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FredStembottom

(2,928 posts)
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:40 PM Sep 2013

I am amazed at what I am feeling this morning.

Now that a couple more genuine wins have come our way. Now that big, flashing, honking moves back from failed policies of the neo-cons and their cousins the New Dems has occurred, I have a feeling of relief and release going deep within me. Tension that I was so used to feeling during 30 years of disaster and betrayal that I didn't even know it was there anymore.

Today, the big American majority that agrees with us on policy (as long as just a couple demonized words aren't used) has actually been listened to in Washington! Not attacking Syria and the sidelining of Summers are political acts of war against the defacto American oligarchy. It was clear that it was going to be business as usual on these fronts until just a couple of weeks ago. I eagerly await the histories of the past couple of weeks that we will read in the future.

My sense right now is that the President himself is the force behind this tectonic shift by simply listening to new voices.

What's next? Maybe the Disruption Swarm here at DU will be switched off?

I can dream.

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I am amazed at what I am feeling this morning. (Original Post) FredStembottom Sep 2013 OP
Exactly my experience. For me it has been 50 years. Political acts of war...yes they are. libdem4life Sep 2013 #1
Thinking about it.... FredStembottom Sep 2013 #2
Well The President Needs To Lobby Himself Now Then. colsohlibgal Sep 2013 #3
I don't know about you but I do trust this President Skidmore Sep 2013 #4
Trust Vanje Sep 2013 #13
Gratitude brings more IronLionZion Sep 2013 #5
More Dems of a certain type. FredStembottom Sep 2013 #6
Of course IronLionZion Sep 2013 #8
Yes. I agree. FredStembottom Sep 2013 #10
"Maybe the Disruption Swarm here at DU will be switched off?" NCTraveler Sep 2013 #7
Nope. FredStembottom Sep 2013 #11
By exact opposite you truly mean the exact opposite. NCTraveler Sep 2013 #18
Yes indeed. FredStembottom Sep 2013 #19
Until something happens that you don't agree with....THEN he NEVER listens VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #27
Not sure if you have the gameplan right or not. NCTraveler Sep 2013 #28
Obama Get's Some Credit??? What??? That Incompetent Lucky Coporate Stooge??? Skraxx Sep 2013 #9
Credit where due. FredStembottom Sep 2013 #12
Be quiet you "element of the disruption swarm" you. If you disagree with the OP you should STFU stevenleser Sep 2013 #14
No. FredStembottom Sep 2013 #15
Right, because characterizing someone as "the Disruption Swarm" is neither name-calling nor stevenleser Sep 2013 #16
How is stating that there is such a thing 'characterizing someone'? Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #21
Not at all. FredStembottom Sep 2013 #23
When I mix up the words from your post, it looks like this Vanje Sep 2013 #20
What's next? How about stopping the Trans-Pacific Partnership? LongTomH Sep 2013 #17
All good! FredStembottom Sep 2013 #25
kick Liberal_in_LA Sep 2013 #22
I give the President great credit for three recent actions: mick063 Sep 2013 #24
My position exactly. FredStembottom Sep 2013 #26
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
1. Exactly my experience. For me it has been 50 years. Political acts of war...yes they are.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:53 PM
Sep 2013

On to the Debt Ceiling for a trifecta. I noticed that he seemed to make more resolute statements and intentions as to what he would and wouldn't to with the Shut Down Weasels after the American People had stated their opinions.

Also important to note that the time is ripe...note that the RWers, especially the Tea Party, are in disarray.

FredStembottom

(2,928 posts)
2. Thinking about it....
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:32 PM
Sep 2013

Last edited Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:33 PM - Edit history (1)

.... I first felt like something was going wrong back in the Carter administration. The way his fellow Democrats in the Senate seemed to act like his election was the crossing of some line that needed to be resisted.
So, more than 30 for me, too.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
3. Well The President Needs To Lobby Himself Now Then.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 03:51 PM
Sep 2013

As far as I know he is still 100% behind the disastrous TPP. And he still wanted Larry Summers. Socially, pretty liberal. Economically - well he can talk a good game but when it comes down to it he's going to protect the fat cats on Wall Street.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
4. I don't know about you but I do trust this President
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 03:54 PM
Sep 2013

to try to do the right thing. And I think that in many areas he has accomplished a lot more than he has been given credit for and inspite of the bunch of idiots that sit on the Hill and throw tantrums. There are more hard won legislative victories besides the two listed.

IronLionZion

(45,472 posts)
5. Gratitude brings more
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:37 PM
Sep 2013

through positive reinforcement.

Lets elect Dem majority in congress and bring about even more positive changes.

