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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 04:32 AM Sep 2013

Juan Cole: How Putin Saved Obama, Congress and the EU from Further Embarrassing themselves on Syria

How Putin Saved Obama, Congress and the European Union from Further Embarrassing themselves on Syria

Posted on 09/10/2013 by Juan Cole

Secretary of State John Kerry was asked at a press conference in London Monday morning if there was anything that could forestall a US missile attack on Damascus, and he replied off the cuff that Syria could surrender its chemical weapons stockpile to the international community within a week.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov pounced on Kerry’s comment, abruptly announcing that Russia would see what it could do. Lavrov said, “If the establishment of international control over chemical weapons in that country would allow avoiding strikes, we will immediately start working with Damascus . . . We are calling on the Syrian leadership to not only agree on placing chemical weapons storage sites under international control, but also on its subsequent destruction and fully joining the treaty on prohibition of chemical weapons,”

Syria’s portly Foreign Minister Walid Muallim clearly knows how to chow down while the meal is still hot, and he wasted no time embracing Lavrov’s suggestion. Muallim said, “The Syrian leadership welcomes the Russian initiative because of its own eagerness to preserve the lives of Syrian citizens and ensure the security of the country, and given our confidence in the desire of the Russian leadership to prevent an attack on our country.”

...

He can now possibly avoid the most embarrassing defeat in congress of a president on a major international issue since that body told Woodrow Wilson where he could stick his League of Nations.

Likewise, Putin’s proposal ironically helped soothe troubled waters in the European Union. German Chancellor Angela Merkel was by all accounts absolutely furious at Spain, Britain and France for issuing a statement at the G20 meeting in Moscow supportive of President Obama’s condemnation of Syria for chemcial weapons use (though they did not back a military attack on Syria). Merkel reprimanded Spain in particular for not waiting for a joint European Union statement. (For Spain to defy Germany at this point in time is rather like a deeply indebted gambler being rude to the casino owner). Spain for its part only talked a good game, going on to say that Spanish law forbade the Spanish military from in any way being involved with the US assault on Damascus, since it is not in self-defense.. It is not clear what Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy was supporting at the G20, if he thinks military action so illegal that Spain has to avoid having anything to do with it. And, of course, the British Parliament had rebuked Prime Minister David Cameron for considering joining the US in air strikes on Syria.

...

The Russian initiative is not attractive because it seems practical or likely to be swiftly implemented but because it allows everyone involved to save face. Obama can look statesmanlike. He is already taking credit for Putin’s move, saying it would not have come about without his own saber-rattling.

...

