Were a couple of pit bulls. Each of them owned every obedience title offered through the AKC.

I agree that BSL (Breed Specific Legislation) doesn't know what it is talking about. BSL is the reaction taken by the most clueless and feckless human clown shoes the world has to offer. People that think BSL is anything but, bill at the highest levels of dipshittery, making even the greatest dumbfucks recoil with the sort of surprise and awe that ANYONE can maintain that sort of intelligence void. Usually, these upright mumpsimuses are the same ones that couldn't pick an actual "pit bull" out of a canine lineup, but nevertheless came to the conclusion that the "breed" should be banned because quite frankly, it's easier than thinking.

Call me bitter about this, but it's really just that I'm sick of being surrounded by stupid.

It should stand for Bull Shit Legislation since it is so full of it.

the only danger I ever felt was an extreme tongue lashing

lol.

That's what one of my coworkers once when I told him how my pits loved to give me kisses. Only breed I'll ever have again. So loving, funny and obedient.

My babies (no longer with us):

aw they were beauts

I made the mistake of tryng to play tug-of-war with one, with a short piece of rope - he pulled me clean off the couch and onto the floor, where he attacked me with his tongue

The ONLY dog that ever VICIOUSLY attacked my gentle Golden rescue was a pit that held on to him until he passed out and dropped to the ground. I was crying and screaming and holding my dog and laid on the ground with my dog until he regained consciousness. I had at least 25 witnesses to exactly what happened. After he viciously attacked my dog the monster turned on and severely bit its owner. People came up to me in tears and offered to help me carry my dog to my car. Ever Cesar Milan has said they are not to be trusted! Luckily my dog survived.
I have had multiple dogs over 40 years and not one of my dogs ever bit anything!
Sometimes people bring several pits to the dog park and they become territorial and aggressive and people just leave.
So do not tell me what great dogs these are. I have vet bills that say otherwise!

It was a registered full-blooded pit I found out.

that can be vicious, and not the breed. I personally have had problems with those little Pomeranians. But I don't think that all Poms are horrid little creatures.

I have knows the sweetest Pits, well-trained and intelligent. And I have seen some really aggressive Pits. Individuals. And quite possibly the owners who do not take the time and effort to train their dogs....and that happens with every breed.

www.aspca.org ?
Pit bulls have been bred to behave differently during a fight. They may not give warning before becoming aggressive, and they're less likely to back down when ...

www.dogsbite.org › dangerous dogs?
Due to selective breeding for the purposes of dogfighting, pit bulls are highly dog-aggressive. This aggression is not limited to dogs; pit bulls frequently kill other …

We had a case not far from me where a woman adopted two pit puppies, they slept on her bed, she raised them lovingly, etc. One day she took their food to the back yard and they ATTACKED AND KILLED her. Her 14 year old son tried to rescue his mother and they went after him. He was able to make it back inside. The news played the horrendous call to 911 made by her 9 year old son.

As I said, even Cesar Milan said they are not to be trusted. With all the dogs I've had over 40 years, mostly 2 or 3 at a time, I never had a dog bite anything.

I've worked with at least 80 pit bulls and have never been so much as growled at by one. Their owners are responsible and know what the hell they are doing. Do you think there may be a correlation there by chance?

ANY dog can be manipulated to be vicious, you must be cautious with ALL dogs you are not familiar with. Pit bulls, aside from the rare exception, are not born vicious. When talking about what Cesar Milan has said, I think you need to listen to him a bit more carefully. The man has owned and presently owns pit bulls and integrates them with the dogs he's trying to rehabilitate. Yes, that really sounds like someone who doesn't trust ALL pit bulls.

You had a bad experience, it does happen. That however doesn't mean they are ALL like that. BSL is a ridiculous piece of legislation that broad brushes every single pit bull breed or pit mix, written by ignorant legislators who cannot even be bothered to do unbiased research much less have any idea wtf they are talking about.

he abuses dogs and supports the use of choke chains. If that man got anywhere near my dogs, he would be on the ground bleeding.

