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antigone382

(3,682 posts)
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:08 PM Feb 2012

11% of Tennessee children live on less than $2.00 per day.

At least that's the figure given in this recent report, which highlights the near and dear to my heart Grundy County. This is the reality of Appalachia. I dare anyone to come to these hills and tell me that there is no poverty in the U.S. that touches that of the third world.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/2/26/220296/40-Percent-Of-Grundy-County-Children.aspx

40 Percent Of Grundy County Children Now Live In Poverty, New Report Says
Tennessee One Of 10 Worst States For Child Poverty, According to Kids Count Project
Sunday, February 26, 2012 - by Judy Frank

About four out of every 10 children in Grundy County are officially categorized as “poor,” according to troubling data in a new report by the Annie E. Casey Kids Count project that analyzes census data from the years 2006 to 2010.

The new report comes on the heels of, and reinforces, a study released in January by the Children’s Defense Fund which showed that about a quarter of all children in the Volunteer state are poor – and that more than 11 percent live in “extreme poverty,” defined as living on $2 or less per day.

That’s roughly equal to the $185 maximum amount the report indicated a family of three can receive in Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) in Tennessee.

According to the Kids Count report, Tennessee’s overall child poverty rate is 24 percent, making it one of the 10 worst states for the number of children living in concentrated areas of poverty.

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11% of Tennessee children live on less than $2.00 per day. (Original Post) antigone382 Feb 2012 OP
how sad mdmc Feb 2012 #1
NO CHILD IN a WESTERN Country should go without food OR go with TOO LITTLE FOOD. Justice wanted Feb 2012 #2
And yet, Tennesseans continue to vote Republican. BlueCaliDem Feb 2012 #5
BOTH parties are driving children into poverty. woo me with science Feb 2012 #18
No, "Tennesseans" do not continue to vote Republican. Fawke Em Feb 2012 #24
But liberals won't move there right now, xmas74 Feb 2012 #28
Where are there jobs? Not being judgmental, just asking. Fawke Em Feb 2012 #30
Exactly. xmas74 Feb 2012 #31
Then we agree. Fawke Em Feb 2012 #32
We are all purple. xmas74 Feb 2012 #33
I'm eager to see how Rogero does as mayor. white_wolf Feb 2012 #35
Her appointments are refreshing, as well. Fawke Em Feb 2012 #43
I would like to think that no child anywhere should go without food, but it certainly is a shame... antigone382 Feb 2012 #6
I know. No child should go without food you are right BUT you would think a western country would Justice wanted Feb 2012 #8
AMEN! woo me with science Feb 2012 #19
What? lapislzi Feb 2012 #22
I'm NOT saying WESTERN children are MORE ENTITLED! I'm saying we should NOT have this Justice wanted Feb 2012 #23
Just look at the priorities of the "rich and powerful" and you will have your answer. lapislzi Feb 2012 #25
It's time Tennessee stop hatin' and vote for Democrats BlueCaliDem Feb 2012 #3
Grundy County has been traditionally Democratic. antigone382 Feb 2012 #4
One district BlueCaliDem Feb 2012 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Feb 2012 #20
"...Tennessee’s overall child poverty rate is 24 percent..." unkachuck Feb 2012 #9
Thank You Go Vols Feb 2012 #13
US child poverty rate jumps to 21.6 percent. woo me with science Feb 2012 #16
So many think it's justified nobodyspecial Feb 2012 #10
I see it every day back home...so many young hopeless people dragged through the prison system... antigone382 Feb 2012 #26
We are living in Dickens times and America needs to wake up lovuian Feb 2012 #11
I sure it's not that much different in other states with Right to work state laws. demosincebirth Feb 2012 #12
It's interesting to peruse some of the classic responses Tsiyu Feb 2012 #14
+1000 Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #34
Tennessee is a low-regulation, cheap labor state. This is just cause and effect. Romulox Feb 2012 #15
Read a book on Appalachian history and get back to me. antigone382 Feb 2012 #27
Are there any books you would recommend? Incitatus Feb 2012 #37
Off the top of my head, "The United States of Appalachia" by Jeff Biggers antigone382 Feb 2012 #42
I live in TN and I'll admit I get frustrated at times,but... white_wolf Feb 2012 #38
Du rec. Nt xchrom Feb 2012 #17
And this is why we need "don't say gay" legislation...because it will joeybee12 Feb 2012 #21
May I take it a step further? nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #29
kick Go Vols Feb 2012 #36
K&R woo me with science Feb 2012 #39
People are too poor to feed their kids and at the same time, family planning options are threatened. Quantess Feb 2012 #40
Gee, I wonder if someone whose wife drives 2 cadillacs at once would give even one thought to these lonestarnot Feb 2012 #41

