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"You know the look..." (Original Post) MrScorpio Sep 2013 OP
no one knows what they look like because they are hard to see. hobbit709 Sep 2013 #1
Who needs background checks when you can just apply a dress code? Brilliant. Nine Sep 2013 #2
So true, as Chris Rock said... Phillyindy Sep 2013 #3
Especially when rich white people spread lies and hate so well. mountain grammy Sep 2013 #13
To answer your question: probably a lot like me. In_The_Wind Sep 2013 #4
Aw, now, they're not racist! (sarcasm) Here's who would be welcome beside the luminaries you posted: freshwest Sep 2013 #5
A well-fed militia Dash87 Sep 2013 #21
+1 JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #26
Bet they have a fine oil barrel BBQ smoker nearby with a keg of beer, just off camera there... freshwest Sep 2013 #43
OT: Pardon but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #35
Nope! *unwilling to post images of advanced military hardware porn* freshwest Sep 2013 #41
Never mind then discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #44
Sorry, but I trashed the Gungeon. Not going there. Bye. freshwest Sep 2013 #45
Please forget I asked discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #46
And what about these fine gentlemen? n2doc Sep 2013 #6
I think we've seen this act before Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #7
Where is the store that posted this? I have an idea MillennialDem Sep 2013 #8
Everyone's a responsible, law abiding gun owner. Until they're not. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #9
Jump on me all you want, but ... Myrina Sep 2013 #10
Wait dothemath Sep 2013 #18
Yeah, funny what some parents think passes for 'love' these days, huh? Myrina Sep 2013 #19
Here you go. WaitWut Sep 2013 #11
Did you notice? proReality Sep 2013 #12
Someone should take those other pictures.. like Lanza Peacetrain Sep 2013 #14
Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #15
And who are you again? MrScorpio Sep 2013 #16
I'm afraid he won't be able to reply cyberswede Sep 2013 #30
When I saw the name, I knew it'd be something sorry behind the hide. freshwest Sep 2013 #47
K&R stonecutter357 Sep 2013 #17
Very thinly veiled racism Taverner Sep 2013 #20
Well, I don't think you really want an answer, Sissyk Sep 2013 #22
Wooosh. Ikonoklast Sep 2013 #23
Look, if you're a gun owner and you're not killing anyone else, this really isn't about you... MrScorpio Sep 2013 #25
Well, I'm not killing any one of any color Sissyk Sep 2013 #29
believe it or not, the MOST careless, scary, irresponsible gun owner I've ever known Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #37
I believe you for several reasons... Sissyk Sep 2013 #39
Most have creeeeeepy eyes (your pics) SoCalDem Sep 2013 #24
K & R Scurrilous Sep 2013 #27
I have to say Skittles Sep 2013 #28
"Why should I sell guns to the *type* of person I'd prefer shooting at??" Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #31
That's a perfectly cogent point MrScorpio Sep 2013 #32
What does a non-responsible gun owner look like? GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #33
Give us your description of these people... MrScorpio Sep 2013 #34
there are no descriptions of these people that are accurate. GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #36
So, is your point at Lanza, Loughner and Holmes are actually examples of "Responsible" gun owners? MrScorpio Sep 2013 #38
I would say they WERE until they were not. GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #40
But, yet we only know of THEIR looks based on THEIR actions... Otherwise we wouldn't know them MrScorpio Sep 2013 #42

Nine

(1,741 posts)
2. Who needs background checks when you can just apply a dress code? Brilliant.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 08:19 AM
Sep 2013

I guess if another gun shop said they wouldn't sell to anyone who looks like Larry the Cable Guy, that would be fine too. A photo like that certainly wouldn't go viral over the right wing echo machine as an example of discrimination against them, no-sir-ee-bob.

 

Phillyindy

(406 posts)
3. So true, as Chris Rock said...
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 08:23 AM
Sep 2013

"Ain't nothing more dangerous then poor white people...they're capable of anything!"

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
5. Aw, now, they're not racist! (sarcasm) Here's who would be welcome beside the luminaries you posted:
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 08:46 AM
Sep 2013


Freedumb!!!!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
43. Bet they have a fine oil barrel BBQ smoker nearby with a keg of beer, just off camera there...
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 01:43 PM
Sep 2013

I can't help it that I once lived in a place like that. I would have to amend the mention of the beer keg, though. Since it was a dry county.

Had to cross the line into another county to get a case of beer or hard stuff. No kidding. Wasn't any problem for anyone I knew living there. But hardly anyone lived there.

The ratio of cattle to humans was about a hundred to one, cattle ahead of people. Cows make fine neighbors.



discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
35. OT: Pardon but...
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 11:58 AM
Sep 2013

...could you explain please what qualities characterize a "well regulated Militia"?

Thanks

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
44. Never mind then
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 03:35 PM
Sep 2013

I was hoping for a verbal answer (not pictures) but I did get what I expected.

Since you posted a picture which claimed some folks as a "not well regulated militia" I had hoped you had some criteria that you were able to explain that would characterize a "well regulated militia".

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
8. Where is the store that posted this? I have an idea
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 09:21 AM
Sep 2013

Get a white man (or white woman) and a young black man who are about the same size. Have the white person dress "like a gangbanger". Have white person walk into the store and buy x (on a credit card so it can be refunded).

Then have white person trade clothes in the nearest bathroom or other private secluded area with the young black man. Have the black person walk into the store and buy x as well.

