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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:34 PM Sep 2013

"On October 26, President Kennedy was still leaning towards military action......"


On October 26, President Kennedy was still leaning towards military action to eliminate the missiles in Cuba. Operation Mongoose planning in the Pentagon focused on using Cuban sabotage units to attack the missile sites and on installing a government after an invasion. At 6pm, a letter arrived from Khrushchev to President Kennedy: "The missiles would be removed if the US promised not to invade Cuba."[63] Castro, on the other hand, was convinced that an invasion of Cuba was soon at hand, and on October 26, he sent a telegram to Khrushchev that appeared to call for a preemptive nuclear strike on the US. However, in a 2010 interview, Castro said of his recommendation for the Soviets to attack America before they made any move against Cuba: "After I've seen what I've seen, and knowing what I know now, it wasn't worth it at all."[64] Castro also ordered all anti-aircraft weapons in Cuba to fire on any US aircraft,[65] whereas in the past they had been ordered only to fire on groups of two or more. At 6:00 am EDT on October 27, the CIA delivered a memo reporting that three of the four missile sites at San Cristobal and the two sites at Sagua la Grande appeared to be fully operational. They also noted that the Cuban military continued to organize for action, although they were under order not to initiate action unless attacked.

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Within the US establishment, it was well understood that ignoring the second offer and returning to the first put Khrushchev in a terrible position. Military preparations continued, and all active duty Air Force personnel were recalled to their bases for possible action. Robert Kennedy later recalled the mood, "We had not abandoned all hope, but what hope there was now rested with Khrushchev's revising his course within the next few hours. It was a hope, not an expectation. The expectation was military confrontation by Tuesday, and possibly tomorrow ...".

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With the letter delivered, a deal was on the table. However, as Robert Kennedy noted, there was little expectation it would be accepted. At 9:00 pm EDT, the EXCOMM met again to review the actions for the following day. Plans were drawn up for air strikes on the missile sites as well as other economic targets, notably petroleum storage. McNamara stated that they had to "have two things ready: a government for Cuba, because we're going to need one; and secondly, plans for how to respond to the Soviet Union in Europe, because sure as hell they're going to do something there".

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On October 27, after much deliberation between the Soviet Union and Kennedy's cabinet, Kennedy secretly agreed to remove all missiles set in southern Italy and in Turkey, the latter on the border of the Soviet Union, in exchange for Khrushchev removing all missiles in Cuba.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis



It's interesting to speculate what the reaction of some would have been to JFK's "warmongering".

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"On October 26, President Kennedy was still leaning towards military action......" (Original Post) Nye Bevan Sep 2013 OP
A completely different set of circumstances. The Soviets were placing ICBMs in Cuba against the US. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #1
Credible threats of military action against a state, over an issue involving WMD's. Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #4
Are you attempting to say that Syrian chemical weapons posed a threat to the US? Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #5
Having a chemical weapons stockpile under international control, Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #6
The Syrian chemical stockpile poses no threat to us. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #9
Until the country destabilizes to point where the chem weapons are sold/lost/stolen. msanthrope Sep 2013 #10
A batshit crazy, Western-hating lunatic with a stockpile of sarin? Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #12
Think of all the conflicts on the African continent that would be 'helped' by warlords able to msanthrope Sep 2013 #13
It is not difficult to produce nerve agents. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #16
Our military is not to be used to confront "future" threats. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #15
Not a good comparison at all. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #11
Oh boy. Comparing this to the Cuban missile crisis? quinnox Sep 2013 #2
Still bitter, eh? Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #8
No comparison, but one similarity is that the prospect of military action often accelerates pampango Sep 2013 #18
The US also agreed to remove its own missiles from Turkey dipsydoodle Sep 2013 #3
That's been on my mind as well.How history judges this will depend on how well it turns out. OTOH... Hekate Sep 2013 #7
The contrast between W and Obama is indeed enormous (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #17
I've been thinking along those lines as well. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2013 #14

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
1. A completely different set of circumstances. The Soviets were placing ICBMs in Cuba against the US.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:37 PM
Sep 2013

Thus, it represented a clear and present threat to the safety of Americans and the security of the nation.

