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I find the Oscars very elitist (Original Post) bluestateguy Feb 2012 OP
Would you go if invited ? n/t jaysunb Feb 2012 #1
Brando ,Robert De niro ,Woody Allen ,,Agree orpupilofnature57 Feb 2012 #2
So did Lee Marvin, once upon a time. . . DinahMoeHum Feb 2012 #11
It's great if you want to watch two dimensional plastic people tularetom Feb 2012 #3
You can watch two-dimensional plastic people at the local coffee shop too mainer Feb 2012 #24
The red carpet stuff is wearying. I gave up and will go back later. CTyankee Feb 2012 #4
I find it very boring. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2012 #5
The Oscar presentations are boring and I never watch but I have seen most of virgogal Feb 2012 #33
Lemme see, it is about movies nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #6
My "lunchbucket brother" is there with his son. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #7
are they going to be inside the auditorium ? JI7 Feb 2012 #14
Both of my brothers live in LA, one in WeHo, right around the corner ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #17
i can see that JI7 Feb 2012 #22
Lighten up. It is Hollywood and people expect it. And you must not have a clue.... Logical Feb 2012 #8
Yup, a whole lot of union jobs. n/t FSogol Feb 2012 #10
+1000 Javaman Feb 2012 #12
LOL!! Javaman Feb 2012 #9
there are many ordinary lunchbucket people who work and get paid behind the scenes JI7 Feb 2012 #13
It's an elaborate exercise of self-congratulation and kitsch. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #15
That's why I haven't watched in years Yupster Feb 2012 #36
That's why I haven't watched in years Yupster Feb 2012 #37
1%ers patting 1%ers on the back for memorizing some lines and making facial expressions... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #16
"I Went to the Pre-Oscar Celebrity Gifting Suites and All I Got Was This Sense of Disgust" muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #48
Oh, Please! I and my other Lunchbox buddies are having a wonderful time watching.... Moonwalk Feb 2012 #19
I have not watched the Oscars in over 20 years. RebelOne Feb 2012 #20
Yes but, what are you wearing? MichiganVote Feb 2012 #21
I watch for the beautiful gowns. May be elitist but fun to see. mainer Feb 2012 #23
I can't stand them. chrisa Feb 2012 #25
It is JonLP24 Feb 2012 #26
The electoral process for winning films is arguably aristocratic too. JNathanK Feb 2012 #27
I Could Not Disagree With You More Yavin4 Feb 2012 #28
One of the last industries that keep jobs in the country mainer Feb 2012 #29
Ok... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #30
To me it's boring. It's industry awards and even though I live in LA Raine Feb 2012 #31
I love 'em. But then I love a parade of any kind. Bring it on! nolabear Feb 2012 #32
Name one other event that could have given an Iranian Filmmaker.... Moonwalk Feb 2012 #34
Yes, how dare people have some joy and frivolity in their lives. nobodyspecial Feb 2012 #35
Billy Crystal said something like "the 1% giving gold statues to each other" FarCenter Feb 2012 #38
I don't watch the Red Carpet stuff JustAnotherGen Feb 2012 #39
Be careful Oilwellian Feb 2012 #40
While I see your point bluestateguy Feb 2012 #41
Yeah, it's almost .000000000000001 picoromney. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #42
If the Oscars aren't your thing you should check out the exact opposite: the Razzies. Initech Feb 2012 #43
I just find them really fucking boring. A waste of fucking time and energy. madinmaryland Feb 2012 #44
Pretty much anything that isn't fucking is a waste of fucking time onenote Feb 2012 #46
The more I observe Hollywood, the less flamingdem Feb 2012 #45
as noted by Billy Crystal's statement that it was millionaires giving each other gold statues. sad sally Feb 2012 #47

DinahMoeHum

(21,794 posts)
11. So did Lee Marvin, once upon a time. . .
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:16 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001511/bio

Ah, stardom! They put your name on a star in the sidewalk on Hollywood Boulevard and you walk down and find a pile of dog manure on it. That tells the whole story, baby.



tularetom

(23,664 posts)
3. It's great if you want to watch two dimensional plastic people
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:02 PM
Feb 2012

Uttering trite and tiresome phrases that have no basis in reality.

But then you can see that everyday when you turn on network or cable news.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
24. You can watch two-dimensional plastic people at the local coffee shop too
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:48 PM
Feb 2012

The only difference is that at the Oscars, their clothes cost more and the cameras are on them.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
4. The red carpet stuff is wearying. I gave up and will go back later.
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:03 PM
Feb 2012

it's all "stuff." I say, give it up...

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
5. I find it very boring.
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:04 PM
Feb 2012

I haven't seen any of the movies, so I'll probably find something else to watch. And I'm now so old that I haven't even heard of many of the actors. Elitist? Sure, by definition.

