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Pale Blue Dot

(16,831 posts)
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:25 PM Sep 2013

We're going to administer a new drug to your children. It hasn't been scientifically tested.

However, it seems like it should work, so we're giving pharmaceutical companies hundreds of millions of dollars to inject it into your kids.

No parent would ever let this happen. And yet, this is a perfect analogy for what is happening in education today. States are rushing to adopt the Common Core State Standards and are paying a select group of educational companies hundreds of millions of dollars to implement these standards, and the testing of them, in public schools across the country. There is little resistance to these standards because they "seem" like a good idea.

But here's the thing - the dirty, yet true, little secret that they won't tell you:

They haven't been tested. Really. There have been no peer reviewed scientific studies to show that these standards actually work. Your kids are being administered a drug without any understanding of whether it's effective or what the side effects are.

Perhaps it will turn out that the Common Core State Standards will work. Perhaps not. NO ONE REALLY KNOWS. And in the meantime, your children are being treated like guinea pigs.

If you wouldn't allow your children to be force-fed an experimental drug, then you should be up in arms about the Common Core State Standards.

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We're going to administer a new drug to your children. It hasn't been scientifically tested. (Original Post) Pale Blue Dot Sep 2013 OP
Thanks for the warning. truedelphi Sep 2013 #1
Which is why all states should adopt Mass' Curriculum Frameworks MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #2
That is the BEST analogy I have read yet. Wish I could rec it a thousand times. Squinch Sep 2013 #3
Since the right-wing that is solidly against them, I can't help but wonder if they might in fact be OregonBlue Sep 2013 #4
Did you even read what I wrote? nt Pale Blue Dot Sep 2013 #5
What you wrote doesn't specify exactly what your concerns are. kcr Sep 2013 #6
It hasn't been tested. We're experimenting on kids with NO PROOF that it works. Pale Blue Dot Sep 2013 #17
Well, I don't know. kcr Sep 2013 #18
I did read what you wrote. Your concern is that the curriculum has not been tested. I don't know OregonBlue Sep 2013 #13
You can't teach critical thinking when all you are doing is teaching to the test. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #10
America's kids have been used as guinea pigs for untested tblue37 Sep 2013 #7
oh, geez don't even remind me of the disaster math curriculum is. They don't even teach our kids liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #12
Agreed. I am raising my two grandsons (age 8 and 11) and I bought some multiplication flash cards OregonBlue Sep 2013 #14
I often end up having to tutor elementary school kids in math around fourth to sixth grade tblue37 Sep 2013 #15
I am very fortunate that both of the boys are extremely bright. They are way above their grade level OregonBlue Sep 2013 #16
thank you. I was starting to think that no one on this site cared about what Common Core is doing to liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #8
It's corporate welfare jsr Sep 2013 #9
that's exactly what it is. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #11

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
1. Thanks for the warning.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:29 PM
Sep 2013

Back in the 1980's, my son was in grammar school when it was decided that memorization and math tables were bad for kids. So for about three years, kids just sort of floundered in terms of math. Then the educators finally gave up, and taught math the way it had traditionally been taught.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
2. Which is why all states should adopt Mass' Curriculum Frameworks
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:35 PM
Sep 2013

Because we damned well know it works. Instead, the bribed by the Gates Foundation very smart Education honchos here are dropping the Curriculum Frameworks for Common Core.

It's insane.

Squinch

(51,015 posts)
3. That is the BEST analogy I have read yet. Wish I could rec it a thousand times.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:04 PM
Sep 2013

"We're going to just use your kids as guinea pigs here during their formative years. They won't be able to get those learning years back, but stand back, nothing to see here."

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
4. Since the right-wing that is solidly against them, I can't help but wonder if they might in fact be
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 10:59 AM
Sep 2013

a good thing. Their primary complaint is that the curriculum is designed to teach "critical thinking" and they say that should be the role of parents and the church. Wouldn't want little Johnny thinking for himself now would we.

kcr

(15,320 posts)
6. What you wrote doesn't specify exactly what your concerns are.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 11:29 AM
Sep 2013

What is it exactly about common core that has you concerned it's bad for children?

