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WTF?
"Frankly, if we weren't talking about the need for an international response right now, this wouldn't be what everybody would be asking about," said Obama at a press conference this morning. "You know, there would be some resolutions that were being proffered in the United Nations and the usual hocus pocus, but the world and the country would have moved on. So trying to impart a sense of urgency about this, why we can't have an environment in which over time, people start thinking this we can get away with chemical weapons use--it's a hard sell, but it's something I believe in."
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Later, on September 16, when Washington condemned as mere duplicity Iraqs offer to allow unconditional inspection of its weapons facilities by U.N. inspectors, and again threatened war, Mandela asked: What right has Bush to say that Iraqs offer is not genuine? We must condemn that very strongly. No country, however strong, is entitled to comment adversely in the way the U.S. has done. They think theyre the only power in the world. Theyre not and theyre following a dangerous policy. One country wants to bully the world
http://monthlyreview.org/2002/11/01/november-2002-volume-54-number-6
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2002/09/09/nelson-mandela-the-u-s-a-is-a-threat-to-world-peace.html
jsr
(7,712 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Is generally ineffective unless it is chastising a G20 country.
That's just my perception though.
I view them as sitting on their hands on everything, it's a lot of pomp and circumstance, and the only time anyone in the world has really paid attention to anything coming out of that body the past few years - was when former Iranian President Ahmadinejad would go there to deny the holocaust in a formal speech.
Now, I'm loving the new Foreign Minister of Iran - Mohammad Javad Zarif. What a difference one man's words can make. I don't think we will be hearing anymore holocaust denying wingnuttery crazy talk out of Iran's representatives at the UN anymore.
But even if we did - they would just get up and throw their hissy fit of 'leaving the room' as opposed to someone telling them the Iran representative to "shut the fuck up and sit down - you aren't helping the world."
Yeah - good idea back in the day . . . but pretty worthless in the post Cold War era. . . In the virtual age - there's no reason they can't do teleconferencing and save every single member country a lot of money for them to do Absolutely Nothing.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)Most recently, it voted 10-0 (with 5 abstentions) to authorize military force in Libya. It also authorized military force for the first Gulf war, as well as many, many peacekeeping missions. It is true that General Assembly meetings often are more spectacle than serious interaction.
In this case, I would feel much better about any US action in Syria if it were accompanied by a supportive Security Council vote. Obviously Russia will veto any use of force, but if a sizable majority of the Security Council agreed, it would make the operation a lot more legitimate internationally.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)That's a good point about Libya - but even right here in the US it used by Democrats paint President Obama as an evil murdering despot.
I would like to see the UN security council vote for it - but the US stand down completely from armed interevention. We should take humanitarian aid duty - and extend that to Lebanon which has absorbed millions of Syrian's fleeing this nightmare.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)... because it had support from the Arab League and the UN.
I agree with you-- humanitarian aid would earn far more goodwill than anything else we could do.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)Or what he stands for.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)The UN has dropped the ball countless times when it comes to aggressive, war-oriented humanitarian crisis. They have done a pretty good job of dealing with refugees and getting aid to the appropriate places when needed. But they often do not do their job when it comes to enforcing the Geneva conventions and dealing with war criminals.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)we were all waiting for to blot out the worldwide effects of Bush's cowboy act? Well at least now I know where our ambassador got her attitude towards the U.N.