and he is moderate enough to support bombing Syria as well.

My point is that we should not listen to crazy, inconsistent voices when we have clear-eyed moderates like McCain.

that assure us of the legality of our unilateral humanitarian killing endeavors. We need the reasoning of clear heads like his well versed in the intricacies of international law.

Why people insist on disagreeing with such learned scholars such as Yoo that support this I will never understand.

Do they ingest batshit for breakfast or something? I have read passages from some of these moonbats that there are "international laws" and "courts" that they foolishly believe hold jurisdiction in such matters.
I am so sick of those CT lunatics and their imaginary courts and laws.

and yes, so do I.

Sorry if that upsets you so much that Obama is getting all this bi-partisan support from the likes of McCain, the man who choose Palin as his running mate.

Paul 2016?

Is that the point of the OP?

If you think McCain is untrustworthy or not a moderate for picking Palin as his running mate, you are free to say so.

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With that new heart, Cheney might be able to pull it off. It wouldn't matter if he were a bit infirm; he and Kerry seem to agree on foreign policy enough for it to work.

2 masculine moderates who agree with Obama on how to protect freedom?

Where do I sign up?

('skookum' - Chinook word signifying powerfully good) between a non-existent Republican-left and the tea-party right.

So the actual Dem Party had better get busy finding/funding/campaigning-for legitimate Dem contenders, starting last year. I don't envy you Dems.

Here in Canada we've been following in lockstep, and to our shame we're now led by Stephen Harper, who is every neocon's servant. On the liberal side -- it's almost like when the US chose Obama to lead the Dems, but I think we have a bit more information than the Dems did when they picked Obama. The Canadian Liberal Party is led by Justin Trudeau, who for a lark recently admitted that yes, he's smoked BC Bud (tm), not just generically "in the far past" but recently, even after he was elected to represent his riding.

IMO Pierre was a great leader and Justin appears to be a chip off the same block.

If you haven't seen this, you should. Here's a vid of Justin Trudeau in the boxing ring with Patrick Brazeau, a conservative rep. Justin had challenged the entire Conservative bench to produce a boxer, for a boxing event the proceeds to go to charity. Patrick Brazeau, a second-degree black belt in karate, took up Trudeau's challenge. Imagine this in the US... hehe

But I guess you aint got anything else.

...

Well, Syria will just have to do.

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Like that guy today - Merkley or Murky or something and that Ron Wyden - crazed extremists demanding more evidence

I trust the moderate voices who agree with Obama, not radicals and fringe types.

I mean, seriously, this is apparently too far out there even for ProSense.

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So since he is saying that Obama is right and Paul is wrong, this is a no brainer.

Christ, this is just fucking surreal.

In some sort of rational fashion.

GJ Dr.! You're doing well to highlight the insanity.

It's not fun, but you never learn anything from being right every time.

Or is that just beyond the pale?

I'm sure they are not stupid enough to listen to people like Paul, Grayson or Saunders.

If both the far left and the tea baggers are against Obama's war, then you know it must be the Right thing to do.

If you want to cozy up to Republican pukes who want the President to do far more than he will, that's your business.

But if you are being cute and seeking to insinuate that those of us supporting the President are in league with those Republican assholes, then you are just more of the same "heat not light" problem plaguing DU right now. And I ask you to stop.

I truly do trust Obama's Republican advisors-and you should as well.

Just don't dare associate with me nuts like Paul or Grayson.

It's not helping. It's just heat where we don't need any more.

Not until every boy from here to Tim-buk-tu feels the winds of freedom blowing through their hair!

DU deserves better than this.

It would be good if there was a way for the cynics and the sarcastic to get a real-world taste of Paul in power, governing foreign policy. Imagine the joyous sarcasm.

Rejoice!!!

War crimes like gassing women and children, and just not "our" business anymore... because we all "know" that if we get involved, it will lead to perpetual war.

That was supposed to last months. They were supposed to meet the troops with flowers and candy.

Ok, either this is the best satire outside the Onion, or the weirdest OP I have read in a long time.

By the way, when exactly are you enlisting?

His best so far, too

with each other.

So if you want to attack Obama's allies, go right ahead.