Justice wanted

(2,657 posts)
2. NO CHILD IN a WESTERN Country should go without food OR go with TOO LITTLE FOOD.
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:13 PM
Feb 2012

We should be ashamed of ourselves as a nation. Yet we have Republicans and Talking Inflated heads screaming how we need to get rid of SOCIAL PROGRAMS and food stamps.


Are we really a nation of Sadists?

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
5. And yet, Tennesseans continue to vote Republican.
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:17 PM
Feb 2012

You get the government you vote for. This is the result. I'd love to pity them, but they're in a free country and they can make the changes necessary by voting for the party whose platform is more in line with them. But there are too many blacks in that one so they stick with the White Supremacists party *even if it starves their children.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
18. BOTH parties are driving children into poverty.
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 12:28 PM
Feb 2012

This is a problem of the one percent in both parties.

Our DEMOCRATIC President has repeatedly and publicly pushed for austerity and budget slashing in this economy. Under Obama, heating assistance was slashed, and OBAMA used Social Security and Medicare as bargaining chips to pass an austerity budget.

Child poverty in this country jumped to 21.6 percent last year.

We have a bipartisan problem. That is why it is so critical that we occupy now.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
24. No, "Tennesseans" do not continue to vote Republican.
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 01:23 PM
Feb 2012

I'm a Tennessean and I don't vote Republican.

What you should say is that a slight majority of Tennesseans vote Republican.

If more liberals would move here and/or we could get some liberal programming on our radio and television stations, we could swing that majority.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
28. But liberals won't move there right now,
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 08:05 PM
Feb 2012

even those who are able to look past the stereotypes. Why? Same reason they won't move to other states like Missouri, Arkansas, etc-because there are no jobs available that actually pay a living wage.

It just keeps going in circles.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
31. Exactly.
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 08:49 AM
Feb 2012

Most of us are stuck where we're at, hoping for the best. Few can afford to move anywhere right now, which is one of the many reasons why the same people tend to vote for the same old candidate. There's no real infusion of new blood and everything's stagnant.

For the record: I live in Missouri. It's no different here.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
32. Then we agree.
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 09:12 PM
Feb 2012

The biggest problem the South has is that it's more rural than urban. I live in a mid-sized city that just elected a very liberal mayor (in a non-partisan race, but we all knew who was what), yet the my county and the rest of my region are solid red.

The South is no different than anywhere else with the major exception that we're gerrymandered and our urban areas aren't as large. We're all purple states.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
33. We are all purple.
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 09:53 PM
Feb 2012

I live less than forty minutes from Independence, home of Harry S. Truman. The entire area should be deep dark blue but it's not-Jackson County is and the areas surrounding it are quite a bit more lavender, as I like to say, to actual red further out.

Gerrymandering is in full swing to this day and my state is no exception. They've been playing with areas yet again. The positive? A teabagging Congressperson will now have to represent Columbia, a decent size deep blue college town. (Between that town and another smaller college town that is starting to change colors she will not be in office much longer.) The negative? The games played on the state level have everyone's heads spinning.

The young and many of the "more liberal" are leaving rural areas yet again because there are no jobs available. I know a few who would love nothing more than to live in the country but cannot because of the job market.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
35. I'm eager to see how Rogero does as mayor.
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 10:02 PM
Feb 2012

She seems like she will do a good job, her strong support of labor unions is a welcome change of pace from most politicians here.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
43. Her appointments are refreshing, as well.
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 08:42 PM
Feb 2012

If they live up to their credentials, she'll have an awesome administration.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
6. I would like to think that no child anywhere should go without food, but it certainly is a shame...
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:18 PM
Feb 2012

I want people to wake up! America is not immune to very real and very severe poverty.