Here is what Cesar Milan has said:

"Yet it only takes a brief look at the history of pit bulls to realize that the dogs are not the problem; the humans who misuse them are. For over a hundred years, holding the owners personally responsible was enough to prevent attacks, and the breed was perceived as very child-friendly. With outreach and education, it may be possible to restore that image and rehabilitate the pit bull’s reputation, restoring an iconic American dog to its rightful place among mankind’s best friends"

Read more: http://www.cesarsway.com/dogbehavior/basics/How-Did-Pit-Bulls-Get-a-Bad-Rap#ixzz2fkJ8QmAF




Please show your source for anything Cesar Milan has said about not trusting an entire breed. That runs against his whole belief system - he looks at dogs as individuals not entire breeds.

but the two that I had experience with were mean and nasty, high strung, and biters.

Just because there are people out there who actually get Pits just to have mean dogs does not mean that all Pit Bulls are dangerous. But since the stereotype is that they are mean and vicious, they attract the people who encourage that in them. That is a whole separate thing than that all the Pits are dangerous---which is what the "breed specific" regulations assume.

Toy Poodles, too.

don't piss in my boot and tell me it is raining. It annoys me.

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/dog-bites/dogbite-factsheet.html

A CDC study on fatal dog bites lists the breeds involved in fatal attacks over 20 years (Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998 Adobe PDF file). It does not identify specific breeds that are most likely to bite or kill, and thus is not appropriate for policy-making decisions related to the topic. Each year, 4.7 million Americans are bitten by dogs. These bites result in approximately 16 fatalities; about 0.0002 percent of the total number of people bitten. These relatively few fatalities offer the only available information about breeds involved in dog bites. There is currently no accurate way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed, and consequently no measure to determine which breeds are more likely to bite or kill.

My, you are so CLASSY! That speaks volumes about you. Your words are so well measured and thought out! NOT! We know how accurate YOUR statistics are since you set the bar so low! People use your language because they have nothing else. I'll bet you have a prestigious career! LOL!

You never heard of selective breeding? Wow! You might want to check it out. Cats and dogs are bred for temperamental and physical attributes all the time. Maybe you can figure it out if you try hard. Try hard, try really,really hard!

You never had college biology?

Yup, everyone is just making it all up! What color is the sky in your world? LOL!

Anyway, thanks for playing.

BYE!

Your words are so well measured and thought out! NOT! We know how accurate YOUR statistics are since you set the bar so low! People use your language because they have nothing else. I'll bet you have a prestigious career! LOL!

There's no such thing as a "full-blooded pit." Asserting that there is usually means that someone doesn't know what they're talking about.

n/t

attack the messenger...You lose

You are the one who made an assumption about me! Remember?

You make an uninformed post and start name-calling when it's pointed out to you? Um, okay, that makes sense...

Many dogs fall into categories like herding dogs, bird dogs, etc. Pit-bull is a category of dogs which includes several specific breeds and as far as people who do actually know what they are talking about, there's little doubt about the lethality of pit-bull type dogs.

n/t

Without even looking, I'm betting part of that stupidity is from:
1. The shamed, self-admittedly flawed CDC report; or,
2. Merritt fucking Clifton, dipshit savant.

23 people died from pit bulls per your source (that's if they even were pits to begin with, some are misidentified). 28 people died from a lightening strike in 2012, so you have a better chance of dying by lightening than by a pit bull. Excuse me for not sharing in the ridiculous hysteria here. It's one of the most rarest ways to die, especially when you consider the population of people and pit bulls of varying breeds and mixes. If pits were that dangerous, there would be at least hundreds of casualties per day. You'd be seeing the hundreds of pit bull rescuers at least missing digits or limbs, or being killed by them but funny enough, they never seem to have a problem keeping intact and alive and I'm talking about the ones who have rescued hundreds of them.

Here is more
"Cesar Millan often says, “A breed is like a suit of clothes, it doesn’t tell you anything about the dog inside.” In Leader of the Pack, Cesar works to rehabilitate dogs and train people, which is the best way to help others understand that it isn’t any particular breed that causes problems, but the way a dog is trained. There is a “good” dog inside of almost every dog. This is certainly true of the most misunderstood breed, the pit bull."


I don't see where you get that he has ever said not to trust an entire breed.