http://www.juancole.com/2013/09/congress-embarrassing-themselves.html

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Juan Cole: How Putin Saved Obama, Congress and the EU from Further Embarrassing themselves on Syria (Original Post) Catherina Sep 2013 OP
Grandmaster Vlad from Leningrad learns a new tune Fumesucker Sep 2013 #1
One dictator saves another oberliner Sep 2013 #2
Syria is the conduit for bombs that kill Israelis Kolesar Sep 2013 #3
There are BAD people everywhere HangOnKids Sep 2013 #29
Aww, a little Putin-love. CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #4
+ 1000 jessie04 Sep 2013 #5
Yup. HappyMe Sep 2013 #9
But he's dreamy... SidDithers Sep 2013 #11
great article. Imagine how disappointed Kerry, Obama, etc ellenrr Sep 2013 #6
Do you think the President actually wanted to go to war? nt brush Sep 2013 #37
ummm no I guess the reason Hegel and Kerry drummed up the war footing and the reason ellenrr Sep 2013 #60
Consider this please brush Sep 2013 #61
Thanks for laying out the timeline accurately. another_liberal Sep 2013 #7
Kerry also said that it was 'impossible' to accomplish B2G Sep 2013 #16
Too true. another_liberal Sep 2013 #20
How Juan Cole embarrassed himself with a one-sided analysis BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #8
Maybe you should apply for his job? HangOnKids Sep 2013 #35
Then why didn't Putin do this in the first place? nt treestar Sep 2013 #10
He did. another_liberal Sep 2013 #21
Then why didn't he allow for UN involvement? treestar Sep 2013 #24
That's rather narrow-sighted. another_liberal Sep 2013 #32
Obama and Putin discussed this weapons plan idea at the G20 summit last week pampango Sep 2013 #12
This analysis makes absolutely no sense. ProSense Sep 2013 #13
Recommend jsr Sep 2013 #14
The Putin worship on the anti-war left should surprise me, but doesn't. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #15
There is a Putin RAWKS thread? HangOnKids Sep 2013 #36
The theme of the day is geek tragedy Sep 2013 #38
Does that translate into Putin RAWKS? HangOnKids Sep 2013 #42
He is the genius whose desire to see geek tragedy Sep 2013 #45
Comic Book HangOnKids Sep 2013 #48
Much of this site views Obama as a comic book villain. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #51
Sorry not seeing it HangOnKids Sep 2013 #55
And it only took him a couple minutes between flight training sessions snooper2 Sep 2013 #17
!!!! dionysus Sep 2013 #18
The warmongers are out in force over this potential deal. blackspade Sep 2013 #19
Oh please. HappyMe Sep 2013 #22
Then you've been reading with your mind shut. blackspade Sep 2013 #27
Oh thank you, wise one! HappyMe Sep 2013 #33
You're oh, so welcome.... blackspade Sep 2013 #41
We can't give up the opportunity to cripple Hezbollah's chief ally, Syria. another_liberal Sep 2013 #23
I hope you are being sarcastic... blackspade Sep 2013 #26
I was being sarcastic. another_liberal Sep 2013 #34
My apologies then! blackspade Sep 2013 #43
No problem. another_liberal Sep 2013 #44
I want it to work but I'm not holding my breath. Catherina Sep 2013 #40
Juan Cole can go to hell. n/t Avalux Sep 2013 #25
Russia disagrees with Cole ProSense Sep 2013 #28
A more complete victory for Putin could not have been imagined LittleBlue Sep 2013 #30
Yes, all hail Putin, the genius who saved mankind geek tragedy Sep 2013 #39
You can admire someone's brilliance without LittleBlue Sep 2013 #46
Yes, yes a real idiot that Obama fellow is. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #47
Because Obama was facing a 200 vote defeat in the house LittleBlue Sep 2013 #53
Kremlin says you all are the dummies. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #54
Of course he's going to say that LittleBlue Sep 2013 #57
Your inability to understand how diplomacy works geek tragedy Sep 2013 #58
It's hilarious treestar Sep 2013 #62
K & R. Thanks! n/t ocpagu Sep 2013 #31
Actually, I think the "saving" was done by the British Parliament and public opinion. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #49
Putin can go fuck himself for a number of reasons. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #50
Just in: Putin to RT: "Syria chem arms handover will work only if US calls off strike" Catherina Sep 2013 #52
I hate Putin's disgraceful stance on gay rights....... Little Star Sep 2013 #56
Same here. HOWEVER. I think the hawks outweigh the level-headed people & are messing this up Catherina Sep 2013 #59

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
3. Syria is the conduit for bombs that kill Israelis
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:26 AM
Sep 2013

Can "Uncle Vlad" work on that one, too?
He is the patron of the other party that is responsible, too: Iran.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
4. Aww, a little Putin-love.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:43 AM
Sep 2013

What's next...agreeing with Palin to "let Allah sort it out?"

Keep laying down with the dogs FTW!

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
9. Yup.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:21 AM
Sep 2013

It's a bird! It's a plane! It's PutinMan! Able to leap over human rights with a single bound!

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
6. great article. Imagine how disappointed Kerry, Obama, etc
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:04 AM
Sep 2013

will be if they cannot go to war...it's almost funny.
Kerry makes an off-the cuff remark..I can imagine Obama, and Hegel are berating him-"Look what you've done". Now we might not have war."

and the response I've read is "Can you believe anything Putin or Assad said?"

DUH, take a look at what Obama said 5 years ago...

