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stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 05:45 PM Feb 2012

The Harvard Law Record: Indefinite Detention Under the NDAA: the Great Attack on Civil Liberties

http://hlrecord.org/?p=1451

On December 31, 2011, President Barack Obama signed the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) into law. Many of you may not have heard of it because the holidays aren’t exactly conducive to keeping up with current events, but the NDAA represents one of the most dramatic attacks on civil liberties in this country in many years. While the NDAA contains many routine provisions related to defense spending, there are two particular provisions that should deeply trouble any American concerned with the encroachment upon civil liberties that has been the hallmark of post-9/11 America.

Section 1021 affirms that the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) authorizes detention of anybody whom the President determines was involved in the attacks of 9/11, as well as detention of anybody who substantially supports or is a member of al-Qaeda, the Taliban or associated forces. This detention is authorized so long as the hostilities authorized by the AUMF are ongoing. Of course, because the battle against al-Qaeda may never end, Section 1021 is essentially a de facto authorization of indefinite detention.

Section 1022 states that if an individual is detained under the authority of Section 1021, that person must be held by the military. This mandate does not apply to a citizen or lawful resident of the United States. Put these sections together and a scary picture emerges in which a person accused of being a member of a terrorist group, or even of substantially supporting one, can be detained by the military as long as the United States is at war with al-Qaeda.


This codification of indefinite detention is chilling because it represents how quickly and drastically our nation’s discourse about civil liberties has changed in just a few years. Fewer than four years ago we elected a president who explicitly and strongly campaigned on closing Guantanamo Bay, the internationally infamous facility in which terrorist suspects were being indefinitely detained. Now that same president is signing a bill codifying some of the practices against which he had so vigorously campaigned. So long as George W. Bush was indefinitely detaining terrorism suspects Democrats could criticize it as representing the worst of the Bush regime and civil libertarians could decry it as a panicked overreaction to 9/11. And while it is true that Obama had long claimed to have the authority to indefinitely detain terrorism suspects prior to the passage of the NDAA, his position could be seen as representing only the viewpoint of one president trying to arrogate power. But now indefinite detention is not a partisan issue, nor can it be described as a panicked reaction or an overreach by a greedy branch of government. Instead, ten years after 9/11, it has been written into our laws by a bipartisan legislature that is codifying the practices of two presidencies from two different parties. Imprisonment without trial, that hallmark of tyranny which seems so anathema to a nation that values freedom and a governmental system based on checks on government and due process, has been written into the laws of this country with shockingly little outcry from the American people.

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gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. Oh, this is just alarmist alarmism
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 05:51 PM
Feb 2012

If you haven't done anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about. Or maybe you're wrong in thinking you haven't done anything wrong. In which case, just sit tight you terrorist scum. The mighty United States will teach you the meaning of freedom and liberty soon enough.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
2. When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail, likewise
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 06:04 PM
Feb 2012

when all your major candidates are monopolized in the authoritarian quadrant of the political spectrum, policy solutions and laws will only serve to increase authoritarianism and the Anaconda grip of a full blown police state.

Thanks for the thread, stockholmer.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
3. I wonder why in the "debates" the question never came up as if any R-con candidate agreed w Obama
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 06:32 PM
Feb 2012

on this issue.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
4. Not to be confused with the Harvard Law REVIEW, which is a serious paper.
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 07:03 PM
Feb 2012

This is student run with no expectation of scholarly accuracy. Just a 22 year old law student's angry op-ed, in other words.

