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intaglio

(8,170 posts) Sun Sep 22, 2013, 08:29 AM Sep 2013

Navy rape case, sexual harrassment by council and very few care

Because of all the jabbering only 9 people have seen fit to comment about this nauseating case and I'm sorry I missed it earlier.

Jezebel

Well, this is completely sickening: the defense lawyers for three former U.S. Naval Academy football players accused of raping their classmate spent roughly thirty hours over the course of several days grilling the victim about her sex habits. The questions — which were asked in a public hearing — were intrusive, victim-blaming, and humiliating. The victim was asked whether she wore underwear to the party at which she was raped, whether she apologized to one of her accused rapists "for being a ho," and how wide she opened her mouth during oral sex.

Also at the New York Times

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Navy rape case, sexual harrassment by council and very few care (Original Post) intaglio Sep 2013 OP

Thank you for posting this. chervilant Sep 2013 #1

the Bar daybranch Sep 2013 #3

This is not a trial, it is an Article 32 hearing intaglio Sep 2013 #4

It's still pretty sleezy though thucythucy Sep 2013 #6

Apparently not in Article 32 hearings intaglio Sep 2013 #7

Yet another reason for these cases to not be tried within the military system mythology Sep 2013 #9

K&R redqueen Sep 2013 #2

God, that's vile! K & R! historylovr Sep 2013 #5

Rape culture is disgusting. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #8

awful. Liberal_in_LA Sep 2013 #10

chervilant

(8,267 posts)

1. Thank you for posting this.

Reply to intaglio (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 08:46 AM

Sep 2013

Not surprised that I didn't see the other threads. Sexism and misogyny remain pervasive in our society. So many don't want to be reminded...

daybranch

(1,309 posts)

3. the Bar

Reply to chervilant (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 09:26 AM

Sep 2013

association should institute some standards and judge should penalize the attorneys for asking such unrelated questions.

intaglio

(8,170 posts)

4. This is not a trial, it is an Article 32 hearing

Reply to daybranch (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 10:19 AM

Sep 2013

These decide whether the case should go to courts martial. Because it is not a trial none of the protections available to victims in a court are available.

thucythucy

(8,089 posts)

6. It's still pretty sleezy though

Reply to intaglio (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 04:21 PM

Sep 2013

and an assault on this woman.

The judge (or whoever adjudicates in these hearings) should have stopped this line of questioning. It constitutes harassing a witness, and seems an obvious attempt to get her to drop the charges and thus derail the justice system.

Surely, no matter what the context, there are rules against that?

intaglio

(8,170 posts)

7. Apparently not in Article 32 hearings

Reply to thucythucy (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 04:30 PM

Sep 2013

From the comments to the Jezebel article

Different forums (i.e. tribunals) have different rules. That's why it's very important in certain cases for the plaintiff to have the power to decide which forum should hear their case.

A military tribunal is not a civil court and it's not a criminal court. It doesn't give two shits about making the victim whole or punishing the transgressor. It cares about upholding military values, and fixing the rather large sexual assault problem occurring within their ranks is just not a priority.