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
60. ummm no I guess the reason Hegel and Kerry drummed up the war footing and the reason
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 02:36 PM
Sep 2013

the President made more outreach on this issue than on any previous -
such as public option, or hands off Social Security-

was because he wants peace...

brush

(53,782 posts)
61. Consider this please
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:01 PM
Sep 2013

I don't think the President wants to do the Syrian strike at all but being PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND COMMAMDER-IN-CHIEF OF EMPIRE and all that entails demands continual war to quiet the media war drummers and the congressional corporate puppets of the military industrial complex, plus of course, keeping MIC coffers full. His flipping of the script to turn the decision over to Congress, IMHO, shows that he's trying to find a way out of intervention but he has to maintain the facade of being for it, same thing with Kerry and Rice — united front and all. And remember, his reputation for taking out the bad guys like Ben Ladin, Khaddaffi and to some degree Mubarak goes before him. So he has that going for him by keeping the pressure on Syria.

I also understand that he and Putin (who all the Obama haters are now giving credit for the idea) discussed the surrender of Syria's chem weapons not just at the recent G20 conference but during the summer also.

I think the President really doesn't care who gets credit but a solution seems to have been arrived at without a shot being fired. That's how you use the power of the US. Assad blinked, partly because what happened to Ben Ladin is playing on his mind.

Funny how that keeps happening with this president — except in Ben Ladin's case, thankfully.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
7. Thanks for laying out the timeline accurately.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:18 AM
Sep 2013

I'm about sick of hearing how Sec. of State John Kerry, "Forced Syria to give up her chemical weapons." He answered a question about that possibility, and as soon as he realized his answer could be construed as an acceptance of that option (an option which would also take airstrikes off the table) he tried to take it back. Happily, by then it was too late.

I'm pretty sure the threat of war with Syria is past, but that doesn't mean our government wouldn't welcome an excuse to go right back to the brink. Lets just hope no one (like the Syrian rebels) gives them such an excuse.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
16. Kerry also said that it was 'impossible' to accomplish
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 10:06 AM
Sep 2013

Those giving Kerry & Obama credit for this are delusional.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
20. Too true.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:36 PM
Sep 2013

Kerry fumbled, Putin recovered and scored. Yet, we are supposed to give the points to the administration?

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
8. How Juan Cole embarrassed himself with a one-sided analysis
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:15 AM
Sep 2013

that devotes all of one paragraph to Putin's pro-Assad motives.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
21. He did.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:38 PM
Sep 2013

President Obama was presented with the same plan at the recent G-20 meeting. He brushed it off as not acceptable.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
24. Then why didn't he allow for UN involvement?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:47 PM
Sep 2013

Why veto that?

He didn't do it until there was a threat from the US.

Typical of thugs like him.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
12. Obama and Putin discussed this weapons plan idea at the G20 summit last week
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:36 AM
Sep 2013
Russia has backed up US claims that Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin discussed the idea of putting Syria's chemical weapons under international control at the G20 summit last week.

On Monday the idea appeared to emerge from a slip by US secretary of state John Kerry, which was then seized on by Moscow.

But in TV interviews Obama insisted that he had first raised the idea at the G20 summit as his administration scrambled to claim credit for the Russian deal and insisted Syria was responding to US pressure. "It is unlikely that we would have arrived at that point without a credible military threat," Obama told CNN.

Now Obama's version of events has been backed by Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov. "The issue was discussed," Peskov told Reuters. He would not say who raised the issue or give other details.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/10/syria-crisis-iran-backs-russia-chemical-weapons-plan-live

This would also explain why Russia agreed to the proposal so quickly. It had already been discussed in St Petersburg.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
13. This analysis makes absolutely no sense.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:19 AM
Sep 2013

"The Russian initiative is not attractive because it seems practical or likely to be swiftly implemented but because it allows everyone involved to save face. Obama can look statesmanlike. He is already taking credit for Putin’s move, saying it would not have come about without his own saber-rattling."

How did Putin know Kerry was going to say what he did, and why would Putin jump at the offer?

Did Kerry say it so that Putin could jump in and save Obama"?

Was Putin searching for a way to save Obama?

