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Heard on NPR station. During the hearing, Grayson asked Kerry (Original Post) eridani Sep 2013 OP
I've got that. It's a point I'm interested in too. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #1
love that look of determination on Rep. Grayson's face Skittles Sep 2013 #2
I do too. I really like his tenacity. juajen Sep 2013 #4
He's one of the few real assets the people have in Congress. LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #7
Bernie Sanders is another. But there are very few real assets we the people have in congress. Little Star Sep 2013 #13
these rebels? questionseverything Sep 2013 #16
I think you meant to post this to the OP not me? Little Star Sep 2013 #19
Damn, last time I saw a man look like that, he was bout to elbow another guy in the face Scootaloo Sep 2013 #3
And this is why Democrats should never appoint Republicans to key positions. pa28 Sep 2013 #18
They want to start a war, Unknown Beatle Sep 2013 #5
Obama/Kerry don't need no stinkin' rebel groups; they've got Saudis and all the MIC good ole' boys! Divernan Sep 2013 #6
Was this question cleared by PNAC? They're the ones in charge apparently. nt silvershadow Sep 2013 #8
Grayson needs to get his shit together and support the obama brand. KG Sep 2013 #9
They're gonna make their own! n2doc Sep 2013 #10
To bad this wont be shown on the msm newfie11 Sep 2013 #11
Could Syria be the next attempt at Neo-Con Paradise? Rain Mcloud Sep 2013 #12
The Arab League, which Kerry mentioned in other hearings, has given Assad's seat in their council to freshwest Sep 2013 #14
It's too bad the M$M don't cover things like this leftstreet Sep 2013 #15
K&R liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #17
k and r snagglepuss Sep 2013 #20
Well, it's not exactly in the interests of any such group Ken Burch Sep 2013 #21

LuvNewcastle

(16,858 posts)
7. He's one of the few real assets the people have in Congress.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 05:01 AM
Sep 2013

It's really sad to say that, but it's the truth.

questionseverything

(9,661 posts)
16. these rebels?
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 01:47 PM
Sep 2013

Al-Qaida-linked rebels launched an assault Wednesday on a regime-held Christian village in the densely populated west of Syria and new clashes erupted near the capital, Damascus — part of a brutal battle of attrition each side believes it can win despite more than two years of deadlock.

As the world focused on possible U.S. military action against Syria, rebels commandeered a mountaintop hotel in the village of Maaloula and shelled the community below, said a nun, speaking by phone from a convent in the village. She spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.

The attack came hours before a Senate panel voted to give President Barack Obama authority to use military force against Syria — the first time lawmakers have voted to allow military action since the October 2002 votes authorizing the invasion of Iraq.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2013-09-04/french-parliament-to-debate-syria-strikes

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
3. Damn, last time I saw a man look like that, he was bout to elbow another guy in the face
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 04:28 AM
Sep 2013

Rep. Grayson didn't seem at all happy with Hagel there

pa28

(6,145 posts)
18. And this is why Democrats should never appoint Republicans to key positions.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 03:47 PM
Sep 2013

Kerry wasn't much better to tell you truth. They're actually snickering among themselves because this congressman doesn't know his place.

We need three dozen more like Grayson.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
5. They want to start a war,
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 04:56 AM
Sep 2013

and are asked to supply information to the public for the use of airstrikes (missiles) and as always they say it's classified. That's one reason out of many that I don't believe them.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
6. Obama/Kerry don't need no stinkin' rebel groups; they've got Saudis and all the MIC good ole' boys!
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 04:56 AM
Sep 2013

pushing for "intervention", i.e., war, War, WAR!!! profits, Profits, PROFITS!

KG

(28,753 posts)
9. Grayson needs to get his shit together and support the obama brand.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 06:26 AM
Sep 2013

j/k

It's just embarrassing the shit that's coming out of Kerry's mouth. tried to listen but had to turn it off.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
10. They're gonna make their own!
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 06:47 AM
Sep 2013

The CIA is already on it. Soon our freedom fighters will be victorious, just like in Afghanistan! We are experienced in this matter.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
11. To bad this wont be shown on the msm
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 07:04 AM
Sep 2013

It is incredible how we are being pushed into a war that only the government wants.
Apparently their prepared to say and hide anything that would prevent one.

 

Rain Mcloud

(812 posts)
12. Could Syria be the next attempt at Neo-Con Paradise?
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 07:06 AM
Sep 2013

I have noticed the conspicuous lack of war clowns.
Rove,Rice,Kristol,Bremer,Wolfie,Powell,Cheney ad nauseum.
Hello,anybody out there(taps microphone)?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
14. The Arab League, which Kerry mentioned in other hearings, has given Assad's seat in their council to
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:52 AM
Sep 2013
a rebel group already, and I'm guessing Kerry thought everyone knew that already.

They are now supporting and working with the Syrian National Coalition as of March of this year. After they sent in their investigators in 2011 to monitor Assad's actions against the Arab Spring protestors, they decided to suspend him, allegedly for genocide. Their efforts to get him to stop failed.

The Arab League includes 22 nations reaching from the west coast of Africa, across all of the northern coast, Saudi Arabia and other nations. The ties that bind them are shared language, culture and economic, as well as the increase of women and children's rights. They have been in existance for over half a century.

The League suspended Quadaffi in 2011 for his treatment of his Arab Spring protestors and later gave Libya's seat to the interim government. Which is why there was not an outcry over the ouster of Quadaffi, in thei Arab world, he had been deemed a rogue for the slaughter of his people. So when the USA and other forces went after them, it was just matter of course for them. AFAIK, they did not send troops or supply air cover, they are not capable of it.

And it's likely the Arab world won't be upset now if Assad is forced out. We don't hear much about them despite their trade agreements with Britain and other western nations since they are focused solely on Arab concerns. But they exist and want Assad gone. as do Turkey and Jordan.

Only Turkey has ties to NATO, which was the first group they requested help but this is still not an Article 5 violation by their standards. Putin says that if he sees good, hard scientific evidence on the latest round of chemical weaponry, he will agree to a UN motion.

Russia, the USA and the 189 countries Alan notes, agreed as member states to not only get rid of their WMD, which include biological, chemical, radiological and nuclear weapons but to prevent their being made or used anywhere.

These are all matters of international agreements, of which Americans are largely unaware until something like this gets our attention.

leftstreet

(36,116 posts)
15. It's too bad the M$M don't cover things like this
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:24 PM
Sep 2013

It's so USA!!! centered you'd think every other spot on the map be filled with dragons

There was controversy about the suspension, too

The Arab Parliament recommended the suspension of member states Syria and Yemen on 20 September 2011, over persistent reports of disproportionate violence against regime opponents and activists during the Arab Spring.[13] A vote on 12 November agreed to formally suspend Syria four days after the vote, giving Assad a last chance to avoid suspension. Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen voted against the motion, while Iraq abstained.[14] A wave of criticism rose as the Arab League sent in December 2011 a commission "monitoring" violence on people protesting against the regime. The commission was headed by Mohammad Ahmed Mustafa al-Dabi, who served as head of Omar al-Bashir's military intelligence, while war crimes including genocide were allegedly committed on his watch.[15][16][17] On 6 March 2013, the Arab League granted the Syrian National Coalition Syria's seat in the Arab League.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_League
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
21. Well, it's not exactly in the interests of any such group
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 08:22 PM
Sep 2013

to out itself as a Crusader client. In fact, it would probably be suicidal.

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