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whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:39 PM Sep 2013

Prediction -> It ain't over

Hate to trip up the victory lap, but I'm certain some (manufactured) issue or event will put the war train back on track. Only this time, Obama will have wider support, having tried "diplomacy". Genius indeed...

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Prediction -> It ain't over (Original Post) whatchamacallit Sep 2013 OP
Nothing ever is over in the Middle East scheming daemons Sep 2013 #1
My prediction is that whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #5
I certainly have my doubts about the success of the cali Sep 2013 #2
I'd like to believe that whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #23
It's the ME. HappyMe Sep 2013 #3
No shit, Sherlock. Myrina Sep 2013 #4
Right you are whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #7
The only certainty seems to be public opinion leftstreet Sep 2013 #6
+1 whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #8
Funny, It Is YOU That Seems To Be The One Itching For War, Not Obama Skraxx Sep 2013 #9
+1000 what ^^^ he said. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #12
ODS Obama Deification Syndrome? whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #14
Right... whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #13
Are you having "technical difficulties" VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #15
We'll see whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #17
Stop seeing the glass half empty... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #19
^^^ FedUpWithIt All Sep 2013 #18
That's pretty much what I was thinking. HappyMe Sep 2013 #22
Unfortunately... whttevrr Sep 2013 #10
Yeah the kabuki is just beginning whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #24
ALso, which is easier to get passed in Congress- kenny blankenship Sep 2013 #30
Pessimist huh? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #11
Realist. I'll be delighted if Syria actually gives up its chemical weapons, but I winter is coming Sep 2013 #21
You sound disappointed that Obama isn't sufrommich Sep 2013 #16
No whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #20
You could also say Lifelong Dem Sep 2013 #26
Being wrong this time wasn't enough huh, doubling down. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #25
When is anything really "over"? bhikkhu Sep 2013 #27
Yup, I think you are right nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #28
I missed the speech whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #32
the cynic in me tends to agree sad to say gopiscrap Sep 2013 #29
K&R Not by a long shot. woo me with science Sep 2013 #31
They're not used to being told no whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #33
They would rather do this with popular backing. woo me with science Sep 2013 #34
Yeah, this postponement has nothing to do with diplomacy whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #35
 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
1. Nothing ever is over in the Middle East
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:41 PM
Sep 2013

That's not a bold prediction by you.


Syria is still in the midst of a civil war, with or without chemical weapons.



whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
5. My prediction is that
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:46 PM
Sep 2013

the administration will use this latest twist for a much needed PR boost, then go right back to ME domino toppling.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. I certainly have my doubts about the success of the
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:43 PM
Sep 2013

plan to dismantle/turnover the chemical weapons stores, but I don't think that President Obama is eager to conduct a military strike. I honestly believe he backed himself into a corner with his red line rhetoric.

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
6. The only certainty seems to be public opinion
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:46 PM
Sep 2013

Score so far:

MIC, Cameron, Obama, Kerry = 0
Public Opinion = 1

Looks like us antiwar peons need to take a victory lap

Skraxx

(2,977 posts)
9. Funny, It Is YOU That Seems To Be The One Itching For War, Not Obama
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:48 PM
Sep 2013

And you want war just so you can be "right" about what a horrible person Obama is.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
13. Right...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:51 PM
Sep 2013

Don't touch that dial, we'll be back to our regularly scheduled program right after a word from our sponsors.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
22. That's pretty much what I was thinking.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:01 PM
Sep 2013

Beating the war drums the loudest, so they can be right. Sour grapes.

whttevrr

(2,345 posts)
10. Unfortunately...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:49 PM
Sep 2013

You could be right. I wish the back slapping would go back to "No War, Please", "FUCK NO", and "Do Not Bomb In Our Name." Because I do not see a volume enhanced female singer on stage yet.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
30. ALso, which is easier to get passed in Congress-
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 10:13 PM
Sep 2013

A) A resolution that says We are going to fuck Syria up and kill Assad, and we're going to do it right now.

or

B) A resolution that says, IF the UN inspectors cannot account for all of Syria's WMDs, and IF it is the considered opinion of the President that the lack of a satisfactory accounting for these weapons is the result of deliberate deceit by the government and military of Syria, then the President is authorized to use force to destroy whatever he deems necessary to prevent the Syrian government from maintaining or using such weapons, or other assets vital to their military position.

A is a forthright declaration of hostilities, which will commence immediately, with authorship and responsibility resting with the Congress. B is a can kicking contingency plan - a flowchart- that allows the President to declare war later on if he wants to, and that places responsibility out there somewhere either with the UN or the President. Congressional reps and Senators can argue later on that, in voting Yes they voting for diplomacy and peaceful solutions AND/OR voting for tough action ie war -- whichever they feel like saying during the upcoming campaign season.

We've seen Plan A tried and encounter too much resistance. But B will be the move on the Hill, if Obama turns this into a redux of the Iraq-Sanctions UN Inspections Wild Goosechase. That's the direction they're now heading and I am afraid you will see PLan B pass in the Senate. They don't have to worry about immediate negative consequences like Plan A Get Syria! resolution. And they can put responsibility off on others.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
21. Realist. I'll be delighted if Syria actually gives up its chemical weapons, but I
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:00 PM
Sep 2013

don't think it's a done deal.

 

Lifelong Dem

(344 posts)
26. You could also say
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:51 PM
Sep 2013

We would have been bombing Syria long ago if McCain was in his 2nd term. Yet we are not bombing Syria.

We may arm the rebels, and let them take care of Assad. The Obama administration would rather see Assad resign on his own. But the first step to this is removing the CW's. This way they won't be getting into the wrong hands once Assad is removed.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
27. When is anything really "over"?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:53 PM
Sep 2013

Every country and every generation faces their own unique sets of problems, which arose directly from previous problems, and solutions to previous problems.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
31. K&R Not by a long shot.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 10:18 PM
Sep 2013

The MIC wants this. Banks, corporations, and the MIC generally get what they want
in government these days.

America stood up and said no this time, and won a delay. The question is, will this country be able to maintain strong pushback in the face of more relentless and sophisticated manipulations?

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
34. They would rather do this with popular backing.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 10:25 PM
Sep 2013

I agree with you that they will do it whether or not they have popular backing.
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