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damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 04:33 PM Aug 2013

German Government Warns Key Entities Not To Use Windows 8 – Links The NSA

According to leaked internal documents from the German Federal Office for Information Security (BSI) that Die Zeit obtained, IT experts figured out that Windows 8, the touch-screen enabled, super-duper, but sales-challenged Microsoft operating system is outright dangerous for data security. It allows Microsoft to control the computer remotely through a built-in backdoor. Keys to that backdoor are likely accessible to the NSA – and in an unintended ironic twist, perhaps even to the Chinese."

"The backdoor is called “Trusted Computing,” developed and promoted by the Trusted Computing Group, founded a decade ago by the all-American tech companies AMD, Cisco, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, and Wave Systems. Its core element is a chip, the Trusted Platform Module (TPM), and an operating system designed for it, such as Windows 8. Trusted Computing Group has developed the specifications of how the chip and operating systems work together."

*In short, users of Windows 8 with TPM 2.0 surrender control over their machines the moment they turn it on for the first time."

http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-german-government-warns-key-entities-not-to-use-windows-8--links-the-nsa-2013-8

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German Government Warns Key Entities Not To Use Windows 8 – Links The NSA (Original Post) damnedifIknow Aug 2013 OP
Charming dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #1
I'm not sure what smiley to use for this one. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #2
Gonna use the "open source" icon, myself. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2013 #7
Yes, among the other unintended consequences... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #3
I'd warn everyone not to get Windows 8...it's terrible. libdem4life Aug 2013 #4
Windows 8 is beautiful, fast and perfectly stable. tridim Aug 2013 #6
No. I'll admit if I'd had an iPhone or one of the touch sensitive libdem4life Aug 2013 #8
Windows 8 is much faster than XP (and Win 7) and the desktop is light-years better. tridim Aug 2013 #9
Yep, everyone else is wrong... Heywood J Aug 2013 #11
you're 0-3 on that. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #12
Pure FUD. There is zero proof that TPM does what is claimed. tridim Aug 2013 #5
Gnot Gnoing to Gnuse windows 8. Thanks. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #10
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
2. I'm not sure what smiley to use for this one.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 04:40 PM
Aug 2013


Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009. Linux doesn’t comply with the standards, and Linux machines cannot use the technology. Microsoft defended itself the best it could. The TPM is activated by default because most users accept defaults, it said. If users would have to activate the functions themselves, many users would end up operating a less secure system. And of course, government regulations that would require that users have the option to opt in or out would be unwise.

Instead, hardware manufactures could build machines with the chips deactivated, Microsoft said. If you want to have control over your computer, that’s what you’d have to buy. Another option would be to switch to Linux machines, something that the city government of Munich has started 10 years ago; the changeover should be complete before the year is up. This end of the NSA debacle cannot possibly be twisted into bullish news for Microsoft.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
7. Gonna use the "open source" icon, myself.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 04:53 PM
Aug 2013

Don't see why NSA just doesn't buy people the damn computers, help the spying along a bit more.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
3. Yes, among the other unintended consequences...
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 04:41 PM
Aug 2013

...of all this surveillance, there are likely to be big repercussions for our high tech industries. Windows may lose its position as the de facto standard OS used by people worldwide. Cloud storage in the US is likely to take a big hit. US-based ISPs are likely to take a hit.

Well, globalization isn't just for us peons, is it?

tridim

(45,358 posts)
6. Windows 8 is beautiful, fast and perfectly stable.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 04:49 PM
Aug 2013

And no, it has no NSA backdoor. That's FUD.

Let me guess, you're a Mac user?

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
8. No. I'll admit if I'd had an iPhone or one of the touch sensitive
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 05:03 PM
Aug 2013

devices prior, it wouldn't have been such a nightmare. I do most of my work online and after years with 95, 7 and XP, this was a nightmare.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
9. Windows 8 is much faster than XP (and Win 7) and the desktop is light-years better.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 05:17 PM
Aug 2013

Metro is just an expanded start menu, it is NOT the OS.

Did you even look at the Win 8 desktop where 99% of all work/play is done?

Check it out, you'll quickly understand why you and every one else is wrong about Windows 8.

Heywood J

(2,515 posts)
11. Yep, everyone else is wrong...
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:18 AM
Aug 2013

Can't have had a different experience or anything. They're all just wrong. "Everyone" but you is wrong.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
12. you're 0-3 on that.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:24 AM
Aug 2013

It ain't beautiful unless you like the tablet look. It's no faster than 7, and stable?

And you couldn't pay me to use a Mac. I run 6 computers here, 3 with Windows and 3 with Linux.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
5. Pure FUD. There is zero proof that TPM does what is claimed.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 04:48 PM
Aug 2013

But that didn't stop Business Insider from claiming it as fact.

Pretty shoddy reporting.

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