Hidden cameras should be utilized.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,198 posts)
9. Everyone's a responsible, law abiding gun owner. Until they're not.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 09:26 AM
Sep 2013

And I'm sure they'd gladly accept this man's money:



Probably take a picture of them with him and frame it above their counter.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
10. Jump on me all you want, but ...
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 09:32 AM
Sep 2013

... I look at Loughner (later pic) and I see plain old batshit fucking crazy.

I look at Lanza and it makes me sad: I see a very unhappy, confused, lonley and probably over (or mis-) medicated teen. What he did, probably wouldn't have happened if someone just gave a shit about him.

 

dothemath

(345 posts)
18. Wait
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 11:02 AM
Sep 2013

His mama gave a shit about him. She bought assault weapons, bullets and other shit for him. What could go wrong?

(You are right, Myrina, I am just kidding).

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
19. Yeah, funny what some parents think passes for 'love' these days, huh?
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 11:30 AM
Sep 2013
Sure, he's a messed up semi-monster but someone helped him get that way (or ignored him until it was too late).

Peacetrain

(22,878 posts)
14. Someone should take those other pictures.. like Lanza
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 10:56 AM
Sep 2013

go up to that glass door and paste those pictures up there..

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
47. When I saw the name, I knew it'd be something sorry behind the hide.
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 06:43 PM
Sep 2013
Amazed it took so long.

Thanks, Skinner.

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
22. Well, I don't think you really want an answer,
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 11:42 AM
Sep 2013

but I'll try.

Responsible gun owners look like my husband and me. And millions of other law abiding citizens of this country.

I get your point about the bigoted, racist sign. I do. But the way to combat that is not by showing pictures of mentally ill killers and asking if they are responsible gun owners.

I will help you fight racism 8 days of the week, MrScorpio. But, I don't want to give up my rights as a responsible gun owner, or be punished, because of evil like you have listed above.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
25. Look, if you're a gun owner and you're not killing anyone else, this really isn't about you...
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 04:23 PM
Sep 2013

However, it's no secret that, in this country, gun violence is classified by ethnicity:



The impression that we're given here is that White gun owners simply don't shoot other people unless they're mentally ill, while a POC would only shoot someone if they're a "gangbanger," "terrorist," or "illegal immigrant." That somehow, Whites are even less criminal than someone else who would have committed the same acts if they were a POC instead.

To me, Holmes, Lanza and Loughner are the epitome of terrorism and criminality and simply dismissing them as being mentally ill only does nothing except diminishes the impact of their acts.

In my book, they're not getting off that easy.





Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
29. Well, I'm not killing any one of any color
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 07:51 PM
Sep 2013

so it's, as you say, not about me.

Sorry to interrupt.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
37. believe it or not, the MOST careless, scary, irresponsible gun owner I've ever known
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 12:09 PM
Sep 2013

is the son of a respected (so I'm told) NRA training counselor...true story

If you really want to laugh (or cry), the dude eventually became a cop, and is still serving today....

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
39. I believe you for several reasons...
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 12:24 PM
Sep 2013

1. I don't think you'd lie.
2. I don't know anyone with the NRA to say how they raise their kids.
3. There is bad apples in every buschel...counselors, cops.

I hope he has grown up since then or that he never has a reason to pull his weapon around Innocent people.

I dislike irresponsible gun owners. Deeply! And I have known one or two of those.

Skittles

(153,193 posts)
28. I have to say
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 07:40 PM
Sep 2013

when I see folk dressed in a manner that raises one of my eyebrows it's never the baggy pants crowd - usually it's a gal in her 50's sporting a mini skirt and cleavage - what's the chances of seeing signs addressing THAT look?

 

GalaxyHunter

(271 posts)
33. What does a non-responsible gun owner look like?
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 11:52 AM
Sep 2013

what does a dead beat look like?

what does a welfare queen look like?


what does a 1%er look like?


What does a Democrat look like?


What does a Republican look like?


 

GalaxyHunter

(271 posts)
36. there are no descriptions of these people that are accurate.
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 12:00 PM
Sep 2013

any one of them can look like another, even thought one might love guns and the other might hate them.


I have seen people I could call successful wearing old torn clothes because they feel comfortable, not because they are so poor that they can't afford anything else.

Just because someone looks a certain way doesn't mean they are.





Is that what you were looking for?


MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
38. So, is your point at Lanza, Loughner and Holmes are actually examples of "Responsible" gun owners?
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 12:21 PM
Sep 2013

Because the owner of that business created a specific depiction of whom they DIDN'T think a "responsible" gun owner would be, but yet they did not take into account the three shown above.

Now of course, we ONLY know of their names and faces because of their actions, not their looks... So why would those three not be pointed out as a faulty example by the creator of they sign IF they had not committed their horrendous acts of violence?

 

GalaxyHunter

(271 posts)
40. I would say they WERE until they were not.
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 12:58 PM
Sep 2013

how do you know for sure those three would not be included in what they said?

Like you said we don't know their looks.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
42. But, yet we only know of THEIR looks based on THEIR actions... Otherwise we wouldn't know them
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 01:37 PM
Sep 2013

The point is that I would NOT have used them as examples IF they had NOT committed acts of gun violence.

The writer of that sign would not have associated the three with irresponsible gun ownership were they not known from their actions. Also, the writer did use a clear and concise description of whom they believe a irresponsible gun owner would be... Even if they did not use an example of someone actually who committed acts of gun violence, their descriptive appearance of someone whom they believe to be irresponsible (solely without regard to the three) is enough for them.

So, is the WRITER in the wrong or not?

I pointed out people who have, in fact, committed act of violence, regardless of their look... So there's no argument that Lanza, Loughner and Holmes look like responsible gun owners when you and I KNOW they they really aren't.





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