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Posted this morning at an area shopping mall in Rochester, NY...
Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)well, they could of worked things out and I don't think it's fair....
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)in their treatment of employees if this happened more often.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)K & R.
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)mountain grammy
(26,646 posts)Good for them.. not easy to quit a job these days!
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)to get away with abuse and just general assery.
mountain grammy
(26,646 posts)too many employers feel their employees are beneath them.
It's that Rmoney mentality: "I enjoy firing people." He must have choked on the word "people" because how can low life workers be "people" when "corporations are people, my friend."
Alkene
(752 posts)The power to say, No more.
The power to pursue alternatives.
Well played.
(Someone actually said, cancer is not an excuse. Wow.)
christx30
(6,241 posts)(from an article in The Onion)
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)This came through on a social media network, so sometimes the details get a little hazy ala 'telephone game' as a youngster.
However, the timing of this event aside; there is some great backstory on the specific details in your link, thanks for posting...
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Great story and I hope the three who quit find a better place to work!
ck4829
(35,090 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)ie buy when prices are falling, sell when they are going up.
We need to strike or quit when employers think they have the upper hand. When enough people do it, they lose. There are replacements for that little store, but not every little store.
Bravo to Niki, Jess, and TJ.
LuvNewcastle
(16,855 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)small business owners lack the skills and resort to berating and bullying to achieve their ends. Maybe one of the requirements of getting a business license should be that they have completed a course or are enrolled in a course that teaches these skills. It could be something our Department of Labor could offer in community colleges or state departments of human resources.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)DebJ
(7,699 posts)as you would wish to be treated yourself.
Worked very well for me as a quick service restaurant manager for a decade.
It's not hard AT ALL.
Communicate clearly in advance. Train people by watching them succeed.
Give credit where credit is due. Say Thank You, and you won't too often
have to say, I am sorry, this position doesn't seem to be working out.
Easy, really.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Since they were probably berated and bullied in a dysfunctional home, it's all they know and they need to learn different behavior. Many large corporations understand this so managing employees is part of management training.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Billy Love
(117 posts)I am about to enter the retail business, as I am planning to open a franchise. You bet your bippy that I will treat my employees with kindness and respect(I don't have a mean bone in my body - only temperamental when things aren't going right). I am told by the CEO of the franchise that a store will typically need 3 employees during the week and 5 on the weekends. So I am going to look for people who are willing to work on shifts. My store will be open from 10am to 11pm during the week, 10 am to 1 am during the weekend. And no, it's not clothes, it's frozen yogurt. And only the finest.
This is a good lesson for me to remember when hiring people. If they need time off, I will grant them without question - I can understand and empathize. My own dad is going through treatments and even though I don't have to take care of him (even though we live in the same city) but I do have to take responsibility for my dad's business as I am still his employee, and as long as I'm his employee, it is my responsibility to make sure things are running smoothly....
DebJ
(7,699 posts)Hire six people if you need three...lots of turnover.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)And, the constant comments from Business Professors was that most were NOT worth the franchise costs. Now, the top franchise stores (Such as McDonald's) are worth the cost of obtaining a franchise. i.e. the costs you incur as being a franchisee is more then offset by the advantages you have by the assistance from the Franchise provider. On the other hand, in less known franchisees, the cost of being a franchise is not worth far exceed any benefit having the franchise provides the franchisee.
McDonald's is always the classic Franchise operations, they provide more support (including advertising) then the store operator could provide himself. Now, in the case of McDonald's, that include site selection, and time of operation selection (I have always suspected Wendy's site selection is to find out where the nearest McDonald's is and pick a site close by, that sounds like an attack on Wendy's but it is a very good way to pick a site for a competitor of McDonald's).
McDonald's and Wendy's are often given as good Franchise operations, they provide the support the actual store owner needs. Your other better known Franchisees provide similar services. If you want to be in a Mall, you are stuck with a Franchise, for most malls are 90% rented out before they are even built (thus you tend to see the same stores in every mall in the US, some variations but not many). Given that high rate of leases held by large corporations if want to be in a mall, you have to do what they want (in the three malls I have seen decline, you first see a slow withdraw of those nation wide stores and replacement by similar size local stores as the Mall tries to find tenants to replace the ones that have pulled out. This did NOT always help the mall survive, but it is a sign of a mall in trouble). For more on Malls I have seen fail, see the end note at the bottom of this page.
