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Report1212

(661 posts)
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 12:54 PM Feb 2012

Oklahoma Republican Representative Says “Blood Money” From Drug Industry Killed Anti-Meth Bill

The drug industry is fighting these meth bills all over the country, at the same time a meth epidemic is savaging rural America. Sick.
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Republic Report earlier reported that the Consumer Healthcare Products Association (CHPA), an industry group representing over the counter drug makers, spent a whopping $194,957.76 in January alone lobbying against stricter regulations on the sales of certain cold medicines that can be used to produce methamphetamine.

The CHPA is also lobbying heavily in Oklahoma, and scored a victory earlier this week when the House Public Health Committee there defeated a bill along a 7-6 vote that would’ve enacted regulations similar to the ones Kentucky legislators are proposing. Rep. Doug Cox (R), a supporter of the bill, blamed the defeat on “blood money” from Big Pharma:

“This is blood money for the pharmaceutical industry,” Rep. Doug Cox, R-Grove, told lawmakers before the vote was taken. After the vote, Cox, a physician, said he didn’t know how he would be able to look police officers, social workers or prosecutors in the eye and tell them that the Legislature works for the public good.

Read more: http://www.republicreport.org/2012/blood-money-drug-industry-oklahoma-meth/

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Taverner

(55,476 posts)
1. I hate to break it to you, but these so-called anti-meth bills won't do squat
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 12:57 PM
Feb 2012

Just more prohibition legislation designed to make lawmakers feel better about waging a losing war.

Report1212

(661 posts)
2. Except meth is not like pot or alcohol
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 12:59 PM
Feb 2012

The ingredients that mass produce it are pretty much all controlled by the drug industry and produced via mass OTC sales. They are actually incredibly easy to control if they were regulated.

You can be a "Libertarian" and oppose any regulation of drugs, and I respect that. But I don't think the "practicality" argument holds up here at all.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
3. Hate to tell you this, but the large scale meth producers aren't using cold capsules.
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 01:06 PM
Feb 2012

the ones that are making it by the barrel are making it the old-fashioned way.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
9. Any way I'm aware of requires the use of pseudoephedrine.
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 01:24 PM
Feb 2012

And the easiest way of getting pseudoephedrine is through cold medication. Are you suggesting that meth makers have another source of cheap, abundant PE?

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
16. So we should make pseudoephredine easy to get because chemists can make it?
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 05:13 PM
Feb 2012

I'm really not following your logic at all here. There are a shitload of meth makers who are not chemists. Should we make it easier for them to distribute their dirty meth simply because most chemists can synthesize the stuff?

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
4. I do not argue the libertarian argument, but the harm reduction argument
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 01:08 PM
Feb 2012

Making drugs illegal does nothing to keep them out of the hands of users. Locking users up does nothing to stop drugs.

As per Meth - requiring a prescription for any and all pseudoephidrine will not stem the tide - it will just make the meth cooks change sources. They could go to Mexico and buy the Benadryl, or they could order wholesale online. If we flat out banned benadryl, a new drug would take its place. This has all happened before. In the 70s, when the major heroin smuggling rings were busted, it took about 2 days for new smuggling rings to pop up, and with a much more dangerous product: black tar heroin.

What I argue for is complete legalization of all drugs - and make meth OTC - so that a user can be sure they are getting a pure product, fully regulated, and the money we spend on the DEA instead goes to treatment.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
7. Benadryl is a sedative. I think you're thinking of Sudafed. ;)
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 01:16 PM
Feb 2012

A gas station refused to sell me Benadryl when I was breaking out in hives -- ended up going to the ER. Because they thought it was used to make meth. Maybe combination remedies with it, but I was just looking for diphenhydramine.

Edit to add: it's the antihistamine that's used in a lot of OTC sleep remedies.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
6. I disagree.
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 01:11 PM
Feb 2012

Given the already tight and paranoid attitude taken about these drugs, moving them behind the counter, requiring ID, etcetera, if that doesn't stop mass sales, how will this do it? These people aren't getting supplied by just walking into a random pharmacy and buying 1,000 boxes of Sudafed. They're being supplied under the table by crooked pharmacists and clerks, or stealing it out of back rooms and delivery trucks, etcetera.

How is making someone go and get a prescription every time they have a cold REALLY going to impact the meth industry? Short answer, it won't, at all. It's strictly feel-good legislation.

woodsprite

(11,923 posts)
8. I have a problem with them when I can't
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 01:19 PM
Feb 2012

get cold medicine that actually works, like Mucinex-D or Coricidin HBP, without showing my license or being made to feel like "I'm" the criminal.

Last week, my husband ran out of his Allegra at the same time I came down with a cold. Iwas told by my doc to take Mucinex. We weren't allowed to buy it at the same time or put it on the same license. As it is, hubby now needs to go get his Allegra 24-hr every 10 days for $18-$20 cash out of pocket each trip. He only gets 10 pills and is not allowed to buy 2 boxes. He asked about buying a 10pill box of 24hr and a 10pill box of 12hr (cause if you screw up your schedule, a 12hr pill might fill the gap). Still the answer was no.

Last year, when his Allegra was a script, it was covered by insurance (we still paid - $18 per script), but the script was for 30 days, and he could have it refilled 3x before having to get his script renewed.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
15. I had the same problem
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 04:19 PM
Feb 2012

I wanted to try Aleve-D for Sinus problems. I had to sign my life away so that I made sure that I wasn't using it for Meth. I told the girl that I'm not a chemist - how the heck would I know that. She would only give me a 10 day supply. I had to give her my driver's license and sign the form stating I was using the medication for it's prescribed use.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
5. I hate meth, but the new formulations of cold medicine don't do squat.
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 01:11 PM
Feb 2012

I found a new pharmacist that actually sells pseudoephedrine -- they won't at Wal-Mart pharmacies, etc., anymore in my state.

He takes your blood pressure as part of an exam, checks your ID, and will sell Mucinex-D... but I don't know if he does to anyone or just those of us who come in looking and sounding absolutely pathetic from being sick, like I have been the two times I've bought it.

Report1212

(661 posts)
13. I saw that a long time ago
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 03:50 PM
Feb 2012

It was a big part of the reason I learned about how pharma keeps this drug going.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
12. I read somewhere that there was a way to make pills or capsules
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 03:15 PM
Feb 2012

so as to make it much, much harder for cookers to extract the PE.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
14. Oklahoma narcs and prosecutors vs. cold medicine lobbyists.
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 04:02 PM
Feb 2012

I don't think I'd side with the Oklahoma narcs.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
17. Funny how they don't say the same thing about the gun lobby and gun control
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 05:34 PM
Feb 2012

It's already harder to buy cold medicine than a gun in Oklahoma.

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