"That level of hero-worship directed at any politician is frankly dangerous. Expecting/demanding that others buy into it is absurd."

...hyperbole. Just admit to being wrong.

First response. And referencing the cult of personality part of the OP no less.

Not only was it the first response, it was posted ONE MINUTE after the OP. Hardly time to even read it, much less form an answer. But, that's to be expected with this one.

and take it from where it comes.

Over 250 posts from yesterday through today. Advanced Search stops at 250. That would be pretty much a full time job.

Account status: Active
Member since: Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:16 PM
Number of posts: 2,451
Number of posts, last 90 days: 2175

Basically an inactive account until very recently.

A person sleeps for 8 hours and then ears 3 meals (call that 2 hours) and has to shit shower, pee, and whatnot, that leaves 13/hrs a day for posting 250 posts.

That comes down to about 20 posts per hour, or a post every 3 minutes all day.

Well, either they don't have a job, or more likely, it's a group of people with a shared persona in a think tank.

In reality though, ProSense just has the habit of kicking he own posts. She does this a lot.
Plus, trying to drag people back to reality seems to be her hobby. (Though good luck with that.)

Many top posters have her kind of post count. About 1 per 10 minutes for 12 hours a day.


- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

laugh with the absurdity of your claims

She's already understood the OP, quoted the relevant passages, and formulated a clear (and frankly devastating) response before most have even the time to comprehend it.

The most sadly hilarious part about this is that "Magical Thinking" is exactly what the anti-Obama, anti-Democratic party, blame-America-for-everything crowd engages in - every time facts directly contradict their bigotry. And due to this, I really don't think ProSense will ever make headway in this haters' cesspool. It's like trying to talk sense about "Obamacare" at a teabagger convention. But more power to her for trying anyway.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

hahahaha - that's truly funny. It's just more of the 'I know you are but what am I?' stuff I've come to expect from him or her. Something as witty and 'devastating' as that really can be typed up in less than a minute.

Maybe you could use a time-out.

and felt that this thing was being mishandled from the beginning? At least mainstream Democrats and mainstream Americans. You do know that, don't you? And of course we are happy for the Russian diplomatic intervention and we are happy that both the Assad government and apparently the U.S. government have accepted their help. We are happy that the British Parliament reflecting the views of both the British people and the international community rejected the U.S. led bombing proposal. We rejoice that the U.S. Congress were preparing to do the same. If you are under the impression that your views on this subject reflect ordinary Democrats and ordinary Americans you really do need to move out of your mother's basement and go see the world.

... to continue exploiting working people and bombing / coup-ing anyone or anything that gets in their way.

"Blame America for Everything" - Hmmm, errily similar to "Blame America First" ala Limbaugh and Hannity to deny history? You mean actually citing actual historical precedents - virtually open-secrets due to their complete absence from the Billionaire Owned and Run Tee Vee / Media and schoolbooks to spite full documentation - in order to See the Larger Picture?

IOW, versus "Ignorance/Jingoist-Based Reality?"

Let's examine the operative term and dissect it a bit. Starting with Wikipedia:

The source of the term (Reality Based Community) is a quotation in an October 17, 2004, The New York Times Magazine article by writer Ron Suskind, quoting an unnamed aide to George W. Bush (later attributed to Karl Rove[1]):

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."[2]

Where is that? Could you please quote the relevant part?

And can I please see your Reality Based Community membership card? I'm certain it is expired.

read the whole thing and the post one min later.

For he IS the Kwisatz Haderach!

I was trying an experiment to see if I could change the post times, I know I can change it for what I see I just wanted to see if it changed for everyone else.

right twice a day, but usually wrong. You are the picture by the phrase "cult of personality".

I was reading Will's piece, and thinking "yeah, this sounds about right. Way to distill it down, Will!" And then before I was finished, about the time that I read "That level of hero-worship directed at any politician is frankly dangerous..." I found myself thinking "how will ProSense respond to this?"

You're so predictable!
And in less than one minute!!

Why don't you stop now, and just be a human being, rather than a bot?
You might find us humans to be pretty nice much of the time. We're not perfect, and neither is Mr. Obama. And, there's nothing wrong with that...

...predictable knee jerk bot-speak.

There are some very witty sharp posters on DU who use irony as a very effective method of conveying absurdity. If this describes what you are trying to do with many of your posts, then all I can say is bravo! Well played!

If not, might I suggest a different line of work.

was about chemical weapon deaths, that brought us to exactly right where we are.

the thing about these situations is, action/reaction and staying fluid and aware to make appropriate choices that allow us to get to an answer.

Obama needed two things: time, and a demonstration of resolve.

Going to Congress gave him the first, the massive opposition that he seemed to ignore gave him the second.