Whoever is providing you the franchise should be able to help you select a place for your business, in fact should insist on it, for if you are successful, so will they be and one of the most important assistance they should provide to you is finding a good location for your franchise.
On the other hand if the assistance is what you could do on your own, it is NOT worth it. In the 1990s "Bike line" wanted to moved into Western Pennsylvania. At that time I looked into a "Bike line" dealership, but the more I had dug into what they can provide the less I like the franchise. In fact the local stores that did open as Bike Line Franchisee have all dropped that franchise, and continued on their own. The support "Bike line" was able to give to dealers in Western Pennsylvania turned out to be less then what the people who owned those stores could do for themselves (Thus the dealers all dropped the Franchise).
http://bikeline.com/
Now, "Bike line" is doing well in Eastern Pennsylvania, maybe out East, they can give the support the franchise operators needed, but that clearly was NOT the case in Western Pennsylvania.
Just a comment about Franchises. Make sure you are getting something more then a Name when you buy a Franchise.
ENDNOTE: Malls I have see fail:
One comment, on the malls below that I have seen go into decline, one of the reason was the decline of the number of Department Stores in the Pittsburgh area. In the 1970s, there were three "Department" stores, each having a store in Downtown Pittsburgh and at least two of them in every mall in the area (Century III mall actually had all three, plus a Sear's and a JC Penney's). Today, all by one is gone (and the surviving one in now called "Macy" instead of the Traditional Pittsburgh Name of "Kaufmann's). This consolation of department stores, and the slow movement into Pittsburgh of other national chains put strains on the Local Malls and lead to the decline of two of these three malls
Another factor, is with the decline in income of working class people since Reagan's election in 1980. The move to upgrade what working class people purchased reversed. Prior to WWII, most working class people brought clothes in what was called "5 and dime" stores. They would occasionally go to a Department Stores, but they tended to go to Woolworth or other similar good but downscale stores. That changed in the post WWII era, as people wanted to upgrade themselves with the extra money most Americans were receiving in the post WWII era. People tend forget that from 1945 till 1980 is the only time in American History when the rich did NOT get richer and the poor did NOT get poorer. Instead more and more of the money went to the bottom 90% of the population.
Thus after WWII, more and more people had more and more money to buy nicer and nicer things. Thus the Malls were born in the 1960s to take advantage of this increase in income for the bottom 90% of the population. This reflected that given the increase income, most people owned cars after 1954 (1954 is the year more people purchased replacement cars then the first car owned in their family). This buying of cars, saw the decline of the Streetcars, but the expansion of the Automobile Suburbs.
That increase in income for the bottom 90% stopped in 1980 and wages have been STAGNATED since that date, even well the total income for the Country has almost doubled (i.e. the rich are getting rich again). In the recent recession, we have even seen a decline in income for the lower 90% of the population.
This change hit Pittsburgh hard, for Pittsburgh was known for decades as having the highest income and lowest prices in the Nation. Companies would only move into Pittsburgh once the rest of the Country was covered first, for Pittsburgh had very low profit margins compared to the rest of the Country. While prices have stayed low, the problem is wages have DECLINED since 1980 in Western Pennsylvania (Pittsburgh is in the center of Western Pennsylvania).
With that drop in income, you saw less and less people buying less and less things in the Department Stores and more and more people going to discount places to buy things. They was some resistance to accepting a decline in quality (For example Walmart fruits just do NOT compare to fruits one can get, even out of season, elsewhere in Pittsburgh) but even in Pittsburgh you have seen a slow decline in quality as people try to stay within their budget. Thus you have seen less and less people, spending less and less time in the malls, and more and more people, spending the money they do have at Walmart of other similar discounters.
