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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 02:48 PM Sep 2013

Attack on Syria Endangers U.S.

CALL CONGRESS MONDAY MORNING AND DON'T STOP UNTIL THEY VOTE DOWN THE WAR RESOLUTION.

Self evidently, attacking Syria has nothing to do with defending the U.S.

No one claims that Syria has attacked the United States or plans to attack the United States. Syria will not attack the United States, except perhaps in the case that the U.S. attacks Syria. That, in itself, should be sufficient to oppose the resolution authorizing an unprovoked war on Syria.**

After all the unpunished war crimes and acts of aggression committed by the U.S. government, resulting in millions of deaths, this government's officials have no standing or authority to play world police.

If there was an effective world police, in fact, they would be hunting down, arresting and bringing charges against dozens of former and current U.S. officials (from every U.S. administration since at least Reagan) for planning and waging wars of aggression and for committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.

The proposed U.S. aggression in Syria is based on lies, as with all prior U.S. initiations of aggression.*

The present U.S. government claims to be responding to the gas attack that killed Syrian civilians, but there is no consensus on who is responsible for the gas attack. Rather than wait for the U.N. to complete its investigation, U.S. threats caused the U.N. chemical weapons investigators to flee Syria. Why did the U.S. do that? Does an unhindered U.N. investigation pose a threat?

Even if this is a police action, there is no cover of international law, no support in the United Nations or even in NATO.

That means the proposed U.S. intervention is, at best, a unilateral, lawless, vigilante action.

This time there is no "coalition," even less of one than with the war of aggression on Iraq.

The only candidates for such a "coalition" include

- France (the former European colonizer of Syria, which should be paying reparations for its past crimes against that country)

- Saudi Arabia (the worst regime in the world, supporting not the Syrian revolution but the worst extremist jihadists who have infiltrated into Syria)

- Israel (under the control of parties that have explicitly declared the desire to see all Arab nations smashed and balkanized)

and

- Turkey (under the control of an Islamist party facing its own popular uprising and, like all Turkish governments, interested only in the suppression of the Kurds living in Syria)

But of course it's even worse than that!

The proposed aggression invites attack on the U.S.

Where there is no threat whatsoever to the U.S., the proposed U.S. aggression creates a threat! It is a gamble with our lives.

It also creates the threat of a wider war. With Russia, Iran, France, Turkey, Saudi and the Gulf States, Hizbollah and Iraq all involved in different parts of this conflict, a U.S. attack raises the chance of a world war from zero to something greater than zero. No matter how low, that is an unacceptable risk.

There is a new Iranian president seeking peace with the U.S. Iran and the U.S., together with Russia and the EU, can negotiate a solution to end hostilities in Syria.

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Note

* Don't come at me with your examples of "Stopping Hitler" unless you care to argue that the U.S. started World War II. In 1941 the U.S. was attacked and defended itself. This has nothing to do with the constant covert and overt wars the U.S. has waged around the world ever since.

Among the covert wars but never much of a secret was of course that the U.S. armed and trained one side in the Rwandan conflict while France armed and backed the other, meaning that the civil war there was partly the result of Western intervention, contrary to the lie that the West didn't intervene. France intervened to protect those who committed the genocide. And for 20 years "Rwanda" has been used as the favored example of the humanitarian imperialists. They rely on ignorance.

** The U.S. military should exist solely for its stated function of "defense." Of course, it exists mainly to eat half of the U.S. discretionary budget in the corporate crusade against self-manufactured threats.


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Attack on Syria Endangers U.S. (Original Post) JackRiddler Sep 2013 OP
Most excellent and truthful OP Jack! k&r Little Star Sep 2013 #1
Thank you. JackRiddler Sep 2013 #2
bump JackRiddler Sep 2013 #3
don't just rec, kick! JackRiddler Sep 2013 #4
For a long list of covert war involvement see Ward Churchill's AnotherDreamWeaver Sep 2013 #5
I wish I could rec this 1000 times. Catherina Sep 2013 #6
thanks! JackRiddler Sep 2013 #7
By the way, reccing 1000 times is easy... JackRiddler Sep 2013 #15
Kick! felix_numinous Sep 2013 #8
Thank you! JackRiddler Sep 2013 #11
K&R woo me with science Sep 2013 #9
Thank you. JackRiddler Sep 2013 #10
It can collapse the global economy, and sabre rattling already has too much impact. Coyotl Sep 2013 #12
It can also turn into a global war. JackRiddler Sep 2013 #13
Agreed. Coyotl Sep 2013 #17
Happy to kick this! scarletwoman Sep 2013 #14
IT'S MONDAY! CALL YOUR CRITTERS!!! JackRiddler Sep 2013 #16
TUESDAY MORNING! KEEP CALLING'EM! JackRiddler Sep 2013 #18
The relevant truth is often naive... JackRiddler Sep 2013 #19
bumpity for more telephone action... JackRiddler Sep 2013 #20

AnotherDreamWeaver

(2,850 posts)
5. For a long list of covert war involvement see Ward Churchill's
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 06:29 PM
Sep 2013

"On the JUSTICE of ROOSTING CHICKENS" for which he got fired, even as a tenured professor. It only has things up to 2003.

That's my K & R...

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
6. I wish I could rec this 1000 times.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 07:01 PM
Sep 2013

Any attack against the sovereign country of Syria is illegal under international law. How did so many of our politicians sleep through that one?

I want more investigation into these so-called rebels who our State Department classifies as Al-Qaeda Terrorists but who mysteriously turn into Freedom Fighters the minute they cross over into Syria with our weapons.

Afghanistan Mujaheddin Redux. No thank you. Stick it where the sun don't shine.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
15. By the way, reccing 1000 times is easy...
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 02:23 PM
Sep 2013

Just get the right Persona Management software from your friendly air force contacts. I think it's being used productively by others on this site already. =

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
12. It can collapse the global economy, and sabre rattling already has too much impact.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 02:38 PM
Sep 2013

Crude Oil at 28-Month High on Heightened Syria Tensions = Saudi's Profits Enormous
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023616321

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
13. It can also turn into a global war.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 02:01 PM
Sep 2013

Sheer madness, to do nothing to end the killing in Syria for two years and then go straight to a bombing.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
14. Happy to kick this!
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 02:09 PM
Sep 2013

I didn't see this on Friday, otherwise I would have kicked & rec'd it then.

This strike Syria insanity is thanks to the PNACers and Bandar Bush - and is aimed straight at Iran.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
19. The relevant truth is often naive...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:10 PM
Sep 2013

My friend Jenna Pope puts it thusly on Facebook. There's more to it - a lot of complexity to the situation - but the relevant truth is incredibly simple. If you've watched the serial killer of nations at work, are you really going to make excuses for its latest proposal of murder?

Anybody who thinks the US attacks other countries in order to help the people living there is completely and utterly delusional. The US government doesn't give a fuck about it's own people, many of whom are living in poverty while just a few control the majority of the wealth... so what makes you think they would care about people living overseas?

A small amount of people have been saying they agree with the possibility of a US military strike in Syria. Perhaps intervention in some way is needed, but do you really want the US - a country that is known for beginning wars based off of lies, and committing atrocities during these "wars" - to get in the middle of this with a military strike? There has already been enough suffering and death in Syria... I do not wish for them to now have to deal with another government who looks to wage war and kill for their own benefit.
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