IronLionZion

(45,472 posts)
8. Of course
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 01:32 PM
Sep 2013

we would like to have as many liberal Dems as possible, but I would also like to have as many Dems as possible of any type. Voting for the D puts longtime liberals in leadership positions because of seniority. I wouldn't punish a moderate from a conservative area, especially after seeing the damage done by tea party wingnuts who don't care about consequences.

FredStembottom

(2,928 posts)
10. Yes. I agree.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 02:23 PM
Sep 2013

I always vote a straight DEM ticket for the very reasons you state.
Because, what's moderate once the wind starts blowing the other way?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. "Maybe the Disruption Swarm here at DU will be switched off?"
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:51 PM
Sep 2013

I often hear that the disruptor's here at du are the ones going against the President on many of his policies.

"My sense right now is that the President himself is the force behind this tectonic shift by simply listening to new voices."

The voices are coming from those many consider disruptor's. These are people who are voicing stronger and stronger opinions because they feel they have not been listened to. That is why I agree with you that they are "new" voices he seems to be listening to. I hope many of those considered by some to be the "disruption swarm" start to up their game as they now realize the President is willing to listen. Of course that is if I am reading your "disruption swarm" framing correctly. Pretty sure I am.

Understand what I have just said only addresses two sentences of your op. I love the first part of your op and it deserves a big k and r.

FredStembottom

(2,928 posts)
11. Nope.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 02:27 PM
Sep 2013

I meant the opposite: the 24/7 spammers that use pure nastiness on all of us who don't like this particular President enough.

I believe it to be organized nastiness and I hope the word will go out that we aren't the enemy. We never were. I hope they aim all that effort at Tea Partiers instead.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
18. By exact opposite you truly mean the exact opposite.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 02:41 PM
Sep 2013

Even though I could not have been more wrong, it would seem we agree about the whole premise. Very cool.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
27. Until something happens that you don't agree with....THEN he NEVER listens
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 12:36 PM
Sep 2013

have I got this gameplan right?

Skraxx

(2,979 posts)
9. Obama Get's Some Credit??? What??? That Incompetent Lucky Coporate Stooge???
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 01:38 PM
Sep 2013

Don't your realize that he's only responsible for bad things! Anything good that happens as a result of his decisions was luck! Or because he was forced by the powerful internet "Lefties" to do it against his will!

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
14. Be quiet you "element of the disruption swarm" you. If you disagree with the OP you should STFU
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 02:33 PM
Sep 2013

because disagreeing with the OP is authoritarian, so do as they say and go away and be quiet.

Oh wait...

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
16. Right, because characterizing someone as "the Disruption Swarm" is neither name-calling nor
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 02:38 PM
Sep 2013

juvenile.

Right. Your OP is everything you are supposedly railing against.

FredStembottom

(2,928 posts)
23. Not at all.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:16 PM
Sep 2013

It's even handed. Gives Obama credit and has to do overall with good feelings.
The Disruption Swarm is meant as an accurate as possible name for what I suspect (but will never know for certain) is an organized effort to spam DU with nastiness and irrelevance.

Vanje

(9,766 posts)
20. When I mix up the words from your post, it looks like this
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 02:51 PM
Sep 2013

Obama realize good result???
Get's your bad will!
Some responsible Incompetent was against Credit???
Anything against the internet was luck!

Lucky "Lefties" that he's forced by Cop-orate decisions that only happens because he What???
Don't!!! or things for that powerful Stooge

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
17. What's next? How about stopping the Trans-Pacific Partnership?
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 02:38 PM
Sep 2013

Other Goals:
An amendment to the US Constitution eliminating corporate personhood and the precedent that "money equals free speech."
Taking the Chained CPI off the table for the 'Grand Bargain.'

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
24. I give the President great credit for three recent actions:
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:25 PM
Sep 2013

Negotiating for opening up foreign held money shelters (ie. Cayman Islands) to federal monitoring for the purpose of taxation.

Instructing Dept. of Justice to rethink marijuana policy.

Listening to public sentiment with respect to Syria and Summers.


In every case, I truly do not believe he would have taken such actions if people were not raising hell. I'll give him credit for listening and acting. I do not give him credit for being the initiator of these actions or inactions. In the case of Summers, it took a few Senators to relay the message that a fight was in store. In the case of Syria, it took a lot of public outcry.

Listening and acting is a good start. Initiating desirable action without public prodding would be better.

FredStembottom

(2,928 posts)
26. My position exactly.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 11:17 AM
Sep 2013

The President has done a clear turn toward new thinking.
Being the Prez, just allowing new people in the door to talk is ridiculously powerful and merely what I have wanted since he was elected.
Close the door on the Summers'. Open it to the Warrens and Yellins'.

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