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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPrediction -> It ain't over
Hate to trip up the victory lap, but I'm certain some (manufactured) issue or event will put the war train back on track. Only this time, Obama will have wider support, having tried "diplomacy". Genius indeed...
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)That's not a bold prediction by you.
Syria is still in the midst of a civil war, with or without chemical weapons.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)the administration will use this latest twist for a much needed PR boost, then go right back to ME domino toppling.
cali
(114,904 posts)plan to dismantle/turnover the chemical weapons stores, but I don't think that President Obama is eager to conduct a military strike. I honestly believe he backed himself into a corner with his red line rhetoric.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)but I don't.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)It's never, ever over. Not so brilliant on your part. Sour grapes.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)I said it last week: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=587372
Anyone who pays any attention at all to how we operate knows this.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)leftstreet
(36,108 posts)Score so far:
MIC, Cameron, Obama, Kerry = 0
Public Opinion = 1
Looks like us antiwar peons need to take a victory lap
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Skraxx
(2,977 posts)And you want war just so you can be "right" about what a horrible person Obama is.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)ODS...
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Don't touch that dial, we'll be back to our regularly scheduled program right after a word from our sponsors.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)coping with the latest state of affairs?
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Don't count your chickens...
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)nothing is perfect.
FedUpWithIt All
(4,442 posts)It is really disheartening to come to DU anymore.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Beating the war drums the loudest, so they can be right. Sour grapes.
whttevrr
(2,345 posts)You could be right. I wish the back slapping would go back to "No War, Please", "FUCK NO", and "Do Not Bomb In Our Name." Because I do not see a volume enhanced female singer on stage yet.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)<sigh>
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)A) A resolution that says We are going to fuck Syria up and kill Assad, and we're going to do it right now.
or
B) A resolution that says, IF the UN inspectors cannot account for all of Syria's WMDs, and IF it is the considered opinion of the President that the lack of a satisfactory accounting for these weapons is the result of deliberate deceit by the government and military of Syria, then the President is authorized to use force to destroy whatever he deems necessary to prevent the Syrian government from maintaining or using such weapons, or other assets vital to their military position.
A is a forthright declaration of hostilities, which will commence immediately, with authorship and responsibility resting with the Congress. B is a can kicking contingency plan - a flowchart- that allows the President to declare war later on if he wants to, and that places responsibility out there somewhere either with the UN or the President. Congressional reps and Senators can argue later on that, in voting Yes they voting for diplomacy and peaceful solutions AND/OR voting for tough action ie war -- whichever they feel like saying during the upcoming campaign season.
We've seen Plan A tried and encounter too much resistance. But B will be the move on the Hill, if Obama turns this into a redux of the Iraq-Sanctions UN Inspections Wild Goosechase. That's the direction they're now heading and I am afraid you will see PLan B pass in the Senate. They don't have to worry about immediate negative consequences like Plan A Get Syria! resolution. And they can put responsibility off on others.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)don't think it's a done deal.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)reckless and unwilling to change policy as events unfold.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)I'm certain if not for a vast public backlash, we'd be blowing up kids as we speak.
Lifelong Dem
(344 posts)We would have been bombing Syria long ago if McCain was in his 2nd term. Yet we are not bombing Syria.
We may arm the rebels, and let them take care of Assad. The Obama administration would rather see Assad resign on his own. But the first step to this is removing the CW's. This way they won't be getting into the wrong hands once Assad is removed.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)bhikkhu
(10,718 posts)Every country and every generation faces their own unique sets of problems, which arose directly from previous problems, and solutions to previous problems.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Just from the speech. It was carrot and STICK.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)but your assessment seems to be a common one.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)(based on previous experience)
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The MIC wants this. Banks, corporations, and the MIC generally get what they want
in government these days.
America stood up and said no this time, and won a delay. The question is, will this country be able to maintain strong pushback in the face of more relentless and sophisticated manipulations?
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)unlikely they'll just accept the people's will.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)I agree with you that they will do it whether or not they have popular backing.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)they just need a little more time to work the room.