Here's the reality:

This only happened because of Kerry's comment and Russia's response. If, Obama needed saving, Putin certainly would have exploited that situation. He has been doing that with every situation. He had absolutely no reason to give Obama an out, and he certainly had no reason to put Assad on the spot (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023630685). He could have ignored Kerry's statement and let things proceed as before if he believed, as Cole does, that Obama needed saving. Putin knew the deal. He was under pressure to do something other than obstruct. That is why he jumped on Kerry's offer.

Obama has already proven to the majority of people who have an official say that Assad did it. Members of Congress and the international community have condemned Assad.

Regardless of how Congress votes, members have condemned Assad. They agree with the assessment regarding Assad's use of chemicals. That's why you have members who don't support the President's approach offering their own proposals, and any way you slice it, those proposals are ultimatums.

There is also the UN, which even before today's developments, was prepared to act after its report. The statements by members of the G-20 and the EU means the international community was not going to let up. More countries comdemned Assad today.



 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. The Putin worship on the anti-war left should surprise me, but doesn't.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:55 AM
Sep 2013

Notice that no one is asking "why did Putin do this?"

It's just "Putin RAWKS."

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
38. The theme of the day is
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:00 PM
Sep 2013

"Putin saves Syria, international peace and stability, and the Obama administration itself from Obama's crude, clumsy march to war with a brilliant diplomatic maneuver."

And the same folks openly scoff at the notion that anything the US did or said had anything to do with Putin's eagerness to pursue this diplomatic resolution.

Putin the savior rescues us all from the villain, Barack Obama.

See, e.g.,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023635240#post30

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
42. Does that translate into Putin RAWKS?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:04 PM
Sep 2013

I never saw any savior rescuing bits either nor Barack as the villain. Your take on this sounds like a Marvel comic book.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
45. He is the genius whose desire to see
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:11 PM
Sep 2013

diplomacy prevail and vastly superior intellect allowed him to defeat the intellectually deficient villains Obama and Kerry with one press release.

All of humanity is in his debt. He saved us from war and from Obama.

All praise Putin! America should be so lucky to have a leader so strong, so intelligent, so committed to diplomacy and preventing war, and so dedicated to ridding the world of chemical weapons and championing human rights!


 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
51. Much of this site views Obama as a comic book villain.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:16 PM
Sep 2013

So, they really are invested in their childish fantasy wherein the authority figure is one of pure evil who wants nothing more than to spread war in order to benefit the plutocratic class.

But, this authority figure is the classic archetype of 'he with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.'

Not only is he evil, but also stupid .

So, the enemy of their enemy is their friend, hence the Putin love.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
55. Sorry not seeing it
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:20 PM
Sep 2013

Please try this again with somebody else, I have no interest in what you are blathering on about. Have a joyous day.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
19. The warmongers are out in force over this potential deal.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:00 PM
Sep 2013

Instead of looking at it as a gift, they're lighting their hair on fire because they won't have the satisfaction of killing in the name of their own self-righteousness.

If this works, it keeps us out of another stupid war in the Middle East and denies the MIC another blank check.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
22. Oh please.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:41 PM
Sep 2013

I haven't seen anybody here say that they hope this fails.

But keep spewing those memes, if you wish.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
23. We can't give up the opportunity to cripple Hezbollah's chief ally, Syria.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:42 PM
Sep 2013

Who knows when the chance may come again? The seventy percent plus of Americans who don't want war with Syria will just have to suck it up and go to war anyway.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
26. I hope you are being sarcastic...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:49 PM
Sep 2013

If not, that is one of the saddest statements about going to war I have heard since Iraq.
So the chemical weapons is just a pretext for violating our UN treaty?
Fuck it, just firebomb Assad's palace. Hell, fire bomb all of Damascus. That way you can be sure that you 'got him' and crippled Hezbollah's chief ally.

WTF has happened to DU that some are agitating for a war that will kill thousands of civilians?