Pale Blue Dot

(16,831 posts)
17. It hasn't been tested. We're experimenting on kids with NO PROOF that it works.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 05:06 PM
Sep 2013

And giving MILLIONS to corporations to do it. Isn't that enough to be concerned about?

kcr

(15,320 posts)
18. Well, I don't know.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 05:12 PM
Sep 2013

I'd like some reasons to be concerned that it wouldn't work. Are there specific things about it that give clues that this might not work?

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
13. I did read what you wrote. Your concern is that the curriculum has not been tested. I don't know
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:45 PM
Sep 2013

if it's good or bad, only that the right-wing's main complaint is that it was designed to teach critical thinking and that is their main objection to it.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
10. You can't teach critical thinking when all you are doing is teaching to the test.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 11:42 AM
Sep 2013

There is too much in the curriculum. There is not enough time to teach critical thinking. There is also not enough funding to support the schools in order to meet this new accountability. I have children in the school system right now. Believe me this is not a good thing. They are pushing too hard too fast and they are punishing our students and teachers for not learning fast enough and they are punishing them by decreasing their funding even more than they were before. This is not a good thing.

tblue37

(65,488 posts)
7. America's kids have been used as guinea pigs for untested
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 11:31 AM
Sep 2013

educational fads since fairly early in the 20th century.

Remember the "Look-Say" reading approach in the period right after WWII? Or the still current "Whole Language" rejection of phonics? Or the "New Math"?

It's been one disaster after another.

Americans are always looking for a quick and CHEAP fix for problems caused by poverty and hopelessness among students, by the influence of toxic cultural memeson the students' and parents' attitude toward education, and by the undermining of teachers' authority in the classroom and the micromanaging of their practice by people who have no training and have never spent even a minute teaching kids.

Furthermore, teachers aren't paid anywhere near enough, so many must moonlight to make ends meet--which seriously reduces the time and energy they have left over for preparing material, grading work, and making themselves available outside of class to help students, as well as the time and energy they need to continue their education in the field.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
12. oh, geez don't even remind me of the disaster math curriculum is. They don't even teach our kids
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 11:46 AM
Sep 2013

multiplication tables anymore. That would require too much time. They are so busy advancing the curriculum they are skipping over fundamental elements. Neither one of my children could tell you what 11x11 is right off the top of their heads. They have to use pen and paper to work it out or use their calculator.

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
14. Agreed. I am raising my two grandsons (age 8 and 11) and I bought some multiplication flash cards
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:50 PM
Sep 2013

the other day and we have started using them. I actually review their math work daily and much of it is good and interesting. The multiplication stuff has fallen by the wayside though. Since we own a small import company and travel a lot, it's been easy for us to explain to the kids why it's important to be able to multiiply/divide very quickly in their heads.

My kids have the advantage of attending a small rural school which has very small class sizes and great teachers. Wish all kids could have the same experience!!

tblue37

(65,488 posts)
15. I often end up having to tutor elementary school kids in math around fourth to sixth grade
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:09 PM
Sep 2013

because they are unable to do grade-level work in math, since they do not have any mastery of the basic math facts.

It isn't even multiplication--though that is certainly something they don't know. These kids also can't do basic addition and subtraction, even at low numbers (4 + 6; 2 + 3; 9-5; 8-2--etc.), without counting on their fingers!

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
16. I am very fortunate that both of the boys are extremely bright. They are way above their grade level
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:13 PM
Sep 2013

Even then their multiplication skills are dismal. They are being taught the method and they do it right, they just can't do it quickly in their heads. I consider it majorly important.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
8. thank you. I was starting to think that no one on this site cared about what Common Core is doing to
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 11:33 AM
Sep 2013

our children. When Bush was president people shouted get rid of No Child Left Behind. Now that Obama is doing the same thing with Race to The Top and Common Core Standards no one is shouting get rid of Race to the Top.

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