Yes, a long story about why Pittsburgh had only one Department Store today, when in the 1970s it still had three. I go into it so you understand that the above in what is happening nationally not just in Western Pennsylvania. Whatever franchise you are buying make sure it can provide what people want and can afford. If you make a mistake as to the market, you will go bankrupt no matter how good a businessmen you are, Just a comment on making sure you know what you are getting into and that you have the support you need from whoever is providing the Franchise.
Some of the Malls I have seen go into decline:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_III_Mall
Century III biggest problem is it was built in that part of Suburban Pittsburgh that was an outgrowth of the old Steel Mills along the Monongahela Valley. It was an ideal location, till the Mills closed down in the early 1980s and with it the wealth of the population is that part of Allegheny County Pennsylvania. The local roads were built to transport people from these suburbs to the Monongahela Valley NOT to Pittsburgh. The two roads to Pittsburgh (PA 51 and Brownsville Road) ran more or less parallel to each other and had traffic lights every 100-200 feet. Thus was NOT a high speed highway, and any proposals to make it a high speed highway died in the 1950s (mostly from opposition from local governments in the area around Century Three Mall, for they did not want to become a "Suburb" of Pittsburgh). Bad roads, hard to get to, no real plan to upgrade the roads. The opening of a strip mall with many of the Stores in a Typical indoor mall, on the site of old Homestead Works, made people along the Monongahela rive stay in the valley and anyone crossing the Monongahela river stopping at that mall instead of going to Century three (and this included a lot of people from the City of Pittsburgh itself).
http://deadmalls.com/malls/allegheny_center_mall.html
Allegheny Center, died as a mall for it was to near Downtown Pittsburgh and its remaining stores, but did not have the easy access by automobile most people expect when it comes to a modern mall. It started well, but then as the stores did not match the income similar stores did out in the suburbs, the stores slowly pull out. By the 1990s it was closed down and converted to offices, do to the fact is it within walking distance of Downtown Pittsburgh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkway_Center_Mall
Parkway Center Mall opened in 1980. It boomed as many of the smaller stores that had stayed in downtown Pittsburgh moved out to it. The problem was it was a small mall whose smaller stores all closed down when the stores around the Airport were made in the 1990s. The stores that had moved from Downtown Pittsburgh to Parkway Center, then moved to the new malls around the Airport.
The smart money today is that the Mall will be torn down and replaced with something like a Home Depot. A Home Depot was planned, but some locals opposed that plan for it required the City of Pittsburgh to rule the area "Blighted" (and it is do to the decline of the Mall).
I bring these up, for on paper these should still be "Hot" properties for a retail store. They are not and are either dead (Parkway center), dying (Century Three) or long dead but rebuilt as something else (Allegheny Center). Whoever is providing you the franchise should be able to help you select a place for your business, in fact should insist on it, for if you are successful, so will they be.
tblue37
(65,483 posts)knees, because the workers really are the sin qua none of the whole shebang. Actually, that is true of every economy.
Labor knew that during the decades of the Labor Movement, but unfortunately, so did the "owners," so they met the labor organizers and the striking workers with real--often lethal--violence.
Just as the powerful can always pay half of the working class to kill the other half for them, they can always find desperate workers who will cross picket lines for a job.
In Wisconsin and during the Occupy protests, we have seen how willing the cops--who are not among the elite, but who act as their enforcers--are to use violence and state power to assault peaceful protesters and deprive them of rights the Founders considered so essential and inviolable that they enshrined them in the FIRST Amendment.
If it grows to be something that really does promise (read threaten) to improve the lot of the workers and strengthen their hand against the oligarchs, then this nascent labor movement will have to go through violence like that suffered by those in the original Labor Movement--and like that suffered by those who braved all during the Civil Rights Movement. The powerful won't willingly relinquish one iota of power and privilege. It will have to be wrested from their (perhaps even "cold, dead" hands.
At first the violence will be "soft" violence--like the unnecessary use of Tasers and pepper spray and the rough taking down of protesters as they are arrested even though they are not violating any laws.