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
40. I want it to work but I'm not holding my breath.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:04 PM
Sep 2013

Too much much money invested, long-term planning (since 2001), and dick-waving from too many people. France is furious at being out-witted and is going to present one of those Saddaam-Hussein-style resolutions to the UN that if Syria so much as sneezes during prayer-time, it's bed-time for Gonzo and the US is waging a huge fight with Russia because Russia wants "the International Atomic Agency to analyze risks if military strikes hit a nuclear plant near Damascus" immediately. And yesterday the Ministry of Foreign Affairs submitted official paperwork to the UN with what they say is evidence that videos of the Damascus gas attack were "fabricated" in advance. They also requested that the UN hold the US responsible for any unlawful threat to use force against Syria and stop the US from going any further.

Just looking at the latest headlines on my twitter feed isn't inspiring much confidence

- Kerry: Risk of not acting is much higher than the risk of acting

- Kerry: "The use of force should absolutely not be off the table" LIVE UPDATES

- BREAKING: US 'won't wait long' for Syria chem weapons removal - Kerry

- URGENT: French draft resolution on Syria chem weapons unacceptable - Lavrov

BUT, just BUT, dare I hope?

- URGENT: Obama wants UN to hear Russia’s plan for Syrian chemical weapons

- France, UK & US agree to explore Russian proposal on Syria chem weapon destruction

- URGENT: UK, France, US to table UN resolution on #Syria later on Tuesday - Cameron

- DEVELOPING: Russia to propose UN Security Council declaration, supporting Syria chem arms handover


THEN, just now

RT ?@RT_com 6s

BREAKING: Syria chem arms handover will work only if US calls off strike Putin to RT http://on.rt.com/2cbbe5



Fast and furious. My feeling that Obama is at odds with several in his administration, that there's a huge split, keeps growing stronger.

I hope it works.
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
30. A more complete victory for Putin could not have been imagined
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:52 PM
Sep 2013

He was just patient and took his chance. He waited until the House was certain to embarrassingly vote against Obama, and even the Senate looked close. None of our allies supported a military solution.

Putin waited for that uncomfortable moment, and Kerry's comment, to end this. All the other actors (Assad, congress, White House and EU) were in such uncomfortable positions they leaped at it. Assad is preserved, the rebels must surely be demoralized, Putin gets a boost at home and internationally, all in exchange for chemical weapons that weren't useful anyway.

When people write geopolitical history books, this will undoubtedly be a case study in masterful diplomacy and patience.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
39. Yes, all hail Putin, the genius who saved mankind
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:02 PM
Sep 2013

from the madness of the evil US imperialists.

Amazing how a certain crowd is willing to fluff Putin but will refuse to entertain the notion that Obama and Kerry are anything but bumbling warmongering troglodytes.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
46. You can admire someone's brilliance without
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:11 PM
Sep 2013

worshiping them.

notion that Obama and Kerry are anything but bumbling warmongering troglodytes.


To be fair, they earned it. They came out of this looking bailed out by Putin of all people.
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
53. Because Obama was facing a 200 vote defeat in the house
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:19 PM
Sep 2013

and potential defeat in the senate in 2 days. He waited until Obama (not to mention Boehner and Reid) was at his weakest, most anxious position and offered a way to avoid it.

Patience is an old and very difficult strategy.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
57. Of course he's going to say that
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:25 PM
Sep 2013

What else will he say, that Obama is a liar?

It wasn't even mentioned before yesterday.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
58. Your inability to understand how diplomacy works
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:28 PM
Sep 2013

does not mean that everything you don't understand is false.

Just as an FYI: stuff gets done in diplomacy behind closed doors before being announced as a general rule.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
62. It's hilarious
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:51 PM
Sep 2013

To supposedly be a liberal but in this instance wanting to float the PM or President or whatever-he-is of Russia as the person who handled this the best? It would have never happened had Putin and his nation done the right thing to start with. They prop up Assad so they can avoid a pipeline that would hurt their European oil monopoly. Too funny, liberals are usually against war over pipelines. Much worse, Putin allowed a gas attack over pipelines.

Here's the Heroic One:

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Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
49. Actually, I think the "saving" was done by the British Parliament and public opinion.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:14 PM
Sep 2013

The "coalition of the willing" was reduced to one pair of cowboy boots.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
50. Putin can go fuck himself for a number of reasons.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:15 PM
Sep 2013

However, his agreement to pressure Syria to give up its chemical weapons is a good thing.