 

stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
5. The Harvard Law Record: oldest US law school newspaper, among its editors/writers- Barack Obama,
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 07:39 PM
Feb 2012

Jacob M. Appel, fiction writer and bioethicist
Derrick Bell, law professor at NYU Law School
Jeremy Blachman, author of the Anonymous Lawyer blog and books[1]
Alexander Boldizar, novelist and art critic[2]
Ruben Bolling, aka Ken Fisher, cartoonist and creator of "Tom the Dancing Bug"[3]
Alan Dershowitz, law professor[4]
Debra Dickerson, author and commentator[5]
Robert Fellmeth, public interest law professor at the University of San Diego Law School
Martin D. Ginsburg, tax law expert at Georgetown University Law School
Philip Heymann, Deputy Attorney General under Bill Clinton and currently professor at Harvard Law
Ricardo Hinojosa, federal court judge[6]

Murad Kalam, O. Henry Award winning novelist[7]
George N. Leighton, U.S. District Court judge for the Northern District of Illinois
James Alan McPherson, Pulitzer Prize-winning essayist and short story writer[8]
Johanes Maliza, professional soccer player[9]
Jamie Metzl, Executive Vice President of the Asia Society and former State Department official
Patrick Miles Jr., 2010 Michigan congressional candidate
Makau Mutua, Dean of the University at Buffalo Law School[10]
Ralph Nader, consumer advocate and U.S. presidential candidate[11]
Charles Ogletree, law professor

Joel Pollak, 2010 Illinois congressional candidate
Charles O. Porter, U.S. Representative from Oregon
Richard Posner, federal circuit court judge and law professor at the University of Chicago
William Rehnquist, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States[13]

Henry Stern, member of the New York City Council and Commissioner of New York City Parks and Recreation
Jerome J. Shestack, former American Bar Association president
James B. Stewart, journalist, Pulitzer Prize-winning author[14]
Kevin Werbach, business and technology expert at the Wharton School

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Law_Record

 

stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
7. more background on the NDAA (most anything Lindsey Graham & Joe Lieberman are BOTH for, I'm against)
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 08:11 PM
Feb 2012

Jonathan Turley talked about his recent Washington Post piece http://www2.tbo.com/news/opinion/2011/nov/20/vwviewo1-are-you-being-watched-its-your-fault-ar-325736/ looking at the issues of surveillance and privacy and U.S. citizens' loss of privacy protections. He responded to telephone calls and electronic communications.





http://www.aclu.org/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-bill-law

“President Obama's action today is a blight on his legacy because he will forever be known as the president who signed indefinite detention without charge or trial into law,” said Anthony D. Romero, ACLU executive director. “The statute is particularly dangerous because it has no temporal or geographic limitations, and can be used by this and future presidents to militarily detain people captured far from any battlefield. The ACLU will fight worldwide detention authority wherever we can, be it in court, in Congress, or internationally.”

Under the Bush administration, similar claims of worldwide detention authority were used to hold even a U.S. citizen detained on U.S. soil in military custody, and many in Congress now assert that the NDAA should be used in the same way again. The ACLU believes that any military detention of American citizens or others within the United States is unconstitutional and illegal, including under the NDAA. In addition, the breadth of the NDAA’s detention authority violates international law because it is not limited to people captured in the context of an actual armed conflict as required by the laws of war.

“We are incredibly disappointed that President Obama signed this new law even though his administration had already claimed overly broad detention authority in court,” said Romero. “Any hope that the Obama administration would roll back the constitutional excesses of George Bush in the war on terror was extinguished today. Thankfully, we have three branches of government, and the final word belongs to the Supreme Court, which has yet to rule on the scope of detention authority. But Congress and the president also have a role to play in cleaning up the mess they have created because no American citizen or anyone else should live in fear of this or any future president misusing the NDAA’s detention authority.”

The bill also contains provisions making it difficult to transfer suspects out of military detention, which prompted FBI Director Robert Mueller to testify that it could jeopardize criminal investigations. It also restricts the transfers of cleared detainees from the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay to foreign countries for resettlement or repatriation, making it more difficult to close Guantanamo, as President Obama pledged to do in one of his first acts in office.

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Undermining Habeas Corpus

The NDAA and the Militarization of America


http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/10/the-ndaa-and-the-militarization-of-america/

The National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (NDAA) was passed by Congress and signed into law by the president on New Year’s Eve of 2011. Activists and other critics charge that the NDAA authorizes the indefinite military detention of U.S. citizens, but supporters counter that the law entails no new powers of detention for the federal government.

