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Private contractors are very bad for national security (Original Post) malaise Sep 2013 OP
I agree private cointractors (and for that matter any private business) gopiscrap Sep 2013 #1
Additionally everyone is subsidizing the gun goons and the NRA malaise Sep 2013 #2
Revise: Mercenaries Aerows Sep 2013 #3
Machiavelli warned us malaise Sep 2013 #6
You are completely and utterly wrong. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #4
+1 Johonny Sep 2013 #9
The private corporations that do all the background / security DURHAM D Sep 2013 #10
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Sep 2013 #12
I worked for a contractor that conducted the USOPM's background checks going back to '96 NightWatcher Sep 2013 #14
Thank you. DURHAM D Sep 2013 #24
My most recent background re-investigation was last year (2012). Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #16
I tried to fight against privatization in my very small corner of the Army LiberalLoner Sep 2013 #5
Imagine privatizing food for the army malaise Sep 2013 #7
That's just silly. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #11
Because governments were never set up to be for profit malaise Sep 2013 #13
+1000 DURHAM D Sep 2013 #18
That's just incoherent. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #20
Whatever n/t malaise Sep 2013 #22
I am a Defense Contractor Burma Jones Sep 2013 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Sep 2013 #15
Hello... the government does not do the background checks. DURHAM D Sep 2013 #19
You are right - I just double checked. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #25
In regards to private mercenaries, there are least two major problems aside Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #17
+1,000 Uncle Joe malaise Sep 2013 #21
historial question 90-percent Sep 2013 #27
I honestly don't know how many contractors have been killed Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #29
I think privatization of national security is bad for democracy. cui bono Sep 2013 #23
Thank you malaise Sep 2013 #26
one reason among many... Agony Sep 2013 #28

gopiscrap

(23,762 posts)
1. I agree private cointractors (and for that matter any private business)
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:30 PM
Sep 2013

doesn't give a fuck about anything except making money for themselves.

malaise

(269,096 posts)
2. Additionally everyone is subsidizing the gun goons and the NRA
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:35 PM
Sep 2013

because security costs a lot of money.
Time to rein in the guns.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
3. Revise: Mercenaries
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:38 PM
Sep 2013

People that make war for pay are mercenaries. I don't care what they try to call themselves.

Llewlladdwr

(2,165 posts)
4. You are completely and utterly wrong.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:40 PM
Sep 2013

As a former government contractor I find your post extremely offensive. I can assure that I, my co-workers and the companies who employed us all took national security very, very seriously. Our background investigations were performed by the exact same agencies as performed checks for military personnel and DoD civilians. And it's the government, not the contractor, that determines what level of clearance a position requires. Please educate yourself before speaking on a topic you know nothing about.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
10. The private corporations that do all the background / security
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:55 PM
Sep 2013

checks (for civilian employees and contractors) have been found over and over again to be fabricating the checks.

Government agencies do not perform the checks - private for-profit spin-offs from Booz Allen do all the checks. I am guessing your clearance experience is not recent.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
14. I worked for a contractor that conducted the USOPM's background checks going back to '96
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:59 PM
Sep 2013

We carried OPM creds but were 100% private. It's the same company that's been under investigation for shortcomings and errors.

Llewlladdwr

(2,165 posts)
16. My most recent background re-investigation was last year (2012).
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 08:03 PM
Sep 2013

The Defense Security Service is the DoD agency responsible for performing background checks for DoD, at least as concerns requests from private industry. The bulk of the remaining background investigations are handled by OPM.

here's a little more info from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Security_Service

You wouldn't happen to have a link to your info, would you?

LiberalLoner

(9,762 posts)
5. I tried to fight against privatization in my very small corner of the Army
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:41 PM
Sep 2013

They were going to get rid of military cooks for our frequently deploying Brigade and I tried to argue we needed the soldiers as civilians would not be deployable.

They privatized anyway.

In fact it would not surprise me if they do away with military entirely and have corporate armies.

Llewlladdwr

(2,165 posts)
11. That's just silly.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:56 PM
Sep 2013

How could "privatizing" food for the Army be disgusting? What does privatizing even mean in this case? Most food served by military dining facilities is already prepared and served by civilain contractors. In the field you're generally eating MREs, which yes, are manufactured by civilian companies. Why the hate for contractors malaise?

malaise

(269,096 posts)
13. Because governments were never set up to be for profit
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:59 PM
Sep 2013

and government for sale to corporations is fascism.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
18. +1000
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 08:06 PM
Sep 2013

I remember hearing during the NSA mess that one of the conditions of the law that allowed privatizing our government services (like food and security clearance checks) could not be done if there was NOT a cost savings for the taxpayers. It is supposed to be reviewed annually.

BUT, the numbers are hidden by the agencies (particularly the military and intelligence agencies) and the budget office and our congress have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA how much more we are paying because of the privatization.

Llewlladdwr

(2,165 posts)
20. That's just incoherent.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 08:07 PM
Sep 2013

The Government is not capable of performing some tasks. It hires contractors who can. I'm not seeing the evil there.

Burma Jones

(11,760 posts)
8. I am a Defense Contractor
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:51 PM
Sep 2013

and would prefer just working directly for the Government.

As long as so much of our defense relies on publicly traded private firms which require growth to support share prices, the Government WILL ensure increased revenues and profitability.

Response to malaise (Original post)

Uncle Joe

(58,378 posts)
17. In regards to private mercenaries, there are least two major problems aside
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 08:04 PM
Sep 2013

from what you posted.

1. Control and accountability, they're loose cannons and the American People don't have a clue as to what's being done in their name because the government and corporate media don't post numbers when deployed as they do the armed forces.

2. They're a for profit leech against the defense budget, what goes to the for profit mercenaries doesn't go the Marines, Navy, Army and Air Force. Many experienced troops don't reenlist and go the for profit route as a result because the pay is greater, not to mention many non-Americans fight for the likes of Blackwater/XE or whatever their name is now.

The American Peoples' Armed Forces are gradually weakened as a result because of these modern day Hessians.

Thanks for the thread, malaise

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
27. historial question
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 08:20 PM
Sep 2013

Are there not perhaps 800 dead contractors from our two middle east wars? And don't they end up in historical oblivion, because their numbers do not tally in the count of US war Casualties?

Just wondering?

-90% Jimmy

Uncle Joe

(58,378 posts)
29. I honestly don't know how many contractors have been killed
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 08:53 PM
Sep 2013

from our two middle east wars.

I imagine they do end up in some form of "historical oblivion" other than to their families and friends.

Having said that, I don't imagine that makes too much difference to them when they're dead.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
23. I think privatization of national security is bad for democracy.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 08:09 PM
Sep 2013

Regardless of the quality of bg checks.

Profit motive rules out fair play imo. They have skin in the game and can use their abilities for nefarious reasons. And thye cost tax payers too much money. And they let the govt off the hook, like in Iraq.

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