The Syrian civil war represents none of those things. So stop trying to make these ridiculous comparisons.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
4. Credible threats of military action against a state, over an issue involving WMD's.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:41 PM
Sep 2013

Nothing ill-advised and precipitate, but plenty of smart diplomacy leading to a satisfactory outcome.

Interesting how history repeats itself.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
5. Are you attempting to say that Syrian chemical weapons posed a threat to the US?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:42 PM
Sep 2013

If that was the main issue here, it wouldn't explain why we've done nothing until now.

No, this action was suppose to be in retaliation for the chemical weapons attack in Syria. Which had nothing to do with US national security interests.

I'm not buying what you're selling.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
6. Having a chemical weapons stockpile under international control,
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:45 PM
Sep 2013

as opposed to that of an unstable dictator, makes us all safer.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
10. Until the country destabilizes to point where the chem weapons are sold/lost/stolen.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:00 PM
Sep 2013

Then all bets are off.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
13. Think of all the conflicts on the African continent that would be 'helped' by warlords able to
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:10 PM
Sep 2013

purchase Sarin at fire-sale prices.

The possibilities are endless.....

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
16. It is not difficult to produce nerve agents.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:23 PM
Sep 2013

They are in essence highly potent pesticides (organophosophates).

Stopping Syria from having them will not stop anyone else.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
15. Our military is not to be used to confront "future" threats.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:19 PM
Sep 2013

Not that it matters. Obama did not want war to protect the US.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
2. Oh boy. Comparing this to the Cuban missile crisis?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:39 PM
Sep 2013

And Obama to Kennedy?



Kennedy was a great president, and could have been one of the best ever if he had'nt been assassinated.

President Obama? Not in the same league.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
18. No comparison, but one similarity is that the prospect of military action often accelerates
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:49 PM
Sep 2013

actions on the diplomatic front.

Kennedy wanted a diplomatic solution but was willing to use pressure from the military to help bring this about. Would Kennedy have used force if negotiations had not worked? One guy wasn't sure - Khrushchev. It worked because Kennedy wanted a peaceful resolution and played hardball to get it.

In the case of Bush/Cheney/McCain, it would not work because they have no fundamental interest in peaceful negotiations except as a prelude to war. That is the mirror image of Kennedy and Obama.

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
7. That's been on my mind as well.How history judges this will depend on how well it turns out. OTOH...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:16 PM
Sep 2013

How people here, bobble-heads in the 24/7 news cycle, and the RW/GOP judge the outcome will depend 100% on what they thought of the President before this.

This is brinksmanship, and I think that's why those of us who remember the Cuban Missile Crisis have it so on our minds, minus the sheer terror of those days. Of course the situation at home is vastly different -- the US is currently without trust in our own government, thanks to Dubya, and also sick to death of unwinnable war in the Middle East, also thanks to Dubya.

Dubya didn't do brinksmanship, or diplomacy either. Dubya and the NeoCons (sounds like the name of a crummy but very loud band) just charged in and bashed away. They were the proverbial hammer to whom every problem looks like a nail. They leave quite the legacy, and poisonous mistrust of our own government is a big part of it. Obama is not Bush, but some can't keep that straight in their minds.

The place in foreign policy where the personalities and methods of both JFK and Barack Obama overlap is that Obama does do diplomacy, and as we are now discovering, he does brinksmanship as well.

Someone here commented that the Cold War is over. The problem is: has anyone shared that with Putin? The man who spends time every summer showing off his manly physique so everyone gets the message that he is ready for a brawl should he wish to engage in one, that man made his bones in the KGB of the Cold War.

As to your last sentence: If JFK were president now he'd be excoriated from morning til night, same as FDR would be, for having the audacity to have feet of clay. At least at DU and in the GOP.

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