In a sense, both sides are right. Insofar as it affirms “existing law” as the basis for federal detention policy, the NDAA does not itself dramatically expand the government’s power to detain U.S. citizens indefinitely. The bad news, however, is the government has essentially already claimed this authority, and the NDAA will only provide more legal cover for the executive branch to further undermine habeas corpus.

Proponents of the NDAA argue that section 1021 (e) exempts U.S. citizens from indefinite detention. The relevant text reads:


Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect the existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

But critics, including former federal judges Abner Mikva, William Sessions, and John Gibbons, are equally vigorous in their disagreement. The NDAA, they write, “codifies methods such as indefinite detention without charge and mandatory military detention and make[s] them applicable to virtually anyone…including U.S. citizens.”

Senator Lindsey Graham is one of the few supporters of the NDAA to plainly admit that “the statement of authority to detain does apply to American citizens, and it designates the world as the battlefield, including the homeland.” Indeed, section 1021 (e) was added after the voting down of an amendment by Senator Mark Udall (D-NM), which would have made it clear that Americans were not subject to detention. As many critics noted, Congress could have stated something to the effect that, “Nothing in this act shall be construed as authorizing the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens.” It did not. That a clear statement to protect U.S. citizens was defeated in favor of a contested one strongly suggeststhat the NDAA does not offer safeguards for citizens.

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Why The NDAA Is Unconstitutional


http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/01/18/why-the-ndaa-is-unconstitutional/

Each year, Congress authorizes the budget of the Department of Defense through a National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). The NDAA of 2012, however, is unlike any previous ones. This year’s legislation contains highly controversial provisions that empower the Armed Forces to engage in civilian law enforcement and to selectively suspend due process and habeas corpus, as well as other rights guaranteed by the 5th and 6th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, for terror suspects apprehended on U.S. soil. The final version of the bill passed the House on December 14, the Senate the following day (ironically, the 220th birthday of the Bill of Rights). It was signed into law by President Obama on New Year’s Eve. With his signature, for the first time since the Internal Security Act of 1950 and the dark days of the McCarthy era that followed, our government has codified the power of indefinite detention into law.

This pernicious law poses one of the greatest threats to civil liberties in our nation’s history. Under Section 1021 of the NDAA, foreign nationals who are alleged to have committed or merely “suspected” of sympathizing with or providing any level of support to groups the U.S. designates as terrorist organization or an affiliate or associated force may be imprisoned without charge or trial “until the end of hostilities.” The law affirms the executive branch’s authority granted under the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) and broadens the definition and scope of “covered persons.” But because the “war on terror” is a war on a tactic, not on a state, it has no parameters or timetable. Consequently, this law can be used by authorities to detain (forever) anyone the government considers a threat to national security and stability – potentially even demonstrators and protesters exercising their First Amendment rights.

One popular myth surrounding this law (which has been marketed well by the White House and the mainstream media) is that it does not pertain to U.S. persons (citizens and resident aliens). While the law does not explicitly target U.S. persons, it neither excludes nor protects them. Section 1022 of the law covers U.S. persons. The section allows for open-ended executive judgment with regard to the handling of U.S. persons. In other words, the detention of U.S persons is optional, rather than a requirement as it is for non-U.S. persons. Jonathan Turley, legal scholar and professor at George Washington University, explains that “the provision merely states that nothing in the provisions could be construed to alter Americans’ legal rights. Since the Senate clearly views citizens are not just subject to indefinite detention but even execution without a trial, the change offers nothing but rhetoric to hide the harsh reality.”

Regardless of whether or not this law is interpreted as applying to U.S. persons, by specifically targeting foreign nationals, the NDAA violates the “equal protection” clause of the 14th Amendment, which guarantees that all people be treated the same under the law. Therefore, any way you slice it, this law is unconstitutional.

