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derby378

(30,252 posts)
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 04:53 PM Sep 2013

The Most Uncomfortable Question You'll Encounter Today

With all this talk about Obama, Putin, Syria, and the evolving compromise over chemical weapons, what is our new position on the recent victims of nerve gas attacks in Syria, not to mention their enraged and grieving families?

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The Most Uncomfortable Question You'll Encounter Today (Original Post) derby378 Sep 2013 OP
What on Gods green earth are you talking about? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #1
Treaty, schmeaty - a scrawl on a piece of paper won't bring their loved ones back derby378 Sep 2013 #5
Ok then, what will bring their loved ones back? Electric Monk Sep 2013 #10
What is our position on the POLiceTOPO using pepper spray and teargas on peaceful protestors? Vincardog Sep 2013 #2
is this directly analogous to unleashing wide area of deadly chemical attacks on civilians? Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #4
they should come forward with their stories and document them to U.N. investigators Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #3
Would you support a strong UN presence in Syria as a result? derby378 Sep 2013 #7
hopefully that will be one of the outcomes of this Chem weapons agreements Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #12
I would. nt Wait Wut Sep 2013 #15
Excellent. Wait Wut Sep 2013 #11
The UN can still muster and deploy armed peacekeeping units, right? derby378 Sep 2013 #14
My answer: riqster Sep 2013 #6
Thanks for sharing derby378 Sep 2013 #13
Thanks back atcha for the OP. riqster Sep 2013 #20
I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. Wait Wut Sep 2013 #8
They became personas non grata as soon as they were no longer useful Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #9
K&R for a thoughtful discussion. Wait Wut Sep 2013 #16
I dunno did the goal post move? I missed it. Rex Sep 2013 #17
For me, it's of paramount importance that those responsible be brought to justice derby378 Sep 2013 #18
Oh I C. I would LOVE to see Rex Sep 2013 #19
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
1. What on Gods green earth are you talking about?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 04:56 PM
Sep 2013

You don't think they will appreciate that we have forced Assad to sign the CW treaty?

derby378

(30,252 posts)
5. Treaty, schmeaty - a scrawl on a piece of paper won't bring their loved ones back
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 04:59 PM
Sep 2013

Those scales remain unbalanced, and unfortunately will likely remain so for the near future.

Not that I was all gung-ho about a missile strike on Syria, but Herr Decider invaded Iraq for far, far less.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
10. Ok then, what will bring their loved ones back?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:03 PM
Sep 2013

I'm really interested to hear the answer. I have a few loved ones I wouldn't mind bringing back to life, as well.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
4. is this directly analogous to unleashing wide area of deadly chemical attacks on civilians?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 04:58 PM
Sep 2013

no it is not.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
3. they should come forward with their stories and document them to U.N. investigators
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 04:58 PM
Sep 2013

in the hopes they will one day get to face the accused war criminals and watch them be sentenced to lifetime in prison for their genocide.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
7. Would you support a strong UN presence in Syria as a result?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:01 PM
Sep 2013

At least that would be one way to bring the investigators closer to the victims.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
12. hopefully that will be one of the outcomes of this Chem weapons agreements
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:04 PM
Sep 2013

getting U.N. folks throughout Syria to log the weapons stockpiles, secure them, and begin their destruction. A side benefit would be getting a chance to render aid to victims and record war crimes.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
11. Excellent.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:03 PM
Sep 2013

Not that it will happen. The fear of their own government will keep them silent. But, if there was a way for them to remain anonymous, it would at least be documented.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
14. The UN can still muster and deploy armed peacekeeping units, right?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:08 PM
Sep 2013

It's a lot easier for a survivor to open up to a UN investigator if she knows that she'll receive protection from her own government. But yes, anonymity for some survivors could be a workable option.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
8. I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:01 PM
Sep 2013

I don't have a new position. Are you asking if we should 'request' that Assad do something to help the victims and families? Or, are you asking if we should directly address the victims and families? Or, am I way off the mark?

They're human beings. They aren't going away. The ones that survived, at least. They need medical and financial aid. Who should offer that aid? I'd say the Syrian government, first and foremost. But, I would strongly support global assistance. Don't forget, this isn't just about victims of chemical attacks. There are victims of other types of attacks throughout Syria. Countless refugees in neighboring countries that would probably love to be reunited with their families, or what's left of their families.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
9. They became personas non grata as soon as they were no longer useful
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:02 PM
Sep 2013

Meanwhile that deal that made them such is all but DOA --


(Reuters) - An emergency closed-door meeting of the U.N. Security Council on Syria was canceled after Russia withdrew its request for the session, Australia's U.N. envoy said on Tuesday.

"Following withdrawal of the request for consultations, Security Council meeting scheduled for 4 p.m. (2000 GMT) will not proceed," Australian Ambassador Gary Quinlan, president of the 15-nation council this month, announced on his Twitter feed @AustraliaUN.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/10/us-syria-crisis-un-cancel-idUSBRE98917H20130910


And Obama has to first vow to put down the stick he supposedly used to cower Assad and Putin. So decrees the cowering Putin --

(Reuters) - A Russian proposal for Syria to place its chemical weapons arsenal under international control will not succeed unless the United States and its allies reject the use of force against Damascus, President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday.

The proposal "can work only if we hear that the American side and all those who support the United States in this sense reject the use of force," Putin said in televised remarks.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/10/us-syria-crisis-russia-putin-idUSBRE98912H20130910
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
17. I dunno did the goal post move? I missed it.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:11 PM
Sep 2013

I thought all humans were extremely unhappy that Syrians were killed...I must have missed the new memo.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
18. For me, it's of paramount importance that those responsible be brought to justice
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:15 PM
Sep 2013

Not in a dusty history book a hundred years from now, but in the Hague, and preferably before Obama leaves office.

But at least there is a way for justice to be done without turning Damascus into a smoking crater.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
19. Oh I C. I would LOVE to see
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:18 PM
Sep 2013

the perpetrators brought before the Hague in shackles! We need to make far more use of the Hague then we do as a global community. Some civility in this would be great.

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