Putin blinked. As did Assad.

plan? the reason a leader will let a country know what he is going to do, is so they know he is serious and better fuckin look for an answer.

--then we'd fucking stop selling the raw materials and equipment to countries like Syria.

it does not seem like balance is ever the aspiration.

Nor should it be.

Getting to the truth is what matters.

The truth is never 'balanced'. It always says, "this is true; that is not."

'Balanced' is what the mighty steno-pool of the fourth estate calls its non-reporting.

am talking about.

there are people on both side that do not work toward truth, even though they claim. and the whole reason, is they are unwilling to have any kinda balance in a given issue. your truth is only your perspective. and it works that way on both sides. when so much of the actual truth is hidden, unknown to us, there is NO WAY, either side can claim any kinda truth what so ever.

What we need is evidence.

If someone claims to have evidence, we all need to examine that claim.

BUT...

If any conclusion is reached, someone will claim it's not balanced and therefore not valid.

If no conclusion can be reached based on evidence, then there's no chance of finding out the truth.

knows the full reality of what is happening? i mean, it seems like people are going around think they know what is going on, have the answer, and insist they have the truth of all.

wrong.

so much is not known and people are unwilling to understand they might not know fuck all.

Re The truth is never 'balanced'. It always says, "this is true; that is not."

I'm in kind of a running debate with someone on another forum on the subject of "balance." My position is that balance isn't necessarily a good thing, because as you say "The truth is never 'balanced.'"

I just never put it that well.

Well, that's NOT true.


But on this subject.... here's some more info at least:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023640803


Not so "messed up" from the beginning, huh?

But of course, there's the stockholders of Dow/Monsanto/BigChemical to look out for.

so signing a piece of paper and handing over some chemical weapons is all Assad has to do to stop us from bombing him?

Interesting

That bombing Assad was to punish him for using chemical weapons, oh and what about the school children that Assad used incendiaries on? Don't they count too?

i know you think it does. but, for me, no, it does not make sense.

my point is that a week ago that's what we were being told, seems one side of this moves the goalposts every time a new announcement is made while the side that against the idea no matter what has remained quite steadfast

I find the near hero worship of any leader somewhat creepy, IMO this is a victory for Americans that are against another pointless ME war

Also there are the midterm elections coming up next year and Congress critters from both parties were flummoxed at which way to turn once the polls came pout that showed how very against bombing Syria the American people are, I suspect keeping their jobs carried a bit more weight than party loyalties

infatically with anything he says. regardless of new info. regardless of a situation shifting. he said this, so he must follow thru or he fails. even if it is doing something we do not want him to do.

because the situation changed, he read it and was able to approach it in another manner, you are pissed. that makes NO fucking sense at all.

that is what bush did. he would make a statement. things would change. and he would hold to that statement. that is a FAIL in leadership. regardless of ones position, if they adopt that approach, running a business, a country or parenting, you. will. fail.

why are you demanding that obama do something that only dumbasses do?

i literally do not get this?

no I'm not pissed I'm amused oh and in need of Dramamine from all the spin about Obama's grand plan I'm reading here

not spin. i do not get why you see it as spin unless all this time you were not listening to the people that you call "worshipers". and finding a cutsey little term to box them in, i am sure you were not listening.

before you put me in the box, which you already have btw, i did not participate over the last couple weeks because i thought the threads lack the ability to discuss. and i find that a waste of time. so no, i would not be one of your worshipers.

that being said. the issue was, chemical weapons killed kids.

some said a war or strike would do nothing.
some said it is none of our business.
some said, we cannot ignore the use of chemical weapons.

no one said, i am a blood thirsty obama worshiper hawk that want to nuke all the innocent dead. the question was, how do you have a repercussion to a leader using chemical weapons? this is a solution that works. we should be thrilled that obama and others were able to get to this position.

i really do not get the outright animosity. maybe it is because i refused to participate in earlier threads because they were so ugly, without people willing to respectfully listen, discuss even in disagreement. to try to understand.

"I find hero worship of any leader creepy" and the rest is just stuff you made up, I said nothing of that sort

creepy, in judging them as hero worshipping. but what you do accomplish is dismiss EVERYTHING anyone has to say.

I find hero worship of any leader creepy, and keep in mind there also have been accusations of Putin worship here too

and you completely ignore my observation about Congress not knowing which way to go or why do you think the Teapers whined about Obama putting this up for a Congressional vote?

it is a dismissal. you know it is a dismissal. everyone that is called it knows it is a dismissal. and we all know each other knows.... this is no grand secret.

i have been consistent saying either side that resorts to this. as a matter of fact there was an OP about obama knowing more. my post... i derided the OP using insult in that OP. it is not hard to see how people shut down communication. and anytime we shut down communication, it is a fail.

when i know you have shut down communication and resort to absurd namecalling, why would i go further in discussion. you have already made it clear that anything i may say is a waste of time.

it seems you wish to hide in that maybe because your taking it personally for some reason

for trying to reason with the unreasoning. I didn't try because I don't think I could have remained as level-headed as you have in the face of such a torrent of abuse.