Justice wanted

(2,657 posts)
8. I know. No child should go without food you are right BUT you would think a western country would
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:23 PM
Feb 2012

have that problem. People do need to wake up.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
22. What?
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 12:38 PM
Feb 2012

Am I misreading your subject line? Am I missing a sarcasm tag? If yes, please disregard.

If not...why are "western" children more entitled to food than children in the developing world?

We are not a nation of sadists. We are a nation of distracted, apathetic hedonists.

Justice wanted

(2,657 posts)
23. I'm NOT saying WESTERN children are MORE ENTITLED! I'm saying we should NOT have this
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 01:17 PM
Feb 2012

Problem. We should be taking care of our Poor and those who do not have enough to eat and working on the problem of hunger in 3rd world nations.

I'm saying that for as "RICH AND POWERFUL" This country is suppose to be WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM!

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
25. Just look at the priorities of the "rich and powerful" and you will have your answer.
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 01:32 PM
Feb 2012

Their priorities do not include feeding the hungry or tending to the ill and infirm.

Apparently, however, they include enriching their own bankrolls in whatever manner the law allows, or doesn't allow.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
3. It's time Tennessee stop hatin' and vote for Democrats
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:13 PM
Feb 2012

because it's clear voting for Republicans isn't working out all to well for them.

Change is necessary.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
4. Grundy County has been traditionally Democratic.
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:16 PM
Feb 2012

Al Gore went to Grundy specifically to thank them for their support after the 2000 election.

I understand what you're saying, but there are all kinds of structural reasons people vote and act the way they do. Besides, the children who are suffering the most are too young to vote in any case.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
7. One district
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:22 PM
Feb 2012

does not a change make. They need to vote in Democrats from local to the governorship. Whatever structural reason these people have to continue to vote with an elitist party, it should never trump the welfare of their children. Never.

And I know children can't vote, but their parents can, and it appears their parents would rather cling to their hatred against blacks, Latinos, furners and other silly reasons rather than feeding their children.

I understand what you're saying, and I commend you for your understanding, but all the understanding in the world isn't going to feed those children just as long as they continue to vote for the party that's beholden ONLY to the wealthy and corporations, and nothing and no one else.

Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #7)

 

unkachuck

(6,295 posts)
9. "...Tennessee’s overall child poverty rate is 24 percent..."
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:24 PM
Feb 2012

....congratulations, Right to Work Tennessee, you'll soon become a third-world state....

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
13. Thank You
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 01:57 AM
Feb 2012

Instead of offering a possible solution,just set us out as going to shit.

There is little to no jobs in Grundy County,and most are done by illegal Mexicans,picking up rocks and stacking them, its a boom.Then sell to the rich folks in Atl to make pretty driveway walls.

Right to work is headed to a city near you,no matter where you are.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
16. US child poverty rate jumps to 21.6 percent.
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 12:22 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/nov2011/pove-n22.shtml

US Census figures show jump in child poverty
By Fred Mazelis
22 November 2011

Figures released by the US Census Bureau indicate an official child poverty rate of 21.6 percent, the highest since the specific surveys of child poverty began in 2001.

The report comes from the American Community Survey, a nationwide study that includes an annual sample size of about 3 million addresses across the United States, including every county in every state as well as Puerto Rico, where it is called the Puerto Rico Community Survey.

The highlights of the latest survey, for the year 2010, show that 15.75 million children lived in poverty and that more than 1.1 million children had been added to the total between 2009 and 2010....

nobodyspecial

(2,286 posts)
10. So many think it's justified
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 01:12 AM
Feb 2012

for whatever failings or "wrongs" committed by parents. But, children are innocent. They did nothing and we are losing so many to poverty. Sure, a few will make it out, but many more will have their potential wasted.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
26. I see it every day back home...so many young hopeless people dragged through the prison system...
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 06:51 PM
Feb 2012

And while the less-than-ideal political persuasions of the majority of my fellow Tennesseans are not ideal for combating these problems, I also know the history and the structural problems that have led to both the mindset and the poverty that exists today. All kinds of union organizing went on in a lot of our most beleaguered areas in generations past; people were active at fighting their own exploitation, but eventually the powerful won out--with the aid of the local, state, and federal government, so how can you blame people today for not trusting that the government will do what's best for them?

