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DanTex

(20,709 posts) Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:20 PM Sep 2013

Shooter believed to have criminal record and conceal carry permit in TX.

Federal law enforcement officials say the man accused in a shooting rampage at the Washington Navy Yard that left at least twelve people dead has been identified as Aaron Alexis.

The two officials spoke on condition of anonymity. At least twelve people have been killed in a shooting rampage involving as many as three gunmen at a naval building only a few miles from the White House.

One of those officials says Alexis was a 34-year-old from Texas. He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-navy-yard-massacre-first-suspected-gunman-named-after-at-least-12-workers-shot-dead-at-washington-military-site-8819771.html

Isn't that supposed to be impossible? Or does Texas give out conceal carry permits to people with criminal records now?

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Shooter believed to have criminal record and conceal carry permit in TX. (Original Post) DanTex Sep 2013 OP

Perhaps if charges were dropped or if he was not convicted. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #1

The gun apologists SheilaT Sep 2013 #2

Looks like the DA declined to press charges maddezmom Sep 2013 #3

No. Each state has their own CCW requirements and application process. former9thward Sep 2013 #6

Thanks for the answer maddezmom Sep 2013 #10

The NRA and the CCW gun nuts are pushing for reciprocity. Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #21

Not knowing a lot about this whole debate maddezmom Sep 2013 #22

Yep! 'tis the tip of the iceberg as more and more idiots start carrying. Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #24

The bigger question is why did he get a security clearance. DURHAM D Sep 2013 #4

Why wouldn't he get one? former9thward Sep 2013 #7

"believed to have had a criminal record" DURHAM D Sep 2013 #8

Since various news reports have said the DA dropped the charges.... former9thward Sep 2013 #9

It doesn't really matter. DURHAM D Sep 2013 #12

The incident that has been described would not stop anyone from a clearance. former9thward Sep 2013 #15

Let's say you were arrested for "Walking while being Durham D", but the charges were (rightly).. X_Digger Sep 2013 #18

I should definitely not get clearance if I discharged a gun while walking. DURHAM D Sep 2013 #19

Oh so only *certain* arrests without charges should apply. Gotcha. n/t X_Digger Sep 2013 #20

ABC says charges were dropped The Straight Story Sep 2013 #13

Hello... it doesn't matter. DURHAM D Sep 2013 #17

No conviction of a crime. MineralMan Sep 2013 #16

According to other stories, he was never charged. n/t Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #5

Arrested for discharge of a weapon within the city limits, never charged. FarCenter Sep 2013 #11

There is a record of an arrest. MineralMan Sep 2013 #14

typical, because we value guns over people's lives gopiscrap Sep 2013 #23

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,188 posts)

1. Perhaps if charges were dropped or if he was not convicted.

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:23 PM

Sep 2013

Let's not forget our very legally armed friend George Zimmerman, threatening people with guns since 2012.

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)

2. The gun apologists

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:26 PM

Sep 2013

will wring their hands every time there's a mass shooting, but for them nothing is terrible enough to re-think their belief that guns are good, more guns are better. Apparently in the possibility their own loved ones can be a victim isn't very important.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)

3. Looks like the DA declined to press charges

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:27 PM

Sep 2013

And that brings up another question, does a CCW convey from one state to another if you are now a resident of a different state?

former9thward

(32,046 posts)

6. No. Each state has their own CCW requirements and application process.

Reply to maddezmom (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:33 PM

Sep 2013

If the DA dropped the charges then he had no criminal record.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)

10. Thanks for the answer

Reply to former9thward (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:44 PM

Sep 2013

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)

21. The NRA and the CCW gun nuts are pushing for reciprocity.

Reply to maddezmom (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:38 PM

Sep 2013

That way, all the loonies from the boonies can hang out in a Starbucks or urban park near you.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)

22. Not knowing a lot about this whole debate

Reply to Starboard Tack (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:54 PM

Sep 2013

I do know I think that is a bad idea. Considering if the DA had prosecuted him for his unlawful/accidental discharge he wouldn't have been able to get his CCW as far as I can tell. But since they didn't be got one and he would be free to carry anywhere. Kind of like GZ...who is a another tragedy in the making.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)

24. Yep! 'tis the tip of the iceberg as more and more idiots start carrying.

Reply to maddezmom (Reply #22)

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:53 PM

Sep 2013

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)

4. The bigger question is why did he get a security clearance.

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:29 PM

Sep 2013

former9thward

(32,046 posts)

7. Why wouldn't he get one?

Reply to DURHAM D (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:35 PM

Sep 2013

He apparently had no criminal record if the DA dropped the charges. So unless there was some other personal issue we haven't been told about there would be no reason he would be denied.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)

8. "believed to have had a criminal record"

Reply to former9thward (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:38 PM

Sep 2013

former9thward

(32,046 posts)

9. Since various news reports have said the DA dropped the charges....

Reply to DURHAM D (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:40 PM

Sep 2013

let's see if he had one or not.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)

12. It doesn't really matter.

Reply to former9thward (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:46 PM

Sep 2013

The incident should have kept him from getting clearance. It has been reported on tv that he is a "private contractor" and that he is a "civilian working for the Navy". This is probably another Booz Allen placement with a fabricated clearance, clearances for which us taxpayers are paying and they are not being done properly or not being done at all.

former9thward

(32,046 posts)

15. The incident that has been described would not stop anyone from a clearance.

Reply to DURHAM D (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:50 PM

Sep 2013

Nor should it. We would have no one with security clearances if one had to be a perfect human since age 0. But maybe that is what you want. The shooter at Ft. Hood had a clearance also. It is not a magical standard.