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"Attorney and author Elizabeth Edwards, the late wife of former presidential candidate John Edwards, put it best: Resilience is accepting your new reality, even if it's less good than the one you had before. You can fight it, you can do nothing but scream about what you've lost, or you can accept that and try to put together something that's good.
*The time will come when many Americans, and humans living on the coast worldwide, will be forced out of their homes by storms, rising sea level, and other effects of climate change. Intra-national migration will prove far more fluid if citizens and structures move systemically as a managed disaster prevention method, instead of as a forced response to devastation. America has the advantage of vast swaths of livable inland open space, a resource many threatened countriessuch as Bangladesh and small island stateslack. Serious scientific research, policy changes, and financial investment now could potentially save money, resources, and lives in the future. It is the federal governments responsibility to stop subsidizing coastal development and to offer more incentives for sustainable development. "
http://www.thebulletin.org/new-plan-b-relocate-american-cities
pscot
(21,024 posts)to live at the shore.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Back in the day, thats where a lot of food came from (And rivers). It was also useful for trade. But as this gets bad, there wont be food anywhere, so it doesn't matter where you live
Uncle Joe
(58,378 posts)to a very large extent that will be the case.
Back in the day, thats where a lot of food came from (And rivers). It was also useful for trade. But as this gets bad, there wont be food anywhere, so it doesn't matter where you live.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I'm buying investment property in Colorado....
but wait...
pscot
(21,024 posts)DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)Shorelines are irrelevant, it's elevation that matters.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)I lived in Colorado for awhile and I used to hallucinate that the bluish Great Plains as seen from the Rockies were actually the ocean. Wishful thinking!
LisaL
(44,974 posts)What about tornadoes, floods, fires, earthquakes?
DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)I know you aren't saying that, but you are being obtuse.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)I, and the houses/communities I then lived in, have experienced & survived tornadoes (Kansas/Illinois), floods (Illinois/ Pennsylvania), fires, hurricanes (Florida) & earthquakes(California). Comparing those sporadic natural disasters to rising sea levels is a form of denial for those living in areas which will be PERMANENTLY flooded out. There's nothing FEMA, the Red Cross, homeowner's insurance, local emergency responders or the like can do to rescue/repair from rising ocean levels.
I heard a presentation by the director of Florida's emergency management agency - about 20 years ago. He had a flip chart with the map of Florida and plastic overlays showing the paths of hurricanes. There was not an inch on the map which was spared. He also discussed the heavy concentration of the state's population within a few miles of the coast line, and the inadequacy of evacuation routes relative to the size of the population. Then of course, you have the heavy percentage of elderly in the state who would not be able to survive the heat and humidity of summer months should there be a prolonged power outage re air conditioning. The specter of rising ocean levels was not even considered back then.
While major cities such as New York and Baltimore can construct flood and storm surge barriers, that is not possible for ANY portion of Florida. I have cautioned family and friends for years now - do NOT retire to Florida. If you already own property there, sell it and just lease or rent or time share. I know people who have sold their homes elsewhere and invested all that money in beautiful places in Florida. If they can afford to write off that investment, fine. But if at some point they need to sell a primary residence in Florida to pay for care in assisted living, they may find themselves "underwater" re their home's declining value.
A report prepared a few years ago for the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) estimated that 40 million people and $3 trillion in assets are already vulnerable to coastal flooding in cities around the world. By 2070, the OECD paper said, those numbers could rise to 150 million people and $35 trillionand that's assuming a sea-level rise of just 20 inches (0.5 meter).
New York has taken the threat much more seriously than most American jurisdictions. At least one state, North Carolina, is actively ignoring the problem: The state legislature has refused to include realistic sea-level rise projections in its coastal planning policies.
Even with enlightened leadership, however, the sorts of engineering solutions proposed by Bloomberg won't work everywhere. Miami, for example, which tops the OECD report's list for cities with the most assets at risk, rests on a foundation of highly porous limestone. Seawater would flow unimpeded beneath any levee or storm surge barrier.
It's already contaminating Florida's underground water supply, and it regularly erupts from Miami's sewers during "king tides," when the sun and moon exert their most powerful tidal pull on Earth. The problem is only going to get worse: By the century's end large parts of Florida may be underwater.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/06/130612-sea-level-rise-new-york-bloomberg-sandy-climate-change-science/
Meanwhile, fools in Miami are still building:
Perhaps its most high-profile project currently under construction is Brickell CityCentre, a massive undertaking that is expected to transform Miamis urban core. JMA in a joint venture with Americaribe is managing construction of the project, which will incorporate a luxury shopping center, two condominium towers, a hotel, apartments, a wellness center and an office complex.
The construction contract for BrickellCityCentre is estimated at almost $500 million, according to developer Swire Properties.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/09/3442564/betting-big-on-miami.html#storylink=cpy
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B Calm
(28,762 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)We are reactive more than proactive when it comes to these things, I think.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Selling their real estate in New Orleans and Miami, buying in Canada, Peru and Argentina.
Investing in companies that make water desalinization and hydroponic farming shipping containers:
http://www.urbancontainerfarm.com/
and thinking about what services they can sell to the government as this disaster unfolds. Just like peak oil, they will deny that it is real while quietly getting prime position.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Many here don't remember that. She was a reason I supported her husband at first.
Anyway one possible map after the ice caps melt.
progressoid
(49,992 posts)I met her briefly during the IA caucuses. I went to support her husband, but came away liking her even more!