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senseandsensibility

(17,077 posts)
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 12:24 AM Aug 2013

The senseless violence is making me cry.

I've shed many tears over Trayvon Martin, and started a thread about it asking DUers to check in if they were white and thought Zimmerman should have been convicted. I put it that way because the media was portraying it as if only blacks cared or disagreed with the verdict. I am proud to say that it received over 400 recs, but did nothing to make anyone feel better.

Now I am in tears about the Australian jogger who was shot for no reason. Today I read about the WWII vet who was beaten to death for no reason. Senseless, horrific violence.

There is something wrong with our culture, and it is getting to me tonight. I'm usually not this emotional, but I may have just reached a tipping point of sorts.

Anyone else?

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senseandsensibility

(17,077 posts)
2. The desire to hurt someone perceived as weaker or different than you
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 12:30 AM
Aug 2013

is just something I can't relate to.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
6. Same here
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 01:05 AM
Aug 2013

It is easy to forget with all our technology that we are still animals. Being the most intelligent animal seemingly does not free us from senseless violent urges.

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
3. I have a strange belief I suppose.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 12:45 AM
Aug 2013

An analogy would be economic inflation. The more money printed, the less value for each individual dollar.

There are too many rats in the cage and it induces aggressive behavior. My discussion continues based upon that personal axiom.

I sincerely believe that population pressures spur violent and abnormal behavior. Because overpopulation is such a sensitive issue, I doubt it will ever be addressed in my lifetime. I don't know if it can ever be morally addressed. Further, our economic system is based upon growth.

At some time we have to put weights on a balance scale and see which way it tips. Unsustainable demand will force the issue. When the number of people suffering due to population pressure is disproportionate to individual right to produce multiple offspring, there must be a discussion on how we view basic morality.

It will be a nightmarish debate dwarfing issues such as abortion, gender equality, or sexual orientation. It will be the great social debate of the future.

Before we ever reach that point, though, we will be forced to debate the issue of the perceived diminishing value of human life due to life "inflation".

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
4. It's not such a strange belief though it is complicated.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 12:57 AM
Aug 2013

One way or another, the earth will win. The question is how will it win? Will we be part of the conclusion or just swept away by our own mistakes?

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
7. That is an insightful post
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 01:11 AM
Aug 2013

It is the thing hanging over our heads that no one wants to admit. People think that it will go on as it always has. At some point, like you say, there may be so many people that life is viewed as disposable.

I hope to never see it.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
12. Yet all these took place in small town America. Republican ones at that.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 02:42 AM
Aug 2013

Japans population density is 100 times that of america's yet they have a fraction the violence. The true factor is economic inequality. The higher the inequality of a society the more crime and mental disease. America's economic inequality is the highest in US history right now. So.........

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
17. 100 times the population density of America might be a bit of a stretch
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 04:21 AM
Aug 2013

US land area= 25 times that of Japan
US population= 2.5 times that of Japan
Japan's population density= approx. 10 times that of the US
or, expressed in another way, Japan has 4 times the population density of California.

Japan is a relatively homogeneous society that has long had a large population. Rather than "rugged individualism in limitless spaces", Japan developed a social philosophy of "grin and bear it" and "sink or swim together". That includes putting up with a lot of irritating things that Americans would have trouble dealing with, and greater acceptance of "sharing the wealth" so that income disparity is not as great of a problem in Japan as it is in the US. Japan also has strict gun control.

rainy

(6,092 posts)
13. If capitalism wasn't wasting
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 03:35 AM
Aug 2013

so much of our natural resources and creating scarcity would there be a population issue? The earth is abundant but the money system maintains scarcity for profit.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
5. I am with you.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 01:05 AM
Aug 2013

I believe there really is something wrong with humankind in general. My long answer would end up a thesis so I won't go there. But I do believe that for whatever reason, we are devolving socially, culturally and according to geneticists even genetically. It doesn't have to be a dead end but if humanity doesn't get its love on strait, the ride will not be easy.

I have bad days and I think it's good to feel and think as well as mourn. But then we have to get on the truck and live life to its fullest and support humankind the best we can. Trying to be the solution is a lot more rewarding than living the cause.

Be well!

senseandsensibility

(17,077 posts)
11. Thank you for understanding (or trying to) my horror
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 02:18 AM
Aug 2013

at the moment. It has progressed beyond malaise or uneasiness into something else. "Mourn" is a good term for it. That's what I'm doing tonight. I have spent many years trying to be part of the solution and I hope those years aren't over. Maybe I need to allow myself to feel the full depth of my despair or grief before delving back into the fray. I do spend quite a lot of time glossing over my feelings, but tonight it wasn't happening. Tomorrow I hope that I see it differently.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
8. I see it as signs of the breaking point, social stress fractures.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 01:33 AM
Aug 2013

As the disparity between the dream we were promised and the reality we live widens, we, as a society, are under ever increasing stresses. As the stresses build, cracks appear in the thin veil of civilization, as we futilely lash out. This is happening around the World, in Europe, Asia, South America and North America.
I am worried we are reaching a breaking point. How the powerful are acting makes me suspect they think the same.
There have been revolts against the ruling classes thousands of times in the history of the world, However; there has never been a global revolt.

My testicles curl up into my body when I think that the largest religion on earth has been rabidly salivating for Armageddon for 2000 years now. Will people let the final straw be added to the load? In their religious zeal, will they allow the fuse to be lit?

RudynJack

(1,044 posts)
9. It is heartbreaking.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 01:41 AM
Aug 2013

We live in a culture that respects and glorifies violence. I wish there were a simple solution, but there isn't.

Teens shooting a jogger because they're bored? Teens beating an 89 year old man to death for god knows what reason? It's not even sporting. It's hunting.

Lobo27

(753 posts)
10. I know that every human is capable of great autrocities and of wonderful deeds.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 02:06 AM
Aug 2013

I just don't know what compels people to what they do. How can you simply kill someone because you are bored... Or kill someone because they look different.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
16. to me, it is the age-old issue of sociopathy/psychopathy
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 03:54 AM
Aug 2013
This Wiki article is a good starting point for reading. Basically, it is the lack of norman human empathy and concern for another living breathing human being.

World population is now estimated at 7.1 billion. If we say roughly 50% of those people are adults 18 and older, we are left with 3.55 billion. If only 1% of the world's adult population are psychopaths/sociopaths, that is an astonishing 35.5 MILLION psychopaths roaming the earth. Of course, some of those psychopaths are incarcerated, but you see my point. Then, you factor in people with sociopathic traits. The problem grows even worse.

With the advent of global internet and newsgathering, we are confronted with the horrible realities of psychopaths on a daily basis. What to do ? I don't know. My personal solution is a spiritual one, but that's for me.

Sociopathy/psychopathy sucks, very very terribly. It makes living on this planet suck for the rest of us.

Many for you. It's my birthday today, so I'm feeling more philosophical than usual.
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