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Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:05 PM Sep 2013

How did Aaron Alexis carry an AR-15 & shotgun through the front door without anyone noticing?


It was an office building with one way in.

Doesn't make much sense.




Edited to change AK-15 yo AR-15.
Btw I had typed AK-47 the first time before posting.
Give me a break!

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How did Aaron Alexis carry an AR-15 & shotgun through the front door without anyone noticing? (Original Post) Tx4obama Sep 2013 OP
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #1
Typo, AR-15. LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #3
Don't quote me, but I read somewhere he ambushed one of the security guards and took his weapon maddezmom Sep 2013 #2
They said on the news he had three weapons: AR-15, shotgun, and hand gun Tx4obama Sep 2013 #8
I can't find where I read it. I am sure we will find out at some point. maddezmom Sep 2013 #11
Yeah I was wondering how he got that weaponry past the gopiscrap Sep 2013 #4
He could have disassembled the weapons and carried them in a brief case or box or backpack. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #5
Earlier today they interviewed an employee in the building. DURHAM D Sep 2013 #6
How recently was he booted out, I wonder? rocktivity Sep 2013 #9
Here's a link Tx4obama Sep 2013 #15
Do you have a link saying he was dismissed from the Navy Reserves? onenote Sep 2013 #13
It was on MSNBC. Obviously I don't have a link to my tv. DURHAM D Sep 2013 #14
He was honorably discharged malaise Sep 2013 #22
I read that he got a general discharge Aerows Sep 2013 #24
It's changing by the minute malaise Sep 2013 #26
Honorable discharge maddezmom Sep 2013 #31
He was more than 2 years in the reserves. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #27
So DURHAM D Sep 2013 #28
So nothing. Just correcting what you said. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #29
As indicated, I just repeated what was being said on MSNBC yesterday. DURHAM D Sep 2013 #30
We don't know that's what happened, do we? onenote Sep 2013 #7
I guess we will know more tomorrow when the facts start getting sorted out. Tx4obama Sep 2013 #10
If he shot a guard at a gate, he may have shot a Marine and they do carry automatic weapons. MADem Sep 2013 #19
He could have placed it in there earlier Kingofalldems Sep 2013 #12
They can both be broken down into smaller pieces tazkcmo Sep 2013 #16
If it was one of those "turnstyle" entrances, like at the Pentagon and the old BUPERS, USMC/HQ, they MADem Sep 2013 #17
Obviously, there were not enough good guys with guns. thereismore Sep 2013 #18
Easy: He didn't. Because he didn't even have an AR-15, according to the FBI. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #20
OMG, just saw your link - lynne Sep 2013 #23
If at any point he used one, he took it from an armed guard that he killed some other way. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #25
He didn't have an AR-15 when he entered the building - lynne Sep 2013 #21
He apparently didn't have an AR-15. As to the shotgun, this explanation... PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #32
He entered with a saw-off shot gun in two parts in a bag dem in texas Sep 2013 #33

Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
2. Don't quote me, but I read somewhere he ambushed one of the security guards and took his weapon
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:07 PM
Sep 2013

But that was early in the reporting. Will try to see if I can find anything.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
8. They said on the news he had three weapons: AR-15, shotgun, and hand gun
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:20 PM
Sep 2013

I think that is what they said



Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
5. He could have disassembled the weapons and carried them in a brief case or box or backpack.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:09 PM
Sep 2013

If you want to do something crazy, and have two brain cells to rub together, you can figure out how to do it.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
6. Earlier today they interviewed an employee in the building.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:16 PM
Sep 2013

He indicated that there are 3 security barriers before you can actually get in that building.

Frankly this is a scandal about security clearances. He was in the Navy Reserves for 2 years and then booted out.

