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With all this talk about Obama, Putin, Syria, and the evolving compromise over chemical weapons, what is our new position on the recent victims of nerve gas attacks in Syria, not to mention their enraged and grieving families?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)You don't think they will appreciate that we have forced Assad to sign the CW treaty?
derby378
(30,252 posts)Those scales remain unbalanced, and unfortunately will likely remain so for the near future.
Not that I was all gung-ho about a missile strike on Syria, but Herr Decider invaded Iraq for far, far less.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)I'm really interested to hear the answer. I have a few loved ones I wouldn't mind bringing back to life, as well.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)no it is not.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)in the hopes they will one day get to face the accused war criminals and watch them be sentenced to lifetime in prison for their genocide.
derby378
(30,252 posts)At least that would be one way to bring the investigators closer to the victims.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)getting U.N. folks throughout Syria to log the weapons stockpiles, secure them, and begin their destruction. A side benefit would be getting a chance to render aid to victims and record war crimes.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)Not that it will happen. The fear of their own government will keep them silent. But, if there was a way for them to remain anonymous, it would at least be documented.
derby378
(30,252 posts)It's a lot easier for a survivor to open up to a UN investigator if she knows that she'll receive protection from her own government. But yes, anonymity for some survivors could be a workable option.
riqster
(13,986 posts)derby378
(30,252 posts)A good read for everyone, regardless of which side of the fence they sit on.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)I don't have a new position. Are you asking if we should 'request' that Assad do something to help the victims and families? Or, are you asking if we should directly address the victims and families? Or, am I way off the mark?
They're human beings. They aren't going away. The ones that survived, at least. They need medical and financial aid. Who should offer that aid? I'd say the Syrian government, first and foremost. But, I would strongly support global assistance. Don't forget, this isn't just about victims of chemical attacks. There are victims of other types of attacks throughout Syria. Countless refugees in neighboring countries that would probably love to be reunited with their families, or what's left of their families.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Meanwhile that deal that made them such is all but DOA --
"Following withdrawal of the request for consultations, Security Council meeting scheduled for 4 p.m. (2000 GMT) will not proceed," Australian Ambassador Gary Quinlan, president of the 15-nation council this month, announced on his Twitter feed @AustraliaUN.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/10/us-syria-crisis-un-cancel-idUSBRE98917H20130910
And Obama has to first vow to put down the stick he supposedly used to cower Assad and Putin. So decrees the cowering Putin --
The proposal "can work only if we hear that the American side and all those who support the United States in this sense reject the use of force," Putin said in televised remarks.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/10/us-syria-crisis-russia-putin-idUSBRE98912H20130910
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)We need this.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I thought all humans were extremely unhappy that Syrians were killed...I must have missed the new memo.
derby378
(30,252 posts)Not in a dusty history book a hundred years from now, but in the Hague, and preferably before Obama leaves office.
But at least there is a way for justice to be done without turning Damascus into a smoking crater.
Rex
(65,616 posts)the perpetrators brought before the Hague in shackles! We need to make far more use of the Hague then we do as a global community. Some civility in this would be great.