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FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:58 PM Sep 2013

No Menstrual Hygiene For Indian Women Holds Economy Back

Sushma Devi, a mother of three in Northern India, stores her “moon cup” on the window sill of the mud-brick veranda that shelters the family goats.

In a village where few have indoor toilets and the Hindi word for her genitals is a profanity, 30-year-old Sushma struggles to talk about how she manages her period and the changes brought by the bell-shaped device she inserts in her vagina to collect menstrual blood.

“It’s a thing from hell,” she says of the malleable, silicone cup, which she received from a Massachusetts Institute of Technology research group. “I have to keep it far from the house, from where I pray.”

Across the world’s largest democracy, where a decade of economic growth nearing 8 percent a year has tripled per-capita income, millions of women are held back by shame around their most basic sanitary needs.

Teenage girls and young women are encouraged to go to school and enter the workforce, yet have little access to the infrastructure and products -- separate bathrooms, sanitary pads -- that will help them succeed. Taboos around sexual health reflect a level of discomfort with the female body that affects women’s contribution to the economy and marks India as the third-worst nation in Asia for gender inequality.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-24/no-menstrual-hygiene-for-indian-women-holds-economy-back.html
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No Menstrual Hygiene For Indian Women Holds Economy Back (Original Post) FarCenter Sep 2013 OP
They cannot get ahead when their most basic sanitary needs are not met. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2013 #1
This issue & the issue of extremely brutal rapes in India are intertwined, IMO. n/t Triana Sep 2013 #8
This is also true in some African countries where girls actually miss school undeterred Sep 2013 #2
And women are more likely to stay home, waiting until nightfall to visit latrines ... in India too progree Sep 2013 #19
Wow A Little Weird Sep 2013 #3
kick Liberal_in_LA Sep 2013 #4
It is amazing, isn't it? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #5
I'm guessing those Orthodox women leftynyc Sep 2013 #25
Depends where in the world. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #26
Read "Unorthodox" by Deborah Feldman. Brigid Sep 2013 #33
That should be an interesting read. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #37
I had just edited my post. Brigid Sep 2013 #39
Here in the US we have some school principals who are completely insensitive on this issue. pnwmom Sep 2013 #6
The purse ban is still policy exboyfil Sep 2013 #7
Why aren't the parents putting up a bigger fuss? I know I would. n/t pnwmom Sep 2013 #10
I would to exboyfil Sep 2013 #13
Good luck! I hope it works out for the best, whatever that is. pnwmom Sep 2013 #14
On DU, people who oppose nude scanners or NSA data mining... redgreenandblue Sep 2013 #20
Disgusting... ReRe Sep 2013 #11
My daughter was amazed pnwmom Sep 2013 #12
Sorry ReRe Sep 2013 #31
I don't think privatization is the answer and I don't support tax dollars going to private schools. pnwmom Sep 2013 #32
What the hell is wrong with parents who would allow a school vanlassie Sep 2013 #9
Is there a charity to give out tampons? Sounds like a good idea, actually. N/T bobclark86 Sep 2013 #15
Evil tampons!!!! longship Sep 2013 #16
Unfuckingbelievable. nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #17
My big question when I see the tent settlements is, "how do they have sex?" Recursion Sep 2013 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #27
On concrete? Recursion Sep 2013 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #30
OK but a "moon cup" is a perfectly reasonable way to deal with menstruation MadrasT Sep 2013 #21
I took the point of that quote to be that that young woman pnwmom Sep 2013 #38
k and r and the war on women continues niyad Sep 2013 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #23
No wonder so many of them come here to the US, get education and never return home. kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #24
That's interesting TuxedoKat Sep 2013 #28
in the US OBama got like 85 percent of the indian american vote JI7 Sep 2013 #36
What the fuck century is this? a la izquierda Sep 2013 #34
India is very Dirty JI7 Sep 2013 #35
The bathrooms in India can be lower than third world and in many places people just use the street diane in sf Sep 2013 #40

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,683 posts)
1. They cannot get ahead when their most basic sanitary needs are not met.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:01 PM
Sep 2013

It's tough enough when those needs are met.

Come on, India, Wake the fuck up!

Your women are in trouble. From dealing with this issue to the issue of rape, things are horrible for Indian women.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
2. This is also true in some African countries where girls actually miss school
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:02 PM
Sep 2013

during menstruation because they do not have a way to deal with it.

Adolescent girls are likely to miss school and fall behind in their education due to a lack of segregated, private and appropriate sanitation facilities. And women are more likely to stay home, waiting until nightfall to visit latrines, leading to an increased risk of violence.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201306261378.html?aa_source=slideout

progree

(10,912 posts)
19. And women are more likely to stay home, waiting until nightfall to visit latrines ... in India too
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 03:11 AM
Sep 2013
" And women are more likely to stay home, waiting until nightfall to visit latrines, leading to an increased risk of violence. "


I read that is common in India too.

