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pinto

(106,886 posts)
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:38 AM Sep 2013

I think some of the violent extremism among young men has an economic factor.

An economic base, so to speak.

Seemingly shut out from a secure future or a foreseeable path to that future must be extremely frustrating. That applies to cultures world wide, imo.

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I think some of the violent extremism among young men has an economic factor. (Original Post) pinto Sep 2013 OP
us wimmen folk don't worry about those kind of things Skittles Sep 2013 #1
I think you're right. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #2
I agree... cyberswede Sep 2013 #3
I agree gopiscrap Sep 2013 #4
We're seeing it happen in Greece right now. LAGC Sep 2013 #5
Yes, you are right dem in texas Sep 2013 #6
More importantly, you get revolutions and social unrest. Igel Sep 2013 #7
Engaging in the drug trade often leads to violence. FarCenter Sep 2013 #8
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. I think you're right.
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:48 AM
Sep 2013

I think this is a nearly universal phenomenon, and probably not exclusively modern.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
3. I agree...
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:58 AM
Sep 2013
...But even if, for the sake of argument, these mass murders simply were the random acts of maniacs, one must give a little thought to the conditions which produce so many murderous random acts of maniacs. What seems to be a more persuasive explanation is that these murders are symptomatic of systematic pressures and forces and the damage they wield. Although obvious, it nevertheless ought to be pointed out that as living organisms people can only handle a certain amount of pressure, or stress, before they break down in some way. Also well known is the fact that the economic and technological pressures and stresses people are experiencing today, among others, are historically unprecedented both in their intensities and in their pervasiveness. Indeed, the intensification of these social pressures and forces is indistinct from the transformation of diffused forms of violence into concentrated violence.

Among the most persistent of these pressures are those attending work. Exacerbating the pressures and forces attending the widespread unemployment that is part of the new economy – compromising the stability of even those who have jobs – people across the job spectrum are working significantly more hours for considerably less pay. Factoring in rising costs of housing, education, transportation, etc., we see that people are experiencing far more pressures compared to the recent past, while at the same time seeing the reduction of those supports (income, rest, etc.) that allowed them to sustain these pressures. As a result, these pressures become more intense, concentrated, and destructive.


http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/08/10/mass-murders-and-the-new-economy/

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
6. Yes, you are right
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:26 AM
Sep 2013

I read somewhere that you get violent extremism where you have a large population of young people and high unemployment. When you stop to think about, that makes sense. In some of the middle eastern countries, over half the population is under age 25 and the employment rate is running 40 t0 50 percent.

Igel

(35,374 posts)
7. More importantly, you get revolutions and social unrest.
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 11:00 AM
Sep 2013

Which is what you're seeing in the ME. We like to think it's all pro-democracy, because the people most likely to speak our lingo in the social media we frequent are Western-trained and speak in those terms.

Look just past them and you see, as in Tunisia, as in Libya, as in Egypt, the expectation that democracy = prosperity, and that as soon as you have democracy things must be prosperous.

For them "democracy" is more an economic than a political term and emphasizes outcomes and not processes. In the US, educated folk tend to regard democracy as a purely political term that is compatible with a variety of economic systems. We also tend to regard economic outcomes as imperfectly correlated to economic systems, so a capitalist system may produce greater average/overall prosperity but allows depressions, a command-and-control system might produce some kinds of economic growth but in the long term will falter, etc. The popular view flattens those two layers of thought.

Moreover, it's not just economic but also sexual and social. No economic prosperity = can't afford wife = can't be properly adult and meet adult obligations = humiliation. And that's the dominant way of expressing such concerns.

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