Another forms of "soft" violence is when the worker is deprived of a job, or when whole groups are deprived of the work they need to buy the necessities for survival. Papa John's owner and other oligarchs were trying that tactic when they threatened to cut hours and fire people if the ACA was going to insist that employees get health insurance.
I do hope this is the start of a new labor movement, but I also know and fear that if it becomes truly effective, some brave people are going to get hurt, and some will probably get killed. John Lewis knows that, too. He risked his life during the Civil Rights Movement, and he was beaten almost to death. I admire him for that, but also for his recognition of what is at stake now and his willingness to stand with the workers, because he recognizes that both struggles are really the same struggle for basic human rights.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)V.I. Lenin
I wish I could rec your post for its clear-eyed view of the struggle that is coming. Hope you'll consider turning it into its own OP.
tblue37
(65,483 posts)(this post is on my Nook, too), so I couldn't really polish it or say everything as precisely as it could have been said. If I have time tomorrow to sit at the computer and work on the post, I will OP it.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)and cogently thought out expression of what labor faces and will face in coming years.
Full disclosure: I was a part-time weekend participant at Occupy Los Angeles and got to see the LAPD act as enforcers for the 1% up close and personal, you could say. My wife and I actually feared for our personal safety a couple times at the hand of the LAPD as a result of exercising our First Amendment rights.
tblue37
(65,483 posts)I am 63, severely hearing impaired, and often must use a cane. I also have cardiac arhythmia. I would like to participate in protests, but I am, to put it bluntly, too scared.
Cops Tase at the drop of a hat--and often for no reason at all. Nor do they take age, handicaps, illnesses, helplessness, or any other vulnerability into consideration.
They Tase the very young (I've read of a 6-year-old being Tased!), the very old (recently a 95-year-old suffered a heart attack and died after being Tased and shot with bean bags), pregnant women, people who fail to obey an order because of being in a diabetic coma (!), people in wheelchairs, people strapped down in hospital beds, people who called the cops for help because their domestic partner was abusing them, deaf people who didn't hear the cop say something--I could go on forever with this list. I actually "collect" such stories.
I would probably not hear a command unless I was looking at the cop and knew already that I was being addressed. Besides, they will attack even if they've not warned a person or given a command. A Tasing would probably send me into cardiac arrest. I might be willing to be roughed up a bit in a good cause, but I am afraid that I would get Tased, and that would probably kill me.
Of course, even if you have no history of heart problems a Tasing can kill you, especially since the cops get off on Tasing people, so that they can't seem to stop at one--like that old "Bet ya can't eat just one!" Lay's potato chip ad. Once the cops pull out their Tasers, they get all Energizer Bunny on someone's ass and just keep going and going and going. Even if a person survives the first two or three Tasings, by the fourth (or seventh) their poor little ticker is likely to just quit on them.
We KNOW that the cops will seriously brutalize peaceful protesters, so I have great respect for you and others who take on the risk to protest on behalf of those of us who are unable to face that risk.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)youngsters. (In fairness, what my wife and I experienced was as nothing compared to some of the outrages suffered by some of the youth at Occupy Los Angeles at the hand of LAPD and LA County Sherriff's Department officers. I have become a serious admirer of today's youth after my experiences with OLA.)
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)I'm a human being, goddammit! My life has value!!!
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)Our MBAs have decided the way to maximize profits is to cut staff to the bone...that store probably has six total employees. And overtime is forbidden, so he can't call someone in to cover, or hire another person because corporate won't allow it. Which leads you into "cancer is not an excuse, get in here."
I hope they can get new jobs...in Shrub's economy, fuck-you-I-quit ain't the way to impress your next boss.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)That goes without saying. But still
Hekate
(90,787 posts)In my working life I slaved for some real jerks, and never burned my bridges behind me when I found a new job. But this is retail sales -- I actually think they'll do all right in the future. I totally admire those three.
And I'll join you in
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Happy Labor Day.
Not Sure
(735 posts)NBachers
(17,136 posts)HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)Solidarinosc movement.
Emphatic K&R!
Hekate
(90,787 posts)So richly deserved.
"Cancer is not an excuse" is hardly the kind of slogan that is going to draw the customers in, is it?