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Ohio Joe

(21,763 posts)
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:10 AM Aug 2013

FBI's claim that it dismantled Anonymous met with a massive data leak

The FBI has its collective foot in its mouth right about now.

On Wednesday, Austin P. Berglas, assistant special agent in charge of the FBI’s cyber division, gave an interview in which he boasted that the 2012 arrests of LulzSec members had "destroyed" the leadership of Anonymous, rendering it effectively neutralized.

He told the Huffington Post, "The movement is still there, and they're still yacking on Twitter and posting things, but you don't hear about these guys coming forward with those large breaches. It's just not happening, and that's because of the dismantlement of the largest players."

You can guess what happened next.

http://www.dailydot.com/news/fbi-anonymous-huffington-post-leak-federal-grill/

I remember back when Blizzard was releasing Diablo II... They made the claim that the game was 'un-hackable' and I just shook my head and thought... 'Well, that is about the dumbest thing they could have said, it is just issuing a challenge'.

As long as there is a route to the data... There is a route to the data.

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FBI's claim that it dismantled Anonymous met with a massive data leak (Original Post) Ohio Joe Aug 2013 OP
It wouldn't surprise me if the FBI said that on purpose, and some of this hacking was done by MADem Aug 2013 #1
Maybe, but I rather suspect they aren't happy about appearing s fools. hlthe2b Aug 2013 #3
Maybe, but then, how did they rope in the last big flipper? Same thing, kinda? MADem Aug 2013 #6
You mean this guy? Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #20
That's him! MADem Aug 2013 #21
All I know is what I read in the online journals Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #22
Oooh..... makes me wonder! MADem Aug 2013 #25
Things that make you go 'hmm'... Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #28
Could be but I think that ends up getting people who want to see it intead of those who take it Ohio Joe Aug 2013 #4
I've always thought half of these "We Are Anonymous--Expect Us" videos that some folks MADem Aug 2013 #7
Well, yes and no. Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #19
Well, if you wanna rope in a bunch of hackers, the best way to do that is to MADem Aug 2013 #29
Well, that was predictable... What fool at the FBI thought THAT announcement to be hlthe2b Aug 2013 #2
They have no clue. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #5
Well, they have slightly more of one now... (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2013 #18
Well, I guess Supersedeas Aug 2013 #23
Actually, from the story, I'd say not.nt bemildred Aug 2013 #24
AKA: gloating and taunting, two attributes we value in our federal HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #8
They then hacked the Federal Reserve Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #9
funny you mention blizzard. all their games are hacked to death. Sunlei Aug 2013 #10
Along the same self-congratulatory line as, "criminals are stupid". The fact is, that you only Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #11
You only catch the ones that are dumber than you, is the way it works. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #14
The nation, hell the world, is chock-full of successful criminals. Telling people Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #16
Austin P. Berglas is a fool. Scuba Aug 2013 #12
Well yeah but he is only in charge of the FBI’s cyber division... Ohio Joe Aug 2013 #13
Caddyshack is one of my all-time favorite movies. Scuba Aug 2013 #15
Not sure what to say about it, but... Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #17
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #26
Secure network is an oxymoron, secure "cloud storage", doubly so. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #27

MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. It wouldn't surprise me if the FBI said that on purpose, and some of this hacking was done by
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:17 AM
Aug 2013

their guys....I mean, this doesn't seem like an "end of the world/sky is falling" data breach:

(Actually that last one is almost certainly the old "take credit for the heck of it” trick. It might just fool some of the people, some of the time.)

Nonetheless, they do seem to have accessed FBI servers with recent data from the Regional Forensics Computer Laboratory (RFCL), and to have posted it as hidden PDF files and pages on the hacked site. The most recent data is from January of this year, although much is from last year. When asked on Twitter why that site, OpLastResort said there could be no better place to grill the Feds than the (apparently long-closed) Federal Grill. Because they are uploaded as PDFs rather than Web pages, they must be downloaded to be viewed, and one might hesitate before downloading hacked FBI files from Anonymous hosted on hacked websites.

If one were more cautious than a reporter, that is.

The documents include, for example, slides from a presentation in Orange County that includes the numbers of cases handled in the lab, the referring law enforcement agencies, resolutions, etc.


If there's a route TO the data, there's a route FROM it, too--particularly if you're on alert and looking for one.

I hate to use Porgie's "Smoke 'em outta their holes" line, but that's what it smells like to me....

Just sayin'.....

hlthe2b

(102,381 posts)
3. Maybe, but I rather suspect they aren't happy about appearing s fools.
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:20 AM
Aug 2013

It is a very machismo-driven agency.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
6. Maybe, but then, how did they rope in the last big flipper? Same thing, kinda?
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:27 AM
Aug 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Lamo

I don't think they're above the whole "stoops to conquer" vibe.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
21. That's him!
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 06:44 PM
Aug 2013

I have no inside knowledge--I just know that sometimes, when I get an odd feeling, it turns out that I'm right. Not all the time of course--but this whole construct seems a bit off to me!