He must've had a master plan all along. Weird. Why can't it be enough that it might all work out?

of More children killed by OUR chemicals in Syria like they have been killed in Fallujah - let the hawks pretend they were dove's all along, let them stroke their "ego's" with that absurdity rather than stroke them with blood.

We did not avoid the death carnival of choice that was Iraq quite so easily, if all it took to avoid all those people dying was to stroke Bush's ego with claims of his brilliance by his sycophants and the reluctant silence of myself concerning his lack of cloth's I could have spent my wife's last two years of life simply loving and being loved by her rather than spending it with the two of us opposing an absurd war that our conscience demanded we oppose and hopefully stop.

Perhaps another couple will have a chance at a few more months of love together now, without the horrors of war driving then to waste that time trying to stop mad men from killing.

Will's assessment is absolutely correct, but the part of his post that matters the most is we have avoided some bloodshed, at least for now.

based on what they've learned over the last decade.

Truth and Context matter.

http://www.rferl.org/content/syria-lavrov-kerry-geneva/25071543.html

I hope we don't have to go through this crap with the Admin again. Wow they saved us from a catastrophe of their own making. Where do I send my Hallmark thank you card?

I was wondering why everyone was laughing....

And now the same rec'ers are swarming here.

I wonder why?
Maybe busy thinking he should be more careful about where he dangles those things next time.

The headlines all read "Russia bailout" because few outside the BOG were fooled as to what happened.

And no, I'm not doing your research for you.

and this thing isn't over.

Especially when you don't even have to lift a finger militarily. Obama's objective all along was to make sure Syria could never use chemical weapons again.

Will this latest Syria development mean the Syria will never use chemical weapons?

Yes?

Then it's a diplomatic victory for Obama and that's the bottom line no matter how much the hair-on-fire crowd tries to twist it.

Now even Putin is saying this plan was discussed at the G20 so it's not something Kerry just pulled out of his ass. It was a genuine proposal and one that meant Syria would give up their chemical weapons and the United States wouldn't even have to lift a fucking finger.

Bottom. Fucking. Line.

But, "balls will be dangled" in a vain attempt to make sure the President and

Kerry don't get any of the credit for the diplomacy.

... "But he had a plan all along to put down the gun, in the event he was surrounded by police and could not get away with the (oil) theft - so he is really a swell guy."

Not that I think TPTB have actually put the gun down, so much as tried to create a new way to fenagle an "armed force" contingency through the Security Council - like they did with the Libyan "no fly zone", which became the Libyan "free fire / bombing by NATO zone." THAT is what the Russians and Chinese (the only powers that can meaningfully stand up to the Western Transnationals) aren't willing to repeat.

If the goalposts are actually met, and there is no US Bombing, I will be very, very, pleasantly surprised. If the Iran-Iraq-Syrian pipeline goes through, I will be shocked. If Golan-heights oil is returned to Syria, I will be dumbfounded.

At that point, I will advocate that Syrian citizens should be given equal shares of their oil to trade into the market, pending an international-individualization system of equal-apportionment of the world's mineral resources to every person on Earth - to be traded by each person in a "really free-trade" commodities market. Dang, we have a long way to go.

President Obama was executing a strategy, and the threat of bombing was part of that strategy. Should have offered to send them cupcakes instead? Do you think that would have turned the tide?

President Obama treated a bully like a bully deserves to be treated. And the bully backed down. Yet as soon as you heard "we might bomb" you and the rest of the naysayers starting running around like your hair was on fire. But the cooler heads in the Administration knew exactly what they were doing all along. And they're winning.

He's wrong and he knows it.

It's why they're all so spitting mad today, insisting that there was no strategy. They got played like a fiddle, and they know it.

Russia blinked. And got their proxy Syria to get in line.

"Putin: U.S. should drop force threat"
"Syria agrees to 'Russian initiative'"
"5 questions Obama needs to address"
"A stunning turn -- if it works"
"Obama's challenge | CNN poll"
"Opinion: It started with a Kerry slip"

Most other news organizations around the world are reporting this in a similar light.

We come out of this looking like fools, like we've played the heavy so many times we don't know how to do anything else. I mean, I know diplomacy isn't simple, but we're so inept at this, Putin can now cast himself as the peacemaker. Putin, ffs!