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
3. Wow
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:22 PM
Sep 2013

Kind of helps me put some of my problems in perspective. I hope the conditions for women can be improved in India and in so many other parts of the world.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
5. It is amazing, isn't it?
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:36 PM
Sep 2013

And we are not that far from things like that, Very orthodox jewish women are also considered impure during that time of the month

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
25. I'm guessing those Orthodox women
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 10:20 AM
Sep 2013

have access to sanitary napkins, tampax, separate bathrooms for girls - we're talking about women who have no access to those very basic needs, not what the imaginary sky daddy has to say about it.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
26. Depends where in the world.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 11:45 AM
Sep 2013

Realize that sky daddy aso does not allow them access to the tv, computers or the modern world.

We are talking of a very small group. Personally I consider it child abuse. And the boys are also kept away from TV, computers or the knowledge that we went to the moon.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
33. Read "Unorthodox" by Deborah Feldman.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 09:54 PM
Sep 2013

She is a former Hasidic Jew. She talks about this issue in her book. And wait until you get to the part about the mikvah. The book is a great read.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
39. I had just edited my post.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 10:08 PM
Sep 2013

Wait till you get to the part about the mikvah. For a ritual that is supposed to be about purification, it's both hilarious and kind of gross at the same time. It's also amazing how isolated you can be in the middle of Brooklyn. Hasidism just sounds like a huge pain in the butt to me.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
6. Here in the US we have some school principals who are completely insensitive on this issue.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:44 PM
Sep 2013

For example:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-09-11/news/0809101277_1_purses-ban-last-year-ken-trump

A newly enforced rule this school year prohibits purses in the classrooms, adding to an existing ban of book bags and backpacks. But the latest provision is exasperating some students and their parents, who say the policy compromises the privacy of girls.

At a school board meeting this week before a standing-room-only crowd, mom Janet Brennan demonstrated how uncomfortable it is to cram feminine hygiene products into pockets already stuffed with a pen, pencil, calculator and other items.

"I was trying to make a point," said Brennan, whose 15-year-old daughter, Kristin Lynch, is a sophomore at the school. "They have to carry these products in their pocket. Girls that age are easily embarrassed; they don't want people to know they have their period."

Experts say banning backpacks in the classroom is becoming more popular as schools tighten security measures in a post-Columbine world. However, banning purses in classrooms, they said, is extremely uncommon, although controversies surrounding similar prohibitions have popped up around the country.

Last year in New York, a male school security guard asked a 14-year-old girl if the reason she was carrying a purse in school was because she was on her period. The interrogation sparked a student protest.

SNIP

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
13. I would to
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:22 AM
Sep 2013

They don't have such a ban here, but our administration also does many odd things (to the point that it my be my 10th grader's last year at the High School).

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
14. Good luck! I hope it works out for the best, whatever that is.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:25 AM
Sep 2013

Our children all started out in public, lasted there as long as I could stand, and then wound up in private. I'm still a big supporter of public schools, working on the levy campaigns, etc. But I'm not going to sacrifice my children to my ideals. They're only young once.

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
20. On DU, people who oppose nude scanners or NSA data mining...
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 03:32 AM
Sep 2013

...are called Libertarian trolls. There is your answer. People who oppose intrusions of privacy which are deemed necessary for "security purposes" by the people in charge catch a lot of shit in America.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
11. Disgusting...
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:18 AM
Sep 2013

... the school should provide sanitary products free of charge in the restrooms if they won't let girls/women carry purses and/or bookbags. Schools are becoming prisons. Replete with bully gangs and bully school officials.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
12. My daughter was amazed
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:22 AM
Sep 2013

when she finally left the public school for a private high school. Sadly, she had gotten used to an atmosphere of suspicion and disrespect, and all of a sudden all the teachers were expecting the best from students, instead of the worst. And, of course, they got it.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
32. I don't think privatization is the answer and I don't support tax dollars going to private schools.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 09:52 PM
Sep 2013

But it's a choice some progressive parents make for our own children, for various reasons, while we try to help public schools get better.

vanlassie

(5,681 posts)
9. What the hell is wrong with parents who would allow a school
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 12:51 AM
Sep 2013

to treat their girls that way??? (Not to take anything away from the problems of Indian women, but , Jesus.)

longship

(40,416 posts)
16. Evil tampons!!!!
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:55 AM
Sep 2013
Tampons: Satan's Little Cotton Fingers

Ladies of Landover member Mrs. Taffy Davenport-Gaines Crockett, visiting the Landover Christian Pharmacy recently to refill the church tract display, happened upon a shocking sight. A young woman was visibly upset and arguing loudly with pharmacist Emma Mae Martin. What Mrs. Crockett discovered next sickened her unto the point of nausea.
"The young woman was trying to buy tampons," Mrs. Crockett said, barely able to hold back tears. "I snatched that girl by the hair and pulled her outside... there were children present! Can you imagine how they'd be damaged by hearing such evil ideas?"