Sometimes the moles aren't always followers; sometimes, they're leaders.

Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
22. All I know is what I read in the online journals
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 07:04 PM
Aug 2013

Which seem to know a hell of a lot about what Anons are up to. Forbes, Ars Technica, etc. etc.

Ohio Joe

(21,763 posts)
4. Could be but I think that ends up getting people who want to see it intead of those who take it
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:21 AM
Aug 2013

The way they are stocking up data, that be what they want anyway... Who the hell knows anymore.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
7. I've always thought half of these "We Are Anonymous--Expect Us" videos that some folks
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:29 AM
Aug 2013

are so thrilled about are productions of the Feds.

Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
19. Well, yes and no.
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 06:01 PM
Aug 2013

I mean, essentially the first Occupy-style video was a production of the US government, according to DU.

Anyone can post as "Anonymous", the question is if they are advocating for something that other people support.

If not then they are representing no one but themselves. If it is a good idea then who cares where it came from, I guess the thinking goes?

Consider the mainstream civil disobedience activist groups which have turned out to be thoroughly infiltrated by the FBI.

It seems that, if you're not considered a threat, it means you're an ineffectual activist. (like me.)

After all, they don't have to monitor the Democratic Party any more, do they?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. Well, if you wanna rope in a bunch of hackers, the best way to do that is to
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 04:51 PM
Aug 2013

portray yourself as one of the biggest, baddest hackers in town! Find something that is embarrassing, but doesn't really matter, and toss it out there like it's something you went and stole....then boast about tweaking the nose of the "PTB" and next thing ya know, you've gathered a tribe of people who have done similar stuff, but who are perhaps less creative or successful.

Years ago, there were a number of activists (Weathermen, SDS, Black Panthers, SLA, etc) that liked to engage in some pretty substantial criminal behavior that sometimes descended into violence. The feds thought the best way to limit that was to infiltrate when they could, but they weren't too good at it--just too dorky, most of the time. Nowadays, though, it's easier to appear "cool" from behind a keyboard...

hlthe2b

(102,381 posts)
2. Well, that was predictable... What fool at the FBI thought THAT announcement to be
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:18 AM
Aug 2013

a good idea--or even rational?

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
9. They then hacked the Federal Reserve
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:48 AM
Aug 2013

Shortly after an FBI representative said Anonymous was doing nothing more than “yack” on Twitter, the hackers leaked some data allegedly obtained from FBI servers.



On Friday, they published a file which they claim contains the full details of every single employee of the US Federal Reserve Bank.

Initially, the file containing the personal information was removed, but the hacktivists uploaded it to another server, presumably located in Zimbabwe, so that US authorities will not be able to take it down.

“The central banking and finance system has systematically defrauded the planet and bears responsibility for unfathomable death and misery. When the vast majority of the world population hangs below the the poverty line, massive profits for a few insiders are beyond criminal,” Anonymous hackers stated after leaking the data.

“Let there be no equivocation: Anonymous will never stop fighting and punishing the excesses of vampire capitalist exploitation and avarice. The good earth is bountiful and we produce more than enough for universal dignity in living standards and opportunity for betterment,” they added.

“As the FBI and DOJ have proved themselves incapable or unwilling to prosecute the institutional kleptocrats, we will step up to the plate. We dispense with the monopoly on violence arrogated by the state & employ instead asymmetrical economic and political warfare,” the hackers said .

“The final result of which will be the creation of conditions whereby it is simply not profitable to exploit the poor & vulnerable of earth.”


http://news.softpedia.com/news/Anonymous-Leak-Details-of-All-US-Federal-Reserve-Bank-Employees-377920.shtml

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
10. funny you mention blizzard. all their games are hacked to death.
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:56 AM
Aug 2013

there are so many computer clever people in our world. Nothing any Gov wants to be secure should be online ever. Then they STILL,have the thousands of 'contractors & employees' who steal and sell secrets to deal with.

I remember a game developer years ago, who said about hackers and developing games.
" If you make it, they will come"

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
11. Along the same self-congratulatory line as, "criminals are stupid". The fact is, that you only
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 11:02 AM
Aug 2013

catch the stupid ones.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
16. The nation, hell the world, is chock-full of successful criminals. Telling people
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 12:14 PM
Aug 2013

that crime doesn't pay just helps to cut down on the competition. Crime pays very well and gets better and better the further up the chain you go.

Ohio Joe

(21,763 posts)
13. Well yeah but he is only in charge of the FBI’s cyber division...
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 11:12 AM
Aug 2013

So we have that going for us

Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
17. Not sure what to say about it, but...
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 05:20 PM
Aug 2013

I refuse to believe in the existence of some kind of "underground hacker movement."



To paraphrase Woody Allen in Antz: " ... If only it were that easy."

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