I agree with you on attacking Paul though.

It's the Christian thing to do.

You said it.

If Paul favors Assad, then McCain favors Al Quaida

Which do you favor?

I mean earlier, you advocated "bombing them to the stone age," and now you're leaning on the "moderate credentials" of Cheney, Bush, and McCain...

So I can't tell if you're completely serious or if you're just having a go. Fucking Poe's Law.

I think its overdue to be delivered.
IBTL.

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Hillary voted for it. Biden voted for it. Kerry voted for it. So the fact that it may be the "moderate" position isn't necessarily strongly in favour.

And I'm here to help.

It doesn't follow, so it didn't help me.

If you're from the far center, why do you think any true Democrat would listen to this?

I'm talking to myself, of course...

both devastatingly on point.

I think Rand Paul is one of the major threats to the nation; he is a means for the oligarchs to kill the government, while avoiding the GOP stench that rightfully drives people away. He is a bigot, a hypocirte, and a general scumbag.

That being said, he is right on this issue.

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Guys like Bush, Cheney, McCain, etc never say stupid shit about foreign policy-only crazies like Paul.

I would much rather be associated with moderates like Bush, Cheney, McCain, Graham, Boehner - moderates who KNOW what is Right for the US and who know that supporting Obama's bombing of Syria is the Right thing to do.

Nobody wants to be like Donnie, that looser!11

Save the world!!!

They stand on good ground.

This is a serious matter and it deserves serious debate by well informed people of importance and not the knee jerk response of John Birchers like doofus or his daddy.

Become the party *against* surveillance and the police state; *against* assaults on whistleblowers, journalists, and the Constitution; *against* more warmongering; and for *increasing* rather than cutting social safety nets.

It is absolutely outrageous that corporate Democrats are reduced to attacking fringe, extreme libertarians just because they cannot tear themselves away from their corrupt corporate Masters to own the issues they should own.

Maybe that can stand for a living minimum wage, protecting the right of workers to unionize, and for the right for all our citizens to vote without harassment.

As long as both republicans and democrats are being paid by the same corporate masters the biggest differences boil down to the color of the ties they wear.

I'm pretty stunned that so many people are now Pro-War because Obama says Bomb 'em.

BaaaaBaaaaaBaaaaa

Then I am fine with him being on board.

I do agree that we should agree with Dean in instances where he agrees with Obama and McCain.

Hillary? Of course we should trust anyone who loved freedom enough to vote to invade Iraq.

Fortunately they're brave and courageous on this issue, and the former has never been wrong on this kind of thing before.

Anything else that you consider them wise on?

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You got me. Good one!

When I see your posts whooshing over the heads of seemingly smart people, I wonder if some folks are irony-deficient.

isn't a moderate voice. It's the voice of the MIC and people that seek profit. If I hear one more time that it is humanitarian, I will blow my lid. It is nothing but a chance to stir in a foreign country's agony and profit from it.

Ultimately, it is our young men and women that will suffer for it if we get involved in something that isn't our business.

The truth is, way too many people have already woken up to the nuttiness of the GOP to really be turned towards them just because of anti-war sentiments; after all, look at just how throughly their hypocrisy has been exposed!

Yes, I realize this is kind of a sarcastic post, but that's how it really is.

Afghanistan - Didn't work, Neither did Iraq, as didn't Libya, Egypt is a mess, and so is Israel. And there are many other countless places where our interventions, or threat of intervention didn't work. Why are we even considering intervention in Syria? I don't give a crap about the jerk Rand Paul.

You want to praise and follow an idiot-that is your prerogative. I don't have any respect for Cheney, Bush and Rumsfield, but I do have respect for our President, Secretary of State Kerry, Susan Rice, Hilary Clinton, VP Biden, Gov. Dean and other leaders who recognize that we need to act. I know that they have more knowledge, information and experience in regards to this atrocity.

Religion, guns, abortion, etc.

None of these issues, taken on their own, should be the solitary reason why a person should cast a vote.

I will make an exception.

War is the ultimate wedge issue (see Vietnam).

There are many, many people that will cast their vote based upon this single issue. Of all the wedge issues, war is the worst to be on the wrong side of.

A half-assed attack.