and pulling a fast one on you. Do you think that she flat out lied to you about her thoughts on the NRA? If she knew what your thoughts are on the NRA she have realized that you would never agree to help her with the auction "she was having" if you any belief that it was on behalf of the NRA. Holding an auction for the NRA shows that she is an active participant in the process and not just keeping quiet to keep the peace in the family.

After you calm down and can think out what you want to say to her I would definitely call her on it and tell her point blank to leave you out of any future fund raising efforts. It sounds like you care a lot more for your cousin then she cares for you.

Her husband sounds like he has a screw loose too. I don't know if you have any children but, if you do, is this someone you want to have around them?

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
31. As others have said, confront her about it and don't wait until the next family gathering.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:19 PM
Aug 2013

By confront I don't mean be angry and accusatory, just direct. Tell her how you feel about having your work go to an NRA auction, why you believe she should have known this would upset you, and how you plan to respond to her requests in the future. That you didn't ask who would benefit from the donation is a minor issue because you trusted her.

Mail the tax receipt back to send and tell them you wouldn't have offered it up to an auction had you known that it would be auctioned off for/by the NRA.

IOW, get this out from under your skin by taking positive steps.

 

rl6214

(8,142 posts)
33. "I immediately felt sick"
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:37 PM
Aug 2013

I see comments or statements like this often but find them hard to believe sometimes. Could you elaborate please?

 

tapermaker

(244 posts)
36. well, if i must.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:58 PM
Aug 2013

I have a bit of history with gun deaths .I lost my grandfather to suicide ,and had a friend in grade school who accidently blew his head off with a shotgun when we were 12 during summer vacation.I was the one who found him. I also lost my uncle to suicide back when I was 15. He was accused of sleeping with an underage girl ,and was about to go to prison. He shot himself in an ally next to mary`s club ( a bar he frequented in downtown Portland.)I have never owned my own firearm even though I am 54 yrs old. I have a baseball bat in the corner behind the front door for self defense.
I don't like guns, and believe it or not I do get physical symtoms when around them.

OldEurope

(1,273 posts)
34. I would send back that form.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:45 PM
Aug 2013

And if your cousin asks why, you should tell her about your feelings. Ask her to forward that money to some homeless shelter or something.
I feel so sorry for you.

Edited to add: If you can afford it!

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
38. Please accept my condolences for your losses.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 04:31 PM
Aug 2013

My suggestion is to take the tax deduction and use the money you save on taxes to make a donation to Mayors Against Illegal Guns, the Brady Campaign, the Humane Society or even your local suicide prevention organization. You are owed the tax deduction and should take it IMO. However, by using the money you save to support a cause you agree with you are taking positive action, turning a negative into a positive.

You should check with the IRS to make sure what your cousin and her husband are running is a legitimate charity event. If you have never talked to the IRS, you will be surprised how helpful they are. Just call now instead of during tax season. The IRS agent I talked to about a capital gains issue saved me thousands of dollars.

I would make a note on my calendar and make a donation in their name every year in memory of your loved ones to an anti gun violence organization or mental health org in the future, too.

One more thing that I found disturbing is your cousin's husband's talk about shooting prairie dogs. It is a disturbing symptom of deeper psych issues. Be careful around him.

Good luck and take care of yourself.

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