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(86,006 posts)
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 10:50 AM Feb 2012

Sen. Mikulski to Sec. Clinton on Md. Guard death: 'Was it worth it?'


A U.S. Army carry team moves the transfer case of Maj. Robert Marchanti. Maj. Marchanti of Baltimore County was one of two U.S. officers who died in an attack at the Interior Ministry in Afghanistan. - Win McNamee/GETTY IMAGES

2:50 p.m. EST, February 28, 2012

____ Robert Marchanti, 48, a longtime physicial education teacher in the Baltimore County schools, leaves a wife, their four children and a grandchild.

Mikulski, a longtime supporter of Clinton, said his death had filled Maryland with grief . . .

“My question is, what do we tell his family? What do I tell his family today? Was it worth it?”

Mikulski said the United States had “the best of intentions” when it launched the war in Afghanistan after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

“But here we are,” she said. “They’re growing dope. Girls still can’t go to school like the way we would like to. There’s corruption.

"And now, because of an inadvertent act, the relationship is so fragile. … What do I tell his family? Was it worth it? When are they coming home? What would you say if you had to make the phone call that I’m going to make this afternoon?"

Sec. Clinton responded . . .


read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-mikulski-clinton-marchanti-20120228,0,2247610.story?track=rss

related:

Baltimore County soldier died in Afghan Interior Ministry attack - February 27
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/baltimore-county-soldier-died-in-afghan-interior-ministry-attack/2012/02/27/gIQAf4kreR_print.html
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Sen. Mikulski to Sec. Clinton on Md. Guard death: 'Was it worth it?' (Original Post) bigtree Feb 2012 OP
Was it the Koran burning that kicked off this spate o violence? JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #1
I refuse to grant murderers the dignity of rationalizing their violence Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #3
Wasn't trying to rationalize it JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #9
Cause and effect is always trumped by moral culpability. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #11
Well, that is a bit different. JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #14
good for mz mikulski -- although i don't think we went into afghanistan xchrom Feb 2012 #2
we went there for access to oil magical thyme Feb 2012 #7
Clinton probably wanted to say - Hell No.. or Ask George Bush eom DURHAM D Feb 2012 #4
their answers would be less relevant bigtree Feb 2012 #5
She didn't vote that way in the Senate. former9thward Feb 2012 #6
You may want to watch her speech in the Senate. DURHAM D Feb 2012 #13
Clinton was all for war magical thyme Feb 2012 #8
poppycock DURHAM D Feb 2012 #12
Get us OUT of there! Chuuku Davis Feb 2012 #10
K&R for Senator Barb! (nt) JaneQPublic Feb 2012 #15

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
1. Was it the Koran burning that kicked off this spate o violence?
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 10:55 AM
Feb 2012

Because if it was I should think the assholes who did that that should be asked "Was it worth it?" Assholes.

Julie

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
3. I refuse to grant murderers the dignity of rationalizing their violence
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 11:04 AM
Feb 2012

It's a book. No book is worth a human life. Those who might think otherwise are the real offense.

No, this is not a slap to Islam as I know plenty of Muslims who reject their so-called co-religionists using every excuse to commit acts of violence.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
9. Wasn't trying to rationalize it
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 11:32 AM
Feb 2012

It just seemed to me that asking SoS Clinton "was it worth it?" hardly seems to be asking the right person.

I don't think what happened was acceptable for any reason. I do think we should be clear about cause and effect though.

Julie

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
11. Cause and effect is always trumped by moral culpability.
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 11:52 AM
Feb 2012

I think OWS is childish, tin-eared and spiteful for burning US flags but the instant some "patriot" hauls-off and hits an Occupier I couldn't care less about cause and effect; I place the blame solely on the attacker and support the Occupier.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
14. Well, that is a bit different.
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 01:11 PM
Feb 2012

What if you were in a country we bombed back even further into the stone age than they already were? By your view the people of Afghanistan should be content to just look askance at inflammatory incidents. After all, to do otherwise would simply be uncivilized.

Interesting that you chose the "parallel" that you did. The only similarity I see is that "Occupier" is applicable in both situations but very differently. America is currently the Occupier in Afghanistan and, apparently, you will always "support the Occupier". Got it.

Julie

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
2. good for mz mikulski -- although i don't think we went into afghanistan
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 10:56 AM
Feb 2012

understanding afghanistan or even with the best of intentions.

we went there for -- well really for one reason -- to hit back and look good doing it.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
7. we went there for access to oil
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 11:25 AM
Feb 2012

It was #2 on PNAC's list of countries to take over. Iraq was #1 on the list.

Behind Afghanistan is a landlocked country (I forget which) with oil. The pipeline to the nearest sea route goes smack through Afghanistan. The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan first, on trumped up charges to access and control that oil, and failed. We followed suit, and failed. Afghanistan: the land where empires go to die.

bigtree

(86,006 posts)
5. their answers would be less relevant
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 11:14 AM
Feb 2012

. . . to the aim of Sen. Mikulski to persuade the Obama administration to bring about a quicker end to the occupation and deployments.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
8. Clinton was all for war
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 11:29 AM
Feb 2012

She sided with the Generals and pushed Obama for the failed expansion. Biden sided with Baker and pushed for a narrowed focus on al Qaeda only...the approach we are currently pursuing.

I had always thought (hoped) Clinton's war-mongering mentality was due to her need as a democratic woman in politics to appear extra tough. It turns out she is just another armchair warrior, ready, willing and able to send other people's children to die so that hers can have access to cheap oil. Huge disappointment to me.

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