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hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:49 AM Sep 2013

Frost advisory tonight - a full month ahead from out normal frost date!

:scared

Lake Ontario shore into the Adirondacks -

Looks like this is going to be a bad, bad winter!

Everyone here is complaining that their vegetable gardens did poorly this summer. Last week it was in the 90's!


It's now called Global Climate Change!

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Frost advisory tonight - a full month ahead from out normal frost date! (Original Post) hedgehog Sep 2013 OP
Yeah Farmers Almanac has said it's going to be tough winter! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #1
Regardless - using my precognitive powers - i predict that someone on local conservative el_bryanto Sep 2013 #2
Well... They do use the outside my door proof of theory. Glassunion Sep 2013 #15
I forgot to mention - hedgehog Sep 2013 #3
Don't take this the wrong way bit I'm jealous! William769 Sep 2013 #4
We're headed into the same climate as Ireland - which suits me just fine! hedgehog Sep 2013 #6
Heat Index of 97F here today Roland99 Sep 2013 #5
I see from your avatar you are in Florida. RebelOne Sep 2013 #17
it's fine with me, really! Roland99 Sep 2013 #18
You're confusing climate with weather NickB79 Sep 2013 #7
I'd say a frost this early counts as climate change! hedgehog Sep 2013 #8
It may be due to it, but you can't say that with much accuracy NickB79 Sep 2013 #9
What I am seeing after living here for over 25 years - hedgehog Sep 2013 #11
Yup, both constantly change. didact Sep 2013 #12
And then there's Colorado... backscatter712 Sep 2013 #10
so what is the current record for frost in this time period? that's needed to compare nt msongs Sep 2013 #13
I don't know the earliest frost date for this location , hedgehog Sep 2013 #19
October 15 is a close date. I live in a New England area where first frost is around October bluestate10 Sep 2013 #20
Weather almanac says Eastern US to have cooler, wetter winter dixiegrrrrl Sep 2013 #14
Dammit! bunnies Sep 2013 #16

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
2. Regardless - using my precognitive powers - i predict that someone on local conservative
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:52 AM
Sep 2013

radio will argue that this proves Global Warming is a hoax.

Bryant

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
15. Well... They do use the outside my door proof of theory.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:58 PM
Sep 2013

If I hold my hand out the door, and it does not get wet, it's not raining anywhere.
If I hold my hand out the door, and it gets cold, it's cold everywhere.


They refuse to see the correlation between global warming and changing/shifting weather patterns.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
3. I forgot to mention -
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:55 AM
Sep 2013

1. I live in the Lake Ontario Snow belt

2. Not only that, but I live exactly where the rise in elevation maximizes snow fall.

3. not only that, but we has deluges of rain this summer that put ruts in the driveway for the first time ever - and I've lived here over 25 years!

William769

(55,147 posts)
4. Don't take this the wrong way bit I'm jealous!
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:55 AM
Sep 2013

I'm still waiting for the first day it doesn't break 100 degrees! Came close yesterday, so there is hope.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
6. We're headed into the same climate as Ireland - which suits me just fine!
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:57 AM
Sep 2013

I think the early frost is an anomaly. It may also be a sign that winter temps will be moderating - earlier frost, but a winter that hangs in the high 20's, low 30's - perfect conditions for maximum snow fall!

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
17. I see from your avatar you are in Florida.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:13 PM
Sep 2013

That is the usual heat index most of the year. I lived in South Florida most of my life until I was sick of the heat and humidity and moved here to North Georgia.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
18. it's fine with me, really!
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:30 PM
Sep 2013

Moved here from KY about 4 1/2yrs ago. Tired of 4-5 months of grey and brown and cold!



hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
8. I'd say a frost this early counts as climate change!
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:02 PM
Sep 2013

We had a generally cool summer compared to normal with much more rain than usual -

the few weeks of high temperature were weather, the overall cool temps are climate, IMO.

I think the cool temps here are due to overall global warming =- high temps elsewhere change the flow of the jet stream.

NickB79

(19,257 posts)
9. It may be due to it, but you can't say that with much accuracy
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:25 PM
Sep 2013

It's very, very hard to pinpoint individual events on climate change; climatologists are very hesitant to do so without extremely high confidence because then you'll have idiots spouting off about "global cooling" every time we get a blizzard.

That's why climate science generally sticks to forecasts that span years, decades, centuries, etc.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
11. What I am seeing after living here for over 25 years -
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:44 PM
Sep 2013

is a trend winter after winter, summer after summer, toward cooler summers, warmer winters - headed as i said to the traditional climate found in Ireland. (I say traditional because Ireland's climate is changing, too!) An early frost fits in because of the cooler summer. We may get temps in the 30's in October/November which will bring on the snow early. A seemingly mild winter with temps in the low 30's high/20's will mean a ton of snow for us due to our location near Lake Ontario. Take note also that I mentioned several deluges; unusually heavy rainfall not once, but many times over the summer.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
10. And then there's Colorado...
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:29 PM
Sep 2013

Just before we got these storms from Hell putting so much of my state underwater, we had a September heat wave kicking temperatures into the 95+ range.

Our weather is completely haywire. I'll call it climate change.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
19. I don't know the earliest frost date for this location ,
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:46 PM
Sep 2013

only that most years October 15 has been a good marker. One year we never did get an actual frost until December - when it started snowing! The grass never froz that year because the snow cover kept it warm.

I'd say the earliest frost I recall was about a week early - call it October 8. That's based on 25 years of gardening in the same spot. Our safe last frost date is May 15, but that's been creeping back to May 1.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
20. October 15 is a close date. I live in a New England area where first frost is around October
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:09 PM
Sep 2013

10. The summer has been cooler than what I remember, IMO. Crop blight has been more prevalent.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
14. Weather almanac says Eastern US to have cooler, wetter winter
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:33 PM
Sep 2013

This past week has been hotter than our summer!
Our summer temps were at least 10 degrees average below normal, it rained almost every day.
Now we are in a "normal" dry fall, but in the low 90's.

If we ARE going to get a cooler winter, I can risk planting fall greens.

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