The nerds have given, and the nerds can take away.

That article is hilarious unintended comedy. The internet began as a defense department research project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET

http://www.darpa.mil/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2554

amendment long before DARPA or the Internet, and that by developing it, it was always intended as a privacy-violating surveillance tool.

as "ethical internet stewards"?

Or ever imagined email to be secure?

I'm a lot more bothered by what Google and Bing do with my search history, or anyone else does with cookies and scripts than the government spying.

Here's just a few from yesterday's browser history:

doubleclick.com
zedo.com
fw.adsafeprotected.com
googleads.g.doubleclick.com
googleadservices.com
ib.adnxs.com
load.exelator.com
match.rtbidder.net

I can't imagine anyone with seriously dirty doings doing them online.


WTF is this crap?

Ghostery or Do Not Track.

proxies and which search engines and browsers reduce tracking.

But, the web now is set up to be a major spying and marketing machine. It knows far too much about all of us, and the government is probably the least of our problems.

..but we do have resources to cut down on tracking. I clean out my internet files and cookies frequently but notice that there hasn't been as many since using those utilities.

Quite common.

DARPA funds a lot of pure research. Arpanet was designed to allow research institutions to share data and communicate with one another. That was the original goal. The NSA wasn't part of that equation because nobody at that time knew where Arpanet was going to go.

When I started using the Internet, commerce was forbidden on it.

He's the go to guy on security issues. What he says carries a lot of weight with those who understand and work with the technology.

I guess I didn't understand your post. I don't know if I still understand it.

Sorry.

I also remember UUCP and usenet.

System!system2!user

He is a well respected long time member of the technical community who literally wrote the book on cryptography. He is not known to bluster.

Your implication is that he is unaware of the origins of the internet, and as such is somewhat offensive.

So we should totally support warrantless searches for anyone driving on the interstate.

Use of a system that was initially created by the federal government doesn't mean that you sign away all rights while using it.

nt

The Internet is a child of the military establishment. That's who created it. It has become something other than it was envisioned, but it started as a military project.

are you ready to hand back your microwave? Yeah thought so.

My comment was to the OP, whose source said it was time to turn the Internet back over to its creators. It appears that that source does not understand who created it.

DARPA is and has been involved in developing many things we use and many things we dislike. It is in the business of doing research that has military applications.

DARPA is what DARPA is. I'm neither praising it or condemning it.

The Internet has always been public domain,,,,,,, how funny that people now think it should be a private domain.

when you drive on public roads, you have certain expectations as to the privacy of the contents of your car. That's a little bit analogous to the very reasonable expectation that most people have that private communications on the internet are, (at least the contents) private. Maybe not the fact that there was a communication, who it was from and who it was to, and how long or how large it is, but the contents, one can, I think, reasonably expect to be kept private.

we could bring back Fidonet

chances are you're already employed by the NSA. If not, you will be made an offer when you make yourself relevant.

(I am not denigrating you, and an offer might be 'give us a private key or we throw you in jail' rather than a corner office with a view)