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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 02:45 PM Sep 2013

Any argument about yesterday's developments on Syria is futile if it's premised on:

  • Putin saved Obama's ass.

  • Kerry accidentally gaffed his way into preventing a war.

  • Obama was about to be embarrassed.

At this point those arguments don't even have the support of a he said, she said among the major players. One has to dismiss the fact that everyone involved in the discussion, including Putin, state that the proposal was part of ongoing talks.

Kerry said something, and within hours, Russia proposed that Syria accept, which it did, and then the UN signed on. By the end of the day, China and Iran were also on board.

The proposal didn't even have a chance to become a rumor.

It was suggested, proposed, accepted, confirmed and agreed to before Kerry got off the plane.

White House Takes Credit For Syria’s Apparent Concession (updated)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023636265

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Any argument about yesterday's developments on Syria is futile if it's premised on: (Original Post) ProSense Sep 2013 OP
"discussion is futile" - the borg. Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #1
You can discuss it all you want to, but ProSense Sep 2013 #4
today's talking points noiretextatique Sep 2013 #2
Well technically the UK vote saved Obama's ass leftstreet Sep 2013 #3
i agree with you noiretextatique Sep 2013 #7
Horseshit. My incoherent ramblings on DU deserve the lion's share of the credit. Robb Sep 2013 #5
Nothing but NET!!! JoePhilly Sep 2013 #6
any discussion with you is pointless cali Sep 2013 #8
So ProSense Sep 2013 #9
bwahahaha. cali Sep 2013 #16
Did Leahy believe Saddam had WMD? ProSense Sep 2013 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #10
Not sure about that, but welcome to DU. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #13
Resistance is futile. You will now be subjected to Vogon poetry... Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #11
No when you're claiming Putin did something, and Putin states otherwise it's ProSense Sep 2013 #12
a hearty REC! Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #14
ProSense you know I don't often agree with you, Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #15
Don't worry, Putin got this. ProSense Sep 2013 #18

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
4. You can discuss it all you want to, but
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 02:51 PM
Sep 2013

if you're disagreeing with Obama, Kerry, Putin, Lavrov and all the other major players, you're speculating. On edit, it amounts to baseless speculation.



leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
3. Well technically the UK vote saved Obama's ass
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 02:51 PM
Sep 2013
I'm kidding!

Everyone deserves credit if there's a good outcome

The Public
The UK
The US
Russia
Syria

Robb

(39,665 posts)
5. Horseshit. My incoherent ramblings on DU deserve the lion's share of the credit.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 02:53 PM
Sep 2013

You're welcome, America.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. any discussion with you is pointless
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 02:55 PM
Sep 2013

unless the premise is that President Obama is infallible.

You have actually stated that he's the greatest President in history. Your take on him is that he's virtually a god.

And that's not overstating your point of view.

That makes discussing the policies of this administration with the likes of you an exercise in futility.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
9. So
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:03 PM
Sep 2013
any discussion with you is pointless

unless the premise is that President Obama is infallible.

You have actually stated that he's the greatest President in history. Your take on him is that he's virtually a god.

And that's not overstating your point of view.

That makes discussing the policies of this administration with the likes of you an exercise in futility.

...you decided not to address the OP point because you can't. Instead you try to make it about me.

Did Leahy believe Saddam had WMD?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023635687#post15

Let's see if you can admit that Leahy is not "infallible."

Obama isn't perfect. I have no idea what he's thinking. I can only make points based on what I read and my own frame of reference. Unless you and anyone else here know what he's thinking, everyone here is doing the same.

I don't care what you think about why I'm making the point. I make them, and I am free to make them.

Now, care to address the point in the OP.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
16. bwahahaha.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:43 PM
Sep 2013


Of course Leahy isn't infallible. I disagree completely with him on the F-35s being based in Burlington. I think his support for it is disgraceful.

But YOU twisting his position on Iraq is flat out disgusting.

Look, I think there's something very unhealthy in how you look at the President. And you may say he isn't perfect, but I have NEVER seen you do anything but lavish blind adoration on him. Not one even mild criticism. EVER

Prosense: President Obama, already one of the best presidents ever

Sorry, pro. I 'm not like you. I don't blindly adore any politician. And I've criticized Leahy here.

Worshiping a politician is your thing.


ProSense

(116,464 posts)
17. Did Leahy believe Saddam had WMD?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:47 PM
Sep 2013

Did Leahy believe Saddam had WMD?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023635687#post15


"Prosense: President Obama, already one of the best presidents ever"

So? It's true.


Response to ProSense (Original post)

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
12. No when you're claiming Putin did something, and Putin states otherwise it's
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:15 PM
Sep 2013

not just futile, it's silly.



Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
15. ProSense you know I don't often agree with you,
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 03:36 PM
Sep 2013

and I am very upset with Obama about certain things that we argue about. But on this issue I agree with you.

Obama may yet screw this up, that remains to be seen and anything is possible. But so far, he has done a very good job on this! Going to Congress was a great thing, and none of the so-called "gaffes" by him or Kerry are even worth bringing up. Yesterday's developments were pretty fascinating, and it says to me that he has a very good grasp of the situation and the players overall. It shows that there is more going on than what's in the news.

We should be giving credit where credit is due. It is petty and biased not to.

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