 

virgogal

(10,178 posts)
33. The Oscar presentations are boring and I never watch but I have seen most of
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:32 PM
Feb 2012

the nominated films. I love movies. I go once a week.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
6. Lemme see, it is about movies
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:06 PM
Feb 2012

and actors and people many times making a lot of money. (The technical Oscars are a whole different thing and are usually NOT broadcasted, and have no red carpet or anything like that.)... by their very nature they are.

I used to enjoy them... when I was 15... these days there are other things to do, including GASP I know, READ.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
14. are they going to be inside the auditorium ?
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:20 PM
Feb 2012

how did they get in ? does your brother have a job related or just fans who bought tickets for it?

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
17. Both of my brothers live in LA, one in WeHo, right around the corner
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:22 PM
Feb 2012

from the festivities. He is a bar manager at a high end bar/restaurant in Los Angeles. He gets invites to a lot of these things. My other brother is in the film industry. You see his name all the time if you stick around for the credits to roll.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
22. i can see that
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:38 PM
Feb 2012

i'm in LA also and work in a tourist area (though not in hollywood area). but i meet many people every year who aren't big names that are going to attend the awards. some of them even get to walk the red carpet but since they aren't "stars" the media isn't going to stop and interview them. but they do get to go and attend some parties afterwards.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
8. Lighten up. It is Hollywood and people expect it. And you must not have a clue....
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:10 PM
Feb 2012

how many people Hollywood employs in the USA.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
12. +1000
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:16 PM
Feb 2012

Every single person you see on tv walking up that carpet is a union member, all the people making sure the program is aired, is a union member. I could go on and on.

I'm a former Union member myself: Cameraman's Union Local 600.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
9. LOL!!
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:13 PM
Feb 2012

I'm glad you told us, because I was just thinking, Damn, if bluestateguy doesn't let us know how he feels about whether or not he will watch the Oscars, I think I will die!!!

JI7

(89,250 posts)
13. there are many ordinary lunchbucket people who work and get paid behind the scenes
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:17 PM
Feb 2012

as for the celebrations it is mostly going ot be focused on the "stars".

but what else do you think they should do ?

i am not going to watch because i find acceptance speeches to be annoying sometimes. and if there is anything worth seeing i can see clips later. but i got bored of sitting through the awards shows years ago.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
36. That's why I haven't watched in years
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:46 AM
Feb 2012

We give the enterrtainment industry incredible power by letting them pick what goes on tv and the movies.

So what do they decide to show us?

A show of them congratulating each other.

Thanks, but Finding Bigfoot was on Animal Planet last night and that's way more important and real.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
37. That's why I haven't watched in years
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:47 AM
Feb 2012

We give the enterrtainment industry incredible power by letting them pick what goes on tv and the movies.

So what do they decide to show us?

A show of them congratulating each other.

Thanks, but Finding Bigfoot was on Animal Planet last night and that's way more important and real.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
16. 1%ers patting 1%ers on the back for memorizing some lines and making facial expressions...
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:21 PM
Feb 2012

I should think this wouldn't sit well with people upset over "income inequality". Hundreds of limosines spewing tons of greenhouse gasses just for show, and when they get onstage, they lecture the general public on how they should live. I should think this wouldn't sit well with people concerned about the environment.

They pat themselves on the back and collect $10,000 bags of swag as their stunt-doubles stay in the 99% while doing all the hard work.

Nah, I won't be watching. My wife will Tivo it and watch it tomorrow though.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
18. "I Went to the Pre-Oscar Celebrity Gifting Suites and All I Got Was This Sense of Disgust"
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:25 PM
Feb 2012
Beverly Hills is not a real place in the real world. Beverly Hills is what happens when you take the "Beverly Hills" pavilion at Epcot Center, expand it a thousandfold, and populate it with actors playing real people.

I had never been to L.A. before, avoid watching the Oscars at all costs, and am incapable of identifying celebrities on sight, and yet I went to Beverly Hills this week to write about "gifting suites," those peculiar little pre-Oscar-week institutions that exist in order to shower America's neediest celebrities with free luxury items. Companies that want to promote themselves pay PR firms for the privilege of setting up a table at the gifting suite; the PR firm wrangles celebrities to show up and collect a ton of free crap; the media covers it as an event, making the whole thing worthwhile.

I was there in search of free stuff. Foolish. In Beverly Hills, nothing is free unless you absolutely, positively don't need it.
...
Here is what happens at gifting suites: A whole bunch of jewelry companies and spas and fashion designers and destination resorts and liquor makers and chi-chi cake bakeries and the like pay thousands of dollars for the privilege of acting enthusiastic to speak to B- or C- or even lesser-list celebrities, while handing those celebrities free things. These celebrities, in turn, act enthusiastic about listening to a five-minute pitch for products like "Whitening Lightning" tooth whitener. Then, the celebrity poses for a picture, grabs their free shit, and moves on to the next trough. It takes about an hour for a celebrity to make a complete circuit, and when it's over, their assistant is carrying enough gift bags to build a four-man tent.

http://gawker.com/5888267/i-went-to-the-pre+oscar-celebrity-gifting-suites-and-all-i-got-was-this-sense-of-disgust?popular=true

Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #18)

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
19. Oh, Please! I and my other Lunchbox buddies are having a wonderful time watching....
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:27 PM
Feb 2012

...and partying. And given how Hollywood is still one of those places where lunchbox people, who startd from nowhere and nothing yet can become stars--and make a difference with their popularity in how the world works....

