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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 11:45 AM Aug 2013

Medecins Sans Frontieres says it has treated about 3,600 patients with "neurotoxic symptoms"

MSF confirms Syria 'chemical deaths'

Medecins Sans Frontieres says it has treated about 3,600 patients with "neurotoxic symptoms" in Syria, of whom 355 have died.

It said the patients had arrived in three hospitals it supports in the Damascus governorate on 21 August - when opposition activists say chemical attacks were launched against rebels.

It appears to be the first confirmation that chemical weapons were used.

Western countries have accused the government. Damascus accuses rebels.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23827950#TWEET867197

They have enormous credibility.

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Medecins Sans Frontieres says it has treated about 3,600 patients with "neurotoxic symptoms" (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Aug 2013 OP
atropine treatment. Is the chemical a concentrated pesticide? Sunlei Aug 2013 #1
Because you treat your patients nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #2
some of the medical persons have gotten sick. blood, urine, skin, saliva tests to the lab! Sunlei Aug 2013 #3
I gave you the answer nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #4
If they are seen in any way as siding with one group, Are_grits_groceries Aug 2013 #5
Well, it's obviously a nerve agent NuclearDem Aug 2013 #7
Can they send samples to labs? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #8
Love the Doctors without Borders folks. They are true heroes. I met a few in Kenya. stevenleser Aug 2013 #6
We do know who has used them some times, and who has more... I think. See articles at this link: freshwest Aug 2013 #9
+1 JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #13
Would it matter if we did know? reusrename Aug 2013 #10
Why does it have to be us? There are 150+ other countries in the world. Let them send their kids to stevenleser Aug 2013 #11
No, it isn't fair at all. Not by a long shot. reusrename Aug 2013 #12
I think we are arguing two vastly different things. Are you arguing for the US to intervene in Syria stevenleser Aug 2013 #14
I am arguing that war is a racket. reusrename Aug 2013 #15
Then we are arguing for the same thing in this issue. I do not want the US to be involved in Syria stevenleser Aug 2013 #16
Right, we should stop our involvement in fomenting wars everywhere, including Syria. reusrename Aug 2013 #17

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
1. atropine treatment. Is the chemical a concentrated pesticide?
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 12:03 PM
Aug 2013

why can't they send a sample to a lab?

They can find trace chemicals in blood tests on humans, race horses, animals and measure trace on foods, water. Have results in a day. Where are the test reports!

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
2. Because you treat your patients
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 12:06 PM
Aug 2013

The UN is asking for access to site. That would give you the soil samples.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
4. I gave you the answer
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 12:20 PM
Aug 2013

That is all I can do.

I know that once you treat it goes away. It is truly an antidote

The samples from dead people would be the best.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
5. If they are seen in any way as siding with one group,
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 12:21 PM
Aug 2013

there goes their access and credibility.

It may seem simple to have a sample sent out and tested. However, in that extremely volatile situation, even that act could be seen as provocative. They operate in dire circumstances and this is performing on a high wire while everything is flying around them.

My thoughts are with them and all the innocents.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
7. Well, it's obviously a nerve agent
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 12:24 PM
Aug 2013

And a lot of them (particularly the V series) started as pesticides.

Syria is supposed to have a large stockpile of sarin, so that's likely what it is. Who used it though...

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
8. Can they send samples to labs?
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 12:39 PM
Aug 2013

It seems unlikely. No, they wouldn't have 'results in a day'. It would take them longer than that just to get them through the Syrian bureaucracy and to a country where they can get tests done - if they can get them out at all. This is a country where the movements of journalists and any foreigners is highly controlled. You can't just stick an address label on a sample and expect it to get to another country in a few hours.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
6. Love the Doctors without Borders folks. They are true heroes. I met a few in Kenya.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 12:24 PM
Aug 2013

The only question is who is using the Chemical weapons. We don't know.

We should stay away from involvement in Syria.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
9. We do know who has used them some times, and who has more... I think. See articles at this link:
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 01:09 PM
Aug 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023524905#post66

It's on a thread calling for involvement now with the words:

Plan it carefully, then let it rain. Humanity said "never again" following the Holocaust. Let's hope we meant it.

Tell me if you think my reasoning is off...
 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
10. Would it matter if we did know?
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 01:57 PM
Aug 2013

Are we interested in complying with the law? Find the guilty and prosecute them for war crimes?

Oh wait, never mind.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
11. Why does it have to be us? There are 150+ other countries in the world. Let them send their kids to
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:02 PM
Aug 2013

die to achieve justice a few times before its our turn again.

That's fair, no?

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
12. No, it isn't fair at all. Not by a long shot.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:12 PM
Aug 2013

Why should anyone except for the individual war criminals themselves be made to suffer?

If we are going to make killing legal during a war, then let's at least enforce those simple laws that make it legal.

I don't understand why this concept is so difficult. It's super-simple and easy if you're a rational person.

Are you part of the "torture makes us safer" crowd? That would explain a lot.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
14. I think we are arguing two vastly different things. Are you arguing for the US to intervene in Syria
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:40 PM
Aug 2013

I'm arguing against that. I dont think the US should intervene. Are you trying to argue for war here?

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
15. I am arguing that war is a racket.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:46 PM
Aug 2013

A for-profit business. And I also do not believe "we" don't know who are the war criminals in this conflict.

The official US policy is to protect war criminals. Unless more money can be made by fighting them.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
16. Then we are arguing for the same thing in this issue. I do not want the US to be involved in Syria
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 03:12 PM
Aug 2013

period.

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
17. Right, we should stop our involvement in fomenting wars everywhere, including Syria.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 03:31 PM
Aug 2013

In order for that to ever happen, we have to make it a lot less profitable.

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