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
9. How recently was he booted out, I wonder?
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:20 PM
Sep 2013

I also read something about his being a civilian contractor. But if I've learned anything from situations like this, it's going to take a little while before all the facts get it.


rocktivity

onenote

(42,723 posts)
13. Do you have a link saying he was dismissed from the Navy Reserves?
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:26 PM
Sep 2013

This story says he was in the reserves for four years. Doesn't mention him being dismissed.
http://news.yahoo.com/suspected-shooter-served-u-navy-reserves-202557709.html

malaise

(269,097 posts)
26. It's changing by the minute
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 07:01 PM
Sep 2013

I'll wait - he had serious psychiatric problems but he sure organized his slaughter well.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
31. Honorable discharge
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 07:43 PM
Sep 2013

Honorable Discharge from Navy (source: Navy officials, via New York Times)

"Navy officials said the gunman was given an honorable discharge from the military in January 2011 after he had applied for an early discharge under the Navy’s 'early enlisted transition program,' although he had exhibited a 'pattern of misbehavior,' which included insubordination and unauthorized absences. Those issues had led the Navy to consider forcing Mr. Alexis out of the service with a less than honorable discharge."


And Rear Adm. John Kirby was on CNN earlier and said the same.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
29. So nothing. Just correcting what you said.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 07:30 PM
Sep 2013

It absolutely makes no difference how long he was in the military.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
30. As indicated, I just repeated what was being said on MSNBC yesterday.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 07:34 PM
Sep 2013

Please note the post is more than 24 hours old and about 15 news cycles ago.

onenote

(42,723 posts)
7. We don't know that's what happened, do we?
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:19 PM
Sep 2013

I've heard it reported that he shot the guard at the gate, took his service weapon and then shot a responding DC police officer and took the officers AR-15.

Maybe that's what happened, maybe not.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. If he shot a guard at a gate, he may have shot a Marine and they do carry automatic weapons.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:36 PM
Sep 2013

Or they did, anyway, last time I was there. USMC security detachment does man the Latrobe gate, don't know about the others. It's been years since I've been over there.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
16. They can both be broken down into smaller pieces
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:32 PM
Sep 2013

And then easily carried in a gym bag or some such. Without going back to re-read the article, I'm pretty sure he had used another person's badge to gain entrance to the facility and having that badge meant there was no requirement to search the bag. They found the badge lying next to his body.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. If it was one of those "turnstyle" entrances, like at the Pentagon and the old BUPERS, USMC/HQ, they
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:33 PM
Sep 2013

don't have a lot of people working those things. You swipe your card and in you go.

At one place where I used to work there was only one guy sitting behind the desk when it wasn't "rush hour." He'd be on the phone half the time. He was there to make sure someone didn't jump over the darn things.

This guy used someone else's "swipe card" to get in--he might have shot the guard, or if he had the weapon in a duffle or gym bag (lots of people run at lunch), who would notice?

The idea is to make sure people who are supposed to get in are getting in; at NAVSEA, they're more worried about limiting access to authorized people so that military secrets (design of ships, e.g.) don't leave the building. They aren't thinking of some nut shooting people....

Until now, anyway...

lynne

(3,118 posts)
23. OMG, just saw your link -
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 06:58 PM
Sep 2013

- and now they're saying he never even picked up an AR-15? I did hear where they were only finding shotgun shells. Just never know what to believe. Witnesses sure have a good reason to be confused given what was going on, though.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
25. If at any point he used one, he took it from an armed guard that he killed some other way.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 07:01 PM
Sep 2013

But even that hypothesis is looking doubtful at this point.

lynne

(3,118 posts)
21. He didn't have an AR-15 when he entered the building -
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 06:55 PM
Sep 2013

- he had a shotgun that was in pieces. He then put the pieces together, began his spree, and took the AR-15 and handgun off others, probably police/security officers.

He had a valid ID, didn't have to go through metal detectors, so easily got the shotgun inside the building disassembled.

This according to info at the following link: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/17/navy-yard-shooting-aaron-alexis-washington/2824793/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+usatoday-NewsTopStories+%28USATODAY+-+News+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
32. He apparently didn't have an AR-15. As to the shotgun, this explanation...
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 07:46 PM
Sep 2013

The gun was broken in half and he had it in a bag,” one official said of the Remington. “He went inside the building and assembled it in a bathroom.”

From: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us/state-law-stopped-gunman-from-buying-rifle-officials-say.html


dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
33. He entered with a saw-off shot gun in two parts in a bag
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 08:16 PM
Sep 2013

Once inside, he went to a restroom put the shotgun together and then shot a guard and that took the guard's AR-15. He shot another guard and that is where he got the third gun.

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