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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania (1759)

sudopod

(5,019 posts)
6. You see, hyperbolic posts like this are why no one takes you seriously.
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 07:43 PM
Feb 2012

You make me wonder about Newton's second law, some days.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
10. Can this new law be used as the basis for denying the extradition of Assange to the US?
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 09:10 PM
Feb 2012

Not my field, speculating. Senator Levin appears in the Special Features of The Conspirator. The Conspirator advocates support for the US Constitution under all circumstances.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conspirator

The Conspirator is a 2011 historical drama film directed by Robert Redford based on a book by Eliza Ann Dupuy of the same name. It is the debut film of the American Film Company.

Critics have cited it as an analogy to the post-9/11 atmosphere.


http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/04/23/are-you-tired-of-9-11-message-movies/

Apr 23 2011 12:29 PM ET

'The Conspirator' is a post-9/11 message movie. Are you as tired of post-9/11 message movies as I am?

by Owen Gleiberman


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The latest of these well-meaning attempts to mold 9/11 and its aftermath into a piece of dramatic entertainment is Robert Redford’s The Conspirator. On the surface, you might not even think that’s so, since the movie is a courtroom drama set 150 years ago, just after the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. Yet Redford uses that other rending national tragedy as a giant metaphor. The movie is about a young Civil War hero, Frederick Aiken (James McAvoy), who is assigned, as an inexperienced Washington lawyer, to defend a woman, Mary Surratt (Robin Wright), who’s accused of being part of a conspiracy to kill the president. It doesn’t take Aiken long to figure out that the proceeding is really a sham, a show trial — that she’s going to be found guilty, regardless of the facts, and that it’s all part of the government’s attempt to give the nation closure through an officially sanctioned act of legal vengeance.

In The Conspirator, Redford goes back to one of the only events in American history that tore at the country’s identity as violently as 9/11 did. And he demonstrates that what happened back then, during the trial of Mary Surratt, amounted to the squashing of rights, the twisting of protocol, the suspension of justice for “the sake of the nation.” Edwin Stanton, played by Kevin Kline, was the Secretary of War under Lincoln, and he makes the argument for why Mary must be found guilty (even though she is, at least in the movie, innocent). He becomes the film’s version of Dick Cheney, taking the low road of force over constitutional safeguard. And Aiken, the last-honest-man hero (played by McAvoy with a lively glint of moral passion), realizes that if he doesn’t fight this bureaucratic railroading, he’s colluding in the destruction of the American system, the American way. The movie’s message is: In America, the ends do not — cannot — justify the means. That, the film says, is the meaning of America. Redford clearly intends this message as a commentary on all the legally dicey things that have gone on in the aftermath of 9/11: the detaining of terrorist suspects, with little or no evidence, and with no representation or deadline, in the prison at Guantánamo; the underground use of torture techniques that violate articles of the Geneva Convention; the willingness to suspend the law for the sake of an anti-terror, we-fight-fire-with-fire absolutism.

More at link.


 

stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
11. IF Assange is sent here to Sweden for trial (and the dodgy charges are a whole other matter) AND if
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 09:52 PM
Feb 2012

our government tries to ship him back to the USA, there is going to be HUGE trouble in little Sweden, mark my words. I do not think Reinfeldt (our PM) has the cojones to pull the trigger of extradition approval.

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background from old posts of mine



100+plus pages of Assange rape case docs dumped here in Sweden



"Uncensored police reports filled with graphic details of the rape and sexual molestation allegations against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange have been leaked and can be viewed on the the Internet.

The files, viewed by AFP Friday, were faxed in November from Assange's Stockholm-based lawyer Bjoern Hurtig to Jennifer Robinson, one of his British lawyers.

