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cali

(114,904 posts)
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 04:32 PM Sep 2013

Al-Arabiya is claiming that Assad has launched another gas attack

what a shock that the Saudi owned station would make such a claim.

Syrian forces have used gas against the Qabun neighborhood of Damascus, Al-Arabiya is reporting citing activists, according to a Bloomberg News report of what the station said.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/syria-said-to-use-gas-against-qabun-neighborhood-2013-09-06?siteid=bulletrss

I wouldn't put anything past the Saudis to get the U.S. to launch a military strike.

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Al-Arabiya is claiming that Assad has launched another gas attack (Original Post) cali Sep 2013 OP
I'm going to wait for confirmation, as I always do. MineralMan Sep 2013 #1
I consider sources. May I suggest that you do as well? Do you know what cali Sep 2013 #2
I'm distrustful of all Middle Eastern media. MineralMan Sep 2013 #4
Al-Arabiya is the personal creation of the Saudi royal family. Xithras Sep 2013 #5
That's why I wouldn't even have posted their report MineralMan Sep 2013 #8
+1. Sources like RT, AJ, & FNC are outlets of propaganda financed by foreign sources, none of whom Tarheel_Dem Sep 2013 #20
I agree. dgibby Sep 2013 #3
...and we can never get better so we should never try? brooklynite Sep 2013 #7
How big a war are you willing to commit to? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #10
As small and contained as possible... brooklynite Sep 2013 #11
"As small and contained as possible..." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #12
"Give peace a chance" is equally meaningless... brooklynite Sep 2013 #14
And just like that we have mission-creep. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #17
Not with military intervention. dgibby Sep 2013 #18
This is where things get weird whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #6
So we don't take military action now, but if he does it again, boy will he be in trouble? brooklynite Sep 2013 #16
Maybe whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #19
Even treating the report as true none of the proposed courses of action would mitigate this Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #9
Thank you Cali. Owned by Saudi Prince and Cabinet Minister, Abdul Aziz bin Fahd Catherina Sep 2013 #13
I'll wait for a major media network for confirmation or denial. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #15
none yet..... spanone Sep 2013 #21
Everything is unreliable according to someone or another Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #22
""""""activists"""""" BOG PERSON Sep 2013 #23
If the Arab-League wants Syria attacked, let THEM do it SoCalDem Sep 2013 #24

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
1. I'm going to wait for confirmation, as I always do.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 04:44 PM
Sep 2013

I'll not come to any conclusion about this until other reports are available.

I recommend that for you, too. But you might ignore my suggestion.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. I consider sources. May I suggest that you do as well? Do you know what
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 04:46 PM
Sep 2013

Al-Arabiya is?

Of course I'll wait for other sources, but yes, I'm deeply distrustful of the Saudis. '

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
4. I'm distrustful of all Middle Eastern media.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 04:49 PM
Sep 2013

Always. I'll wait. I consider almost all of it to be unreliable without corroboration. And yes, I do know what Al-Arabiya is. Thanks. As unreliable as the rest of them.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
5. Al-Arabiya is the personal creation of the Saudi royal family.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 04:53 PM
Sep 2013

They created it because they were tired of being skewered by Al Jazeera, and wanted to create a pro-Saudi competitor that would do their bidding.

They're about as reliable as RT or Fox News.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
8. That's why I wouldn't even have posted their report
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 04:58 PM
Sep 2013

without corroboration from other sources.


Government-owned media should always be taken with a grain of salt unless corroborated. And Fox news, your other example, should be disregarded in all cases. It's proven to be incorrect so many times that it's not even worth looking at.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
20. +1. Sources like RT, AJ, & FNC are outlets of propaganda financed by foreign sources, none of whom
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:41 PM
Sep 2013

have the interests of the US at heart. I've even had to take a break from my beloved BBC, because hosts like Katty Kay & Mark Mardell have been at the forefront of pushing for some sort of US military action, and not calling on their own country to do the same.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
3. I agree.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 04:47 PM
Sep 2013