“I explained to this young lady that we do not carry such phallic devices as tampons and when attending to her monthly curse," Mrs. Martin said, adding that "Satan himself controls the manufacturing of those things." The young woman then began to verbally abuse her, she said.

"A Godly woman is only to use a Maxi-Pad," Mrs. Crockett stated. "Why, they even have them with little angel wings now! I handed her a box and told her unless she wanted my handprint across her face she was never to utter that evil T word again!” The as yet unidentified woman then fled the store in humiliation. Landover Security sketch artists are preparing a likeness to aid in identifying the young woman. Her salvation status is unknown, but based on this event, it is likely she is Hellbound.


{more satire at link}


Yup! It's satire. From Landover Baptist Church, an oldie but a goodie.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
18. My big question when I see the tent settlements is, "how do they have sex?"
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 02:05 AM
Sep 2013

A few lucky ones have a couch with a tarp stretched over it, but mostly it's just a blanket on the concrete with an 8' X 8' tarp raised over it for your whole family. But babies are made (and born) in these conditions. I know the western ideas of privacy don't apply, but the basic geometry can't change very much and I'm not entirely sure how it's spatially possible.

In the Mumbai slums, at least, the women tend to do their hygienic stuff by the railroad tracks, which results in a much higher number of women than men getting hit by trains every day

Response to Recursion (Reply #18)

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
29. On concrete?
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 12:16 PM
Sep 2013

I don't think you appreciate the level of crowding I'm talking about. 1 million people per square mile crowding.

Response to Recursion (Reply #29)

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
21. OK but a "moon cup" is a perfectly reasonable way to deal with menstruation
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 06:50 AM
Sep 2013

I have tons of new agey liberal friends who use them because they do not generate landfill waste like pads and tampons do. And they sing their praises and try to get other women to use them.

However, ideally it should be a choice and not someone's only option. I personally would have hated using a "moon cup".

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
38. I took the point of that quote to be that that young woman
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 10:01 PM
Sep 2013

was learning to view a normal bodily process with disgust and shame. She hates the moon cup because it's associated with something else she hates.

Response to FarCenter (Original post)

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
24. No wonder so many of them come here to the US, get education and never return home.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 10:14 AM
Sep 2013

The irony about all this is of the two dozen Indian friends we have (4 families) they all are very well educated (educated here) most have very high paying jobs but ALL are RW conservatives and extremely anti-immigration especially when it comes to Mexicans. Salvadorians, and Africans. And yes, they quickly learned that to be against and wary of blacks in America was something that helped them in their careers here. Maybe I only know a microcosm of Indians but this is what I know about all of those in my circle of family and friends.

TuxedoKat

(3,818 posts)
28. That's interesting
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 12:03 PM
Sep 2013

Not saying I don't believe you but because my experience was the exact opposite. The majority of Indians I meet/met were fairly liberal Democrats and highly educated with high paying jobs too, lived in the nicest neighborhoods, etc. I met quite a few because at one time I was really close to one Indian coworker (even went travelled to India with her) and met quite a few in the community where I lived at the time.

JI7

(89,262 posts)
36. in the US OBama got like 85 percent of the indian american vote
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 09:57 PM
Sep 2013

not sure if the ones you mention are immigrants. those who grew up in india and came here in which case they would be hypocrites to be anti immigration.

JI7

(89,262 posts)
35. India is very Dirty
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 09:55 PM
Sep 2013

the worst thing about it is that it's not even due to lack of money/resources. many who have satellite tv, smart phones, vehicles etc but they don't put any effort into basic infrastructure and services to keep things clean. like toilets that work, places to throw away trash etc.

many people think women who are on their periods should not go into a temple or near "holy" things.

many people are willing to give their money to fruads to promise spiritual cleansing. but nothing towards basic things to keep them clean.

diane in sf

(3,918 posts)
40. The bathrooms in India can be lower than third world and in many places people just use the street
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 10:36 PM
Sep 2013

or a bush or something,. There seems to be no requirement to even have bathrooms for public buildings. And certainly no cleaning or maintenance taking place, even (or especially) in places like train stations or other public places.

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