The poorest of the poor do not create their own ignorance or powerlessness. Witnessing a bunch of historically clueless outsiders smugly blame them for it while sitting comfortably in more prosperous and "progressive" regions, enjoying the economic advantages gained by robbing the coal and other resources from beneath our feet, is rather disheartening, to say the least.

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
11. We are living in Dickens times and America needs to wake up
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 01:14 AM
Feb 2012

Poverty breeds nothing but a dying society

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
14. It's interesting to peruse some of the classic responses
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 12:16 PM
Feb 2012


to stories of poverty in the United States.

You get: the "At-least-it's-not-Ethiopia" types and the "They-did-it-to-themselves" types, the ones who make it political (it is), the ones who do, really, get it.

There's more to everything than meets the eye. We can solve problems like poverty in America, but only if we understand the true causes of poverty. Throwing all our pet hates in the air like confetti as a response to our discomfort with poverty won't work nearly as well as studying the long history and cultures of people affected by poverty.

Study the industries, and industrialists, who exploited the people. Study the government and the government officials who betrayed them. Study the businesses that exploit them today.

But look at their strengths as well, at their resources and their initiative in trying to correct economic disparity.

Don't blame it on one add-vitriole-and-mix cause. Or say it's not bad enough in Appalachia yet to care about Appalachia.

People in Grundy County are good, tough, proud survivors. They'd rather live on very little than be open to your scorn or pity.

But they shouldn't have to live on so much less than the rest of this nation.





Romulox

(25,960 posts)
15. Tennessee is a low-regulation, cheap labor state. This is just cause and effect.
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 12:21 PM
Feb 2012

Southern states engage in a race-to-the-bottom economic competition with other parts of the country via low regulations, low worker rights, and low levels of spending on things like public education.

Then these same Southern states demand help when they reach the "finish line" in the race-to-the-bottom.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
27. Read a book on Appalachian history and get back to me.
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 07:00 PM
Feb 2012

The workers in those regions fought tooth and nail to unionize, to demand their rights in situations only nominally different than outright slavery. Several of them were murdered--by deputized police, acting on behalf of coal companies--in that fight. Decades of exploitation were committed by industrialists from more "progressive" regions, and the collusion of the state, local, and national government. Yes, they have won much of the propaganda fight. That's what happens in situations of oppression.

I know you are speaking about state-level decisions, not necessarily the mindsets of individuals, but I get very frustrated when the blame for the way things are rests solely on those backwards southerners not getting their act together--specifically the mountain South, which was largely (but not entirely) pro-Union and anti-slavery. I want people to see that it isn't all about the Civil War.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
42. Off the top of my head, "The United States of Appalachia" by Jeff Biggers
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 12:48 PM
Feb 2012

It provides a pretty good overview of Appalachia's contributions to American culture, as well as its struggles. Anything by Helen Lewis is also going to provide some good insights. There are a lot of books, documentaries, and other resources on the impact of coal mining and other extractive industries on Appalachia, both in the past and present.

You can learn a lot from nonfiction Appalachian authors such as Silas House, Denise Giardina, and Lee Smith as well.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
38. I live in TN and I'll admit I get frustrated at times,but...
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 03:15 AM
Feb 2012

you are right. Despite the South's reputation for conservatism, people have risked and lost their lives to fight for union rights. If anyone doesn't believe me, just watch Harlan County USA.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
21. And this is why we need "don't say gay" legislation...because it will
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 12:32 PM
Feb 2012

help children like these in need.

Oh wait, it won't.

I guess that's because TN lawmakers are flatulent assholes.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
29. May I take it a step further?
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 08:09 PM
Feb 2012
At least that's the figure given in this recent report, which highlights the near and dear to my heart Grundy County. This is the reality of Appalachia. I dare anyone to come to these hills and tell me that there is no poverty in the U.S. that touches that of the third world.

In some cases it SURPASSES the poverty in some parts of the third world.

Yes, I am familiar.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
40. People are too poor to feed their kids and at the same time, family planning options are threatened.
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 10:55 AM
Feb 2012

What to do?
I know! Poor women can sell their babies!

Edited just to say that I'm just posting a very cynical comment. But really, what are women (and parents in general) supposed to do?

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
41. Gee, I wonder if someone whose wife drives 2 cadillacs at once would give even one thought to these
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 10:57 AM
Feb 2012

kids.

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