Although a cover page says the documents are legally privileged information "for Mr Julian Assange and nobody else" a link to a PDF file of the 97-page fax was posted online this week..........."


download links

http://www.mediafire.com/?40nxl34oxndc4qh

http://www.scribd.com/doc/48110314/Facsimile-from-Forsvarsadvokaterna-23-11-10Sokbar

sorry, helt på svenska (all in Swedish)


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Includes the 2 women accusers (Anna Arlin and Sofia Welin) statements

Arlin has a dodgy background, she has been associated with the CIA-connected anti-Castro group, White Angels, has made false sex charges here before, and now has fled to Israel

Welin is more like a groupie type, who tried to drop charges already a couple times

we had dropped charges here, then revelations of the CIA spying illegally on many top Swedes came out, and voila! the charges came back

is a set up IMHO





https://www.flashback.org/t1275257p1889

Several very remarkable facts about the initial phase of the criminal investigation against Julian Assange have emerged based on recent leaks:

1. The police interview with Ms. W, the woman allegedly accusing Assange for rape, was not tape-recorded.

2. A narrative account of the interview was entered into the police computer system on the same day that it was made.

3. Days later, the police woman who had authored the account of the interview with Ms.W tried to access it again "to finish it", but ”was denied access” for unclear reasons. She was then instructed by a superior to replace the original report with a new report of unclear origin, and did so. It is not known how the new account of the interview with Ms. W differed from the original account; only the new account is available now.

4. According to the leaks, Ms. W had not heard and verified any one of the narrative accounts of the interview with her. The allegation in the EAW that Assange had sex with Ms. W while she was sleeping thus amounts to hearsay.

5. The police woman interviewing Ms. W is an acquaintance of the other accuser, Ms. A. They are both active social democrats and they are both engaged in activities for homosexual, bisexual and transsexual persons.


http://www.fajaf.com/blog /



Marianne Ny is very problematic as a prosecutor, she has exhibited clear bias in the past

http://www.daddys-sverige.com/3/post/2010/11/gstinlgg-marianne-nys-konstiga-syn-p-rttsskerhet.html

Marianne Ny wrote this in a Court Administration report on the new women's law in 2001 that she helped formulate and testified as an expert:

"Only when the man is detained can the woman find the time for peace and quiet to get some perspective on her life, thus she gets a chance to discover how she really was treated. " "Marianne Ny argues that the prosecution has a good effect to protect the woman, even in cases where the offender is not prosecuted nor convicted."

http://www.domstol.se/Publikationer/Rapporter/Kvinnofridslagen.pdf


http://www.skandinaviflorida.com/web/sif.nsf/d6plinks/JEIE-8CSTKZ

Prejudice is a problem though. Our gender decides how we judge men and women's guilt and criminality. Last Friday, Angela S. Ahola, Doctor of Psychology at Stockholm University presented her dissertation on how women and men are treated by the legal system, how women's and men's stories are evaluated and that even the appearance affects on who is trusted. Ahola's dissertation confirms what we at RO have suspected for a long time - that women are being judged more kindly by the police and prosecutor. Women get a milder punishment for the same crime as men, and female witnesses are considered more reliable than male. We must get rid of these prejudices in order to claim that the Swedish justice guarantee equality before the law.

RO wants to see reviews of the rape cases that are based on facts not claims. The speculations most stop. The more innocent that are being mistreated the less we trust the legal system. We are convinced that there are many out there who have been abused by the legal system.

Rättssäkerhetsorganisationen RO, The Rights Organization

Johann Binninge
Monica Pernroth
Jenny Beltran
Susanne Flyborg

http://www.dagensjuridik.se/2010/05/dags-att-kartlagga-nedlagda-valdtaktsfall

new dissertation from Stockholms Universitet on gender sentencing difference here in Sweden


http://su.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?searchId=1&pid=diva2:311692



'Try Me for Rape Too, Marianne Ny!'
by SVT head news anchor Olle Andersson


http://www.newsmill.se/artikel/2011/01/08/jag-b-r-ocks-talas-f-r-v-ldt-kt

english version

http://rixstep.com/2/1/20110109,01.shtml


Is rape rampant in gender-equal Sweden? Re Assange and Wikileaks

http://www.lauraagustin.com/is-rape-rampant-in-gender-equal-sweden

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
12. My point was simply something doesn't add up. I'm suspending judgement.
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 10:22 PM
Feb 2012

I follow http://wlcentral.org/ regularly for news on Assange (also Forbes), but I see you've got A LOT more detail on the case in Sweden. If I need to know more, I know where to look. Thanks!

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