Well, that's not what I consider elitist. People can be born into acting and Hollywood, but it's still a biz which allows those from the bottom rungs to rise to the top. Or have you so soon forgotten Gabourey "Gabby" Sidibe from "Precious" who got nominated for Best Actress. Born and raised in Harlem, dad was a cab driver.

How elitist was she when she came to the Oscars?

Unlike with an aristocracy, you never know who will or can rise to the top in Hollywood.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
23. I watch for the beautiful gowns. May be elitist but fun to see.
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:45 PM
Feb 2012

Nothin' wrong with that.

And ordinary lunchbucket people can clean up to look like movie stars, given the right gown.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
26. It is
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:55 PM
Feb 2012

but I don't have a problem with it. Not many people can do what they do so that drives their wages up. Yeah there are people like Adam Sandler that aren't very good but even someone like him went to acting school, did a bunch of small roles, went the SNL route before starring in highly grossing films(someone likes him). Plus they provide me entertainment that I'm willing to pay for so I can't complain about the money they make and what they spend it on.

I don't think many actors like the gossip, some who do are mostly not actors who wouldn't have a "career" without it. I can't complain about the gossip because there are many people that genuinely fascinated by what some famous person is up to. I catch myself clicking on an article here or there, even Jeremy Lin's couch story interested me. Some people are very genuinely interested, my mom is one of them. It never made sense to care at that level but I understood why the gossip business thrives.

I guess the lack of average people is something to be concerned about, however, it is an award show for people in the acting business. A lot of people want to attend so that drives up the prices of tickets to attend so that leaves out a lot of average folks. I can't think of anything to make something that naturally would be elitist--not elitist.

I will be watching as I don't have cable and I don't have many choices. If I had cable I'd probably watch the NBA All-Star game even though they refuse to play defense unless it is a close game in the 4th quarter. A couple of years ago I watched Lebron James on TNT without hesitation.

JNathanK

(185 posts)
27. The electoral process for winning films is arguably aristocratic too.
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 09:57 PM
Feb 2012

That's why I like the people's choice awards more. its democratic. Better yet, screw the award ceremony. I'll just buy the movie when it comes out on DVD if its good. I don't care what other people think about it.

I have a problem with just giving a director or a cinematographer or lead actor an award though. In truth, their direction wasn't the only factor at play in making the film in what it is. There's teams of CGI artists, lighting experts, sound experts, costume designers, set builders, script writers, etc etc, that make the movie what it is. I think its very ego-centric to just give an award to one guy for work that was a team effort.

Yavin4

(35,441 posts)
28. I Could Not Disagree With You More
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:02 PM
Feb 2012

The film industry is one of the last and best manufacturing industries in America. Everyone involved in the industry is represented by unions. There are thousands of blue collar jobs from set design to editing to graphics to makeup, etc.

The Oscars are nothing more than a grand promotion of the industry, an industry that serves middle class people in America very well.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
31. To me it's boring. It's industry awards and even though I live in LA
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:18 PM
Feb 2012

I'm not in the industry so I have no interest, I just plain don't care.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
34. Name one other event that could have given an Iranian Filmmaker....
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:56 PM
Feb 2012

...a chance to make a plea for peace and be seen and heard by so many people around the world.

That's what happened tonight thanks to this elitist event. An Iranian filmmaker won best foreign language film, and got his moment to speak out and be heard and seen as a human being. I think, for that alone, this event deserves some kudos, whatever else it does that is ridiculous.

nobodyspecial

(2,286 posts)
35. Yes, how dare people have some joy and frivolity in their lives.
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 12:35 AM
Feb 2012

Do you watch sports? For some, this is no different in the bit of entertainment it provides.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
39. I don't watch the Red Carpet stuff
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:50 AM
Feb 2012

But I'm an avid film goer/fan and tend to have seen the Best Picture nominees every year. Though - I was a bit upset Sarah's Key was completely left out - phenomenal movie.

I'm not a sports fan - and definitely not a football fan . . . so I see your point when I insert Super Bowl instead of Oscars. That's the brain freeze/numb I experience on Super Bowl Sunday each year. This year we went to see The Iron Lady on Super Bowl Sunday!

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
41. While I see your point
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 09:45 PM
Feb 2012

This is not a poetry slam at some dive coffee shop in a college town.

This is a red carpet, exclusive event where only the elites and the connected are invited.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
45. The more I observe Hollywood, the less
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:20 PM
Feb 2012

elite it is to me.

Elite is banking, elite is Washington. Hollywood has fairly open arms to anyone willing to play the game and most are do-gooders, not snobs.

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