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morningfog

(18,115 posts)
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 09:47 PM Sep 2013

Great news: U.S. won’t seek U.N. approval for strike if Syria reneges on chemical-arms pact

GENEVA — The Obama administration will not press for U.N. authorization to use force against Syria if it reneges on any agreement to give up its chemical weapons, senior administration officials said Friday.

The Russians have made clear in talks here between Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Secretary of State John F. Kerry that the negotiations cannot proceed under the threat of a U.N. resolution authorizing a military strike. Russia also wants assurances that a resolution will not refer Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to the International Criminal Court for possible war-crimes prosecution.

President Obama has said that the unilateral U.S. use of force against Syria for a chemical attack last month remains on the table. But consideration of that action, already under challenge by a skeptical Congress, has been put on hold pending the outcome of the Geneva talks.

The discussions here began this week following a Russian proposal Monday, quickly agreed to by Assad, to place Syria’s chemical arsenal under international control and eventually destroy it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/officials-us-wont-seek-un-approval-for-strike-if-syria-reneges-on-chemical-arms-pact/2013/09/13/a203b068-1cb3-11e3-80ac-96205cacb45a_story.html

This is a huge hurdle in the talks, great to hear this concession.

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Great news: U.S. won’t seek U.N. approval for strike if Syria reneges on chemical-arms pact (Original Post) morningfog Sep 2013 OP
So, the U.S. will strike unilaterally? rug Sep 2013 #1
Yep. If needed. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #2
Think that one through. rug Sep 2013 #4
Of course that threat is always there. But, if they wanted to, they had the chance now. morningfog Sep 2013 #16
I hope you're right because the alternative is terrible. rug Sep 2013 #18
No argument there. morningfog Sep 2013 #20
Yep, I think Obama finally heard what the polls were telling him quinnox Sep 2013 #3
Panic! Or don't. nt babylonsister Sep 2013 #5
Don't panic! NuclearDem Sep 2013 #9
Why is that "great news"? kentuck Sep 2013 #6
The article is a little confusing in its headline, here is a different article that is more clear quinnox Sep 2013 #10
This paragraph is good news. thanks for clarifying. grantcart Sep 2013 #11
Yea, that article in the OP is confusing quinnox Sep 2013 #12
Until you and other posters noted the confusion, I didn't even see that an alternate reading morningfog Sep 2013 #14
That's far less bellicose and far more encouraging. rug Sep 2013 #19
The talks are serious and making progress. The US and France wanted the risk of use morningfog Sep 2013 #15
Finally, some positive news. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2013 #7
You've got a weird notion of "great news." NuclearDem Sep 2013 #8
I think it shows the US is acting in good faith here. The agreement would not happen as long morningfog Sep 2013 #13
Alright gopiscrap Sep 2013 #17
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
16. Of course that threat is always there. But, if they wanted to, they had the chance now.
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 10:11 PM
Sep 2013

Instead, the effort is going into diplomacy with no explicit use of force in the resolution. Russia won't block it and disarmament will begin.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
3. Yep, I think Obama finally heard what the polls were telling him
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 09:51 PM
Sep 2013

Americans really don't want to go on another military intervention, and his big speech didn't convince them, despite the emotional appeals of it.

Obama is backing down, and that is a very good thing. Those (very few) who were for the Syrian intervention are gonna be even more pissed.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
10. The article is a little confusing in its headline, here is a different article that is more clear
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 09:57 PM
Sep 2013

about what is going on.

White House will accept a U.N. resolution that doesn't authorize military force if Assad fails to turn over Syria chemical weapons.

WASHINGTON — In a sign of its weak hand in the Syria crisis, the Obama administration has abandoned for now its hope of winning U.N. authorization for the use of force against President Bashar Assad's government if it fails to surrender its chemical weapons.

Facing steadfast Russian resistance, officials said Friday that they would accept a United Nations resolution that imposed weaker penalties such as economic sanctions and allowed for the Security Council to reconsider the use of force if Assad did not live up to his promises.

The shift, described by administration officials who spoke on condition of anonymity, appeared to be an acknowledgment of the likelihood that Security Council members Russia and China would veto the use of force, and of the overall lack of international support for military strikes to punish Assad for his alleged use of chemical weapons.

http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-syria-talks-20130914,0,2171685.story

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
11. This paragraph is good news. thanks for clarifying.
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 09:59 PM
Sep 2013

Facing steadfast Russian resistance, officials said Friday that they would accept a United Nations resolution that imposed weaker penalties such as economic sanctions and allowed for the Security Council to reconsider the use of force if Assad did not live up to his promises.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
14. Until you and other posters noted the confusion, I didn't even see that an alternate reading
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 10:06 PM
Sep 2013

was possible. I see it now. The headline can be read one of two ways.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
15. The talks are serious and making progress. The US and France wanted the risk of use
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 10:09 PM
Sep 2013

of force in the agreement. That was a non start for the Russians. The US gave it up to move the talks. They are getting to the logistics of the disarmament now. And strikes are not on the table, not in the agreement, won't be in a security council resolution that depends on Russia to pass.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
13. I think it shows the US is acting in good faith here. The agreement would not happen as long
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 10:04 PM
Sep 2013

as it was tied to the use of force. The Russians said that was a non-start. The US came around and made a big acquiescent.

It shows that these talks are real. If the US was just looking for a pretense to strike, they had it in their hands. Of course, the US could always ramp up the war rhetoric again, and very well may. But, if they were looking for an excuse to restart the drums, they had it and gave it up.

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