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Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 04:59 PM Sep 2013

"Why are so many Americans wary of labor unions?"

http://fryingpannews.org/2013/09/02/labor-day-news-of-the-weird/




Labor Day News of the WEIRD
by Cynthia Strathmann on September 2, 2013

Why are so many Americans wary of labor unions? Unions are, after all, good for everyone who works for a living. In occupations with a high rate of unionization all the workers get paid more, even employees who aren’t in a union. As rates of unionization have fallen, so has compensation. One might expect unions to be all the rage with anyone who ever put in a hard day’s work. But this is not always the case, particularly in the United States.

Americans have WEIRD attitudes towards unions – as in, Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, and Democratic. The Canadian behavioralists who coined this acronym were interested in how sweeping generalizations about human psychology and economic behavior might be incorrect if they were based on only one kind of (WEIRD) people, and reviewed a number of cross-cultural studies to make their point. To scholars at the University of British Columbia, Americans often appeared to be the most exceptional; “outliers among outliers.”

What does this WEIRD-ness have to do with attitudes towards organized labor? Among many of their findings, the researchers noted that in experiments based on game-playing, Americans are eager to punish a luckier player if they think the other person has gotten an unearned reward, even if the punishment comes at a cost to themselves. WEIRD minds are also more individualistic and more likely to focus narrowly and analytically on one small problem while having difficulty seeing objects in a larger context.

These findings offer one explanation for the American tendency to attack union members on the grounds that they are getting something other people don’t have — say, higher wages or better health insurance — even if reducing this compensation is likely to hurt all workers over time. How could we not see this? Americans are looking for details, not the big picture, focusing on small analytic tasks instead of taking a more holistic view. We are also thinking about the problem individualistically, focused more on how to punish particular people than on identifying with them as part of a community.

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"Why are so many Americans wary of labor unions?" (Original Post) Starry Messenger Sep 2013 OP
And then there's the constant propaganda. n/t tazkcmo Sep 2013 #1
That too! Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #2
Instead of wasting time psychoanalyzing them, why don't we help them unionize?! reformist2 Sep 2013 #3
Some worker groups vote to not unionize. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #8
Because the billionaires have been catapulting anti-union propaganda since the Reagan years? Initech Sep 2013 #4
Link not found? MyshkinCommaPrince Sep 2013 #5
No it wasn't you, they seem to have moved it to a new link--I edited it in. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #6
What produces people like this? MyshkinCommaPrince Sep 2013 #9
I still need to read those, thanks for the reminder! Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #12
significantly, Frank pointed out that there were TWO neolib Reaganaut parties, but one was more ok MisterP Sep 2013 #13
Everybody hates a good union job, until they get one leftstreet Sep 2013 #7
I love being in a union. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #10
Bingo Populist_Prole Sep 2013 #15
Because they've been told to be wary and can't think for themselves. n/t Avalux Sep 2013 #11
Brainwashing works! nt valerief Sep 2013 #14

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
2. That too!
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:09 PM
Sep 2013

I don't think this article gives a complete picture, but it was an aspect I'd never heard of before so I thought I'd share and see what other people thought.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
3. Instead of wasting time psychoanalyzing them, why don't we help them unionize?!
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:12 PM
Sep 2013

It's obvious many people are envious of what other people are getting. Give them some hope that they, too, can get some decent retirement benefits and watch public opinion turn around!

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
8. Some worker groups vote to not unionize.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:24 PM
Sep 2013

It baffles me. Even when the opportunity avails them, they turn it down. Or they decert their union with an election.

A lot of the help labor provides is education on why unions are important, which is sorely needed. Unfortunately union density is at an all-time low, so resources are even more scarce.

I don't think it is a total waste of time to examine this, but wonder what can be done as a society to counter-act this tendency?

MyshkinCommaPrince

(611 posts)
5. Link not found?
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:12 PM
Sep 2013

The link doesn't wok for me, for some reason.

I live in an area which still has an unusual amount of manufacturing, apparently with some decent-paying union jobs. As far as I can tell, there is strong support for Republican policies in spite of this, mainly tied to gun and abortion issues. But I think the observation about a "punishment-driven" social outlook explains everything well. Many people seem to want a harder, meaner society in which hard, mean people are better able to succeed. Those who are not hard & mean, whether they succeed or fail, seem to be the targets of hatred.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
6. No it wasn't you, they seem to have moved it to a new link--I edited it in.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:19 PM
Sep 2013

Thank you for pointing that out, strange, they must have just moved it.

I wish the article had gone into more depth on this, like what exactly about our society produces people like this from the time they are young.

I've always been curious about the American antipathy to unions, I think we are the only industrial G-20 country to have right to work laws?

MyshkinCommaPrince

(611 posts)
9. What produces people like this?
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:28 PM
Sep 2013

I end up thinking of George Lakoff's "Don't Think of an Elephant" and Thomas Frank's "What's The Matter with Kansas?", both of which seem to touch upon the question from different perspectives.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
12. I still need to read those, thanks for the reminder!
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:33 PM
Sep 2013

I'm an educator, so I think in terms of human development from very young children. So I think, is there anything we can do to foster a more community-minded outlook from the start? I wonder.

leftstreet

(36,117 posts)
7. Everybody hates a good union job, until they get one
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:23 PM
Sep 2013

Solidarity and support seem to go against the American bootstrap narrative of distinguishing oneself as blessed and above the rest

As mythologies like Middle Classism and Religion wane, maybe change will happen

DURec

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
10. I love being in a union.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:29 PM
Sep 2013

I've worked for non-profits and even though I met great people and did satisfying work, labor protections were scarce.

When I got a chance to work a union job, even though the pay isn't great for an adjunct, still the officers were doing things like making sure that adjuncts started receiving pay for office hours, etc.

I almost cried the day I got a letter from my local that said "Here, we found a way to pay you more money, so here it is."

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