Regardless of the opinion of any of the players involved in this scenario, this was a diplomatic move that kept both the bombs from dropping and the West from embarassment over not being able to intervene.

Putin's an asshole, but his government's decision to put pressure on Syria made a scenario for dealing with Assad's chemical weapons viable, something even the SoS didn't think would happen.

It would be utterly fantastic for the personality-driven folks to not worry about who "won." The bombs are temporarily averted, and no matter who kept it from happening, it's a win for the whole region.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
52. Just in: Putin to RT: "Syria chem arms handover will work only if US calls off strike"
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:17 PM
Sep 2013

Just now from RT

Putin to RT: Syria chem arms handover will work only if US calls off strike
Published time: September 10, 2013 17:00


Speaking exclusively to RT, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Syria’s chemical arms handover will only work if the US and its allies renounce the use of force against Damascus.

"Certainly, this is all reasonable, it will function and will work out, only if the US and those who support it on this issue pledge to renounce the use of force, because it is difficult to make any country – Syria or any other country in the world – to unilaterally disarm if there is military action against it under consideration," President Putin told exclusively to RT on Tuesday.

Putin said the disarmament of Syria’s chemical weapons had been extensively discussed by experts and politicians.

The Russian president said that he and President Barack Obama had “indeed discussed” such a possibility on the sidelines of the G20 summit in St. Petersburg last week.

It was agreed, Putin said, “to instruct Secretary of State (John Kerry) and Foreign Minister (Sergey Lavrov) to get in touch” and “try to move this idea forward.”

...
Despite voicing “some serious skepticism,” Western countries supported the move, stressing the importance of Assad fulfilling the agreement and surrendering the weapons stockpiles.

...

In response to Russia’s proposal, Obama said he was willing to “absolutely” put on pause a military strike on Syria if Assad accepts the offer.

...

http://rt.com/news/putin-syria-chemical-weapons-669/

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
56. I hate Putin's disgraceful stance on gay rights.......
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:24 PM
Sep 2013

But must acknowledge that he saved the US further embarrassment on Syria. Plus, I am happy that he granted Snowden temp asylum.

Personally, I use the smell test on each individual situation. I agree with Juan Cole on this issue.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
59. Same here. HOWEVER. I think the hawks outweigh the level-headed people & are messing this up
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:32 PM
Sep 2013

Tuesday, September 10

15:32 GMT: With regards to the size of a US strike on Syria, Sec. Kerry told lawmakers in the House that the White House wants a limited strike that would pale in comparison to other recent military operations. "It's not Iraq, it’s not Iran, it’s not a years’ war,” he said.

“I have said that this will be meaningful, it will be serious, the Assad regime will feel it,” Kerry said, “…but compared to Iraq, Kosovo, Libya—it’s small. It is not any of those things.”



16:45 GMT: Moscow will propose a draft statement by the chairman of the UN Security Council, supporting the initiative to transfer Syria’s chemical weapons to international control, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

The issue was discussed during a phone conversation between Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and his French counterpart, Laurent Fabius.

“(Lavrov) said that Russia, on its part, is submitting a draft statement for the UN Security Council’s chairman, welcoming the… initiative and calling on the UN Secretary General, the general director of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, and all the interested parties to make efforts to facilitate the implementation of this proposal,” the ministry’s statement said.

During the call, Lavrov said described as “unacceptable” a French proposal to adopt a Security Council resolution blaming President Assad’s government for the chemical weapons attack.


17:00 GMT: Putin to RT: Syria chem arms handover will work only if US calls off strike



17:15 GMT: Moscow has called an emergency closed-door meeting at the UN Security Council to discuss its chemical weapon removal plan. The round-table will begin at 8 p.m. GMT.



17:20 GMT: Barack Obama and Francois Hollande have refused to rule out the possibility of a military strike against Syria, following a telephone conversation.

"The heads of state highlighted their preference for a diplomatic solution but they also underlined the importance of keeping all options open," said a statement from Hollande's press office.



All items, (except 'Putin to RT:Syria chem arms handover will work only if US calls off strike' which is under Breaking News) here http://rt.com/news/syria-crisis-live-updates-047/

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