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and although there was no talk of politics, that point became startlingly obvious. Very hopeful news, imo. Add the above to their technosavvy and BOOM

Both took an oath to defend the Constitution. That is what they both did do. If either had gone through the proper channels, they would have been dealt with and we would have no idea how bad things really are. In fact Manning tried and got nowhere.
Why do so many here think either owed their allegiance to those that did not adhere to their oath to defend the Constitution?

"We the people..." are the ones that the loyalty needs to be shown. Not some General building a fiefdom (NSA), or some military officers, looking at a video monitor and condoning and committing war crimes by shooting up civilians on false pretenses.
Snowden and Manning are not the ones that need to be punished. It is those they exposed and embarrassed, that need to be on trial and convicted.

Why are so many here defending those in charge that are committing the crimes, over those who try to expose the wrong doings of our so-called leaders?

thank you!

Samwise ?@SamwiseEyes

8 Reasons Young Americans Don't Fight Back: How the US Crushed Youth Resistance
http://www.filmsforaction.org/news/8_reasons_young_americans_dont_fight_back_how_the_us_crushed_youth_resistance/#.UhZ1YsMTgSA.twitter …

1. Student-Loan Debt. Large debt—and the fear it creates—is a pacifying force. There was no tuition at the City University of New York when I attended one of its colleges in the 1970s, a time when tuition at many U.S. public universities was so affordable that it was easy to get a B.A. and even a graduate degree without accruing any student-loan debt. While those days are gone in the United States, public universities continue to be free in the Arab world and are either free or with very low fees in many countries throughout the world. The millions of young Iranians who risked getting shot to protest their disputed 2009 presidential election, the millions of young Egyptians who risked their lives earlier this year to eliminate Mubarak, and the millions of young Americans who demonstrated against the Vietnam War all had in common the absence of pacifying huge student-loan debt.

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2. Psychopathologizing and Medicating Noncompliance. In 1955, Erich Fromm, the then widely respected anti-authoritarian leftist psychoanalyst, wrote, “Today the function of psychiatry, psychology and psychoanalysis threatens to become the tool in the manipulation of man.” Fromm died in 1980, the same year that an increasingly authoritarian America elected Ronald Reagan president, and an increasingly authoritarian American Psychiatric Association added to their diagnostic bible (then the DSM-III) disruptive mental disorders for children and teenagers such as the increasingly popular “oppositional defiant disorder” (ODD). The official symptoms of ODD include “often actively defies or refuses to comply with adult requests or rules,” “often argues with adults,” and “often deliberately does things to annoy other people.”

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(More at the link. Cross-posted from Occupy Underground. Of course, absolutes are dangerous and I met many wonderful, brilliant young persons in Occupy, so they are most definitely out there and they are most definitely aware and active.)

This is the killer, I think. People are not taught to be courageous or moral in an independent sense. They are taught to follow the crowd and follow orders.

This is deadly. I watched "How evil are you?" and in tests, people left on their own and given instructions to hurt/kill people for the most part caved to the pressure. When given other people to go with, they went with the person. They need that 2nd or 3rd person to go with the orders too.

Once they get that...they have it all wrapped up.

We didn't. 2 out of 10 people resisted. The remaining 2 resisted when they had help.

It was shocking- moral courage is lacking in our society. Only one person cited a moral reason to resist. The other resistor admitted he was able to because he was given permission to resist in the beginning.

They say "It can't happen here!"

The groundwork has been done. The only reason it hasn't happened here yet is that the ball hasn't started rolling.

But I do my best to be a good rebel example. You don't HAVE to agree with the accepted line- question everything!

I smell trends a few years before they blast off. It's a weird thing that just happens to me.

Have faith, shit is about to get real.

Might I add that our government and corporations ARE overtly self-dealing slimeballs.

Almost all of them.