Even if it's true, it still doesn't justify military action by the US. We have used DU, napalm, agent orange, white phosphorous, cluster bombs, land mines, torture, and gawd only knows what else. We've sold chemical weapons to rogue states, used our own civilians and military for medical experimentation (unbeknown to them), instigated civil wars in sovereign countries, deposed democratically leaders, attacked countries that didn't attack us, waged illegal and immoral wars, etc, etc, etc. All of those people are just as dead as are the victims of the sarin gas attacks in Syria. The idea that we, alone, are the arbitors of what weapons are not acceptable is ludicrous.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
10. How big a war are you willing to commit to?
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:04 PM
Sep 2013

I won't hit you with the chickenhawk-go-enlist retort but if stopping Assad is really the goal and presumably allowing AQ to not take over is a priority just how big a war should we wage?

brooklynite

(94,603 posts)
11. As small and contained as possible...
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:09 PM
Sep 2013

...with the limited purpose of disabling Assad's ability to deliver chemical weapon payloads...using the thoughtfulness of a President who's not George Bush or Dick Cheney.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
12. "As small and contained as possible..."
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:11 PM
Sep 2013

is a meaningless statement when you have no idea what it will take to achieve that goal and have no way of even verifying if it is achieved.

brooklynite

(94,603 posts)
14. "Give peace a chance" is equally meaningless...
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:12 PM
Sep 2013

...when the war has been underway for two years and has resisted any attempts at peaceful negotiation.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
17. And just like that we have mission-creep.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:17 PM
Sep 2013

You've gone from neutralizing CWs to imposing peace on two factions who only want annihilation of their opposite member. You're not going to have peace unless you're willing to kill everyone who wants war. That's not "as small as possible."

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
18. Not with military intervention.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:28 PM
Sep 2013

I'm a retired Viet Nam era Navy nurse. I hope you never see what I've seen. I hope I never see it again. If you want war, enlist or send your family. I've seen all the death and destruction from war that I can stomach. You need to walk the walk. Talk is cheap when you don't have a dog in the fight.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
6. This is where things get weird
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 04:56 PM
Sep 2013

Of course we paint our enemies as madmen any chance we get, but who believes Assad would commit suicide with a gas attack now that we're bearing down on him?

brooklynite

(94,603 posts)
16. So we don't take military action now, but if he does it again, boy will he be in trouble?
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:15 PM
Sep 2013

There is apparent philosophy among minority dictatorships that hey essentially have nothing to lose. The President/Dictator/General might escape to enjoy his embezzled billions in Monaco, but everyone below him faces a death sentence if the majority opposition ever overthrows them. So, as irrational as it might seem to us, use of WMD to cow the opposition might appear to be a rational action, especially is no repercussions are assumed.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
19. Maybe
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:29 PM
Sep 2013

but I think you'd have to be pretty crazy to unchain the US when world opinion is going your way. That's why I view reports like this with some skepticism.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
9. Even treating the report as true none of the proposed courses of action would mitigate this
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:02 PM
Sep 2013

let alone end it. Nothing of substance can be done short of a larger war.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
13. Thank you Cali. Owned by Saudi Prince and Cabinet Minister, Abdul Aziz bin Fahd
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:11 PM
Sep 2013
Owned, along with the rest of the Middle East Broadcasting Center, by Saudi Prince and Cabinet Minister, Abdul Aziz bin Fahd and broadcast from Dubai by a bunch of wealthy playboys who offered to pick up the whole tab for our Syria Attack if we'll just be their mercenary army.

The US Governing Council banned it in Iraq because it was THAT full of lies and propaganda efforts to inflame sectarian hatred and cause more mayhem.

Citing Activists? No credibility.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
15. I'll wait for a major media network for confirmation or denial.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:15 PM
Sep 2013

But I have been told by some they are unreliable too.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
22. Everything is unreliable according to someone or another
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:46 PM
Sep 2013

Your best bet is to grab a camera and/or voice recorder and get your ass to Syria.

If you want things done, you gotta do it yourself.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
24. If the Arab-League wants Syria attacked, let THEM do it
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 06:17 PM
Sep 2013

It's an internecine squabble that's been going on between tribal leaders FOREVER, and at least the Arab League countries have oil-money they could use, and THEY benefit most (by proximity and refugee travelers), let THEM do the policing..

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