Here is information from another "biased" site - National Geographic - that hot bed of pit bull apologists

http://tvblogs.nationalgeographic.com/2013/03/19/the-truth-about-pit-bulls/

A "registered full blood pit" would have to be registered as one of 3 closely related breeds. It could be a AKC American Staffordshire Terrier, AKC Staffordshire Bull Terrier or UKC American Pit Bull Terrier. I'm curious as to which one of the 3 it was?

He uses them for training other dogs because they set such a good example. Just because you hate pits doesn't mean you get to make stuff up.

Look at all these pics of him with pits:
https://www.google.com/search?q=cesar+millan+pit+bull&client=firefox-a&hs=CYf&rls=org.mozilla:en-US fficial&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=HNE_UqnpGeSDjALo-YGYBw&ved=0CFQQsAQ&biw=1215&bih=683&dpr=1

And look at all the articles of him saying they are misunderstood:
https://www.google.com/search?q=cesar+millan+pit+bull&client=firefox-a&hs=FtK&rls=org.mozilla:en-US fficial&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=MtE_UruDCaLMiQKPnoDoBA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAA&biw=1215&bih=683&dpr=1

NEXT.

I moved to Manhattan. Still visit them 2 to 3 times a month.

That goes for every breed from hamster to human.

I think that is understandable.

are therapy dogs.

My ex-gf got a pit bull; that dig was very friendly and smart!

She attached to her and watched her like a hawk all the time, like she was in school.

I prefer somewhat larger and furrier dogs, like golden retrievers, but that put bull was one smart and affectionate cookie

www.aspca.org ?
Pit bulls have been bred to behave differently during a fight. They may not give warning before becoming aggressive, and they're less likely to back down when ...

www.dogsbite.org › dangerous dogs?
Due to selective breeding for the purposes of dogfighting, pit bulls are highly dog-aggressive. This aggression is not limited to dogs; pit bulls frequently kill other …


Also: In the 8-year period from 2005 to 2012, pit bulls killed 151 Americans and accounted for 60% of the total recorded deaths (251). Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers accounted for 73% of these deaths.

2012 statistics

38 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2012.2 Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 600 U.S. cities,3 pit bulls contributed to 61% (23) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population.4
Together, pit bulls (23) and rottweilers (3), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 68% of all fatal attacks in 2012. In the 8-year period from 2005 to 2012, this combination accounted for 73% (183) of the total recorded deaths (251).
The breakdown between pit bulls and rottweilers is substantial over this 8-year period. From 2005 to 2012, pit bulls killed 151 Americans, about one citizen every 19 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 32, about one citizen every 91 days.

Listed below are pictures of ten dogs. None of them are purebred. They are all mixed breeds. Only one is part Pit Bull.

I'll be posting the answers in 1 hour.

Dog 02


Dog 07


Dog 08


Dog 22


Dog 33


Dog 54


Dog 58


Dog 79


Dog 89


Dog 111

Pit bull refers to a larger inclusive group. You do not get it! Retrievers include Goldens. Flat-Coats, Curly Coats, Labradors, etc. People do not understand that!

Even you said "Only one is part Pit Bull." I cannot help you if you do not know what Pit Bull means.

The term pit bull is a generic term used to describe dogs with similar physical characteristics. Usually a "pit bull" is considered one of several breeds including the American "Pit Bull[" Terrier, the American Staffordshire Terrier, the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Bull Terrier or any mix thereof. In some parts of the world, the American Bulldog and Dogo Argentino can also classified as a "Pit Bull-type" dog, despite major genetic differences.

For over 40 years I have had multiple rescue dogs- sometimes 4 at a time. I have spent a small fortune taking ill dogs to canine neurologists and canine ophthalmologists. I have worked with abused dogs teaching them to trust again which sometimes takes years. One of my dogs who suddenly went blind recently will be at the vet tomorrow morning to be tested for Cushings Disease. The local rescue group I work with has told me I “can have any dog I want” because of my devotion, care, and the success I have had with dogs who needed extra help. I have also taken in cats- once having 8 at a time- and gladly paid everyone's vet bills myself.

Pardon me if I believe aggressive dogs are dangerous and saw one of my gentle boys torn apart and almost killed by a pit.

You have NO idea who I am and what I have done for dogs and cats! No idea!

worse around here are the pit bulls dumped all the time by idiots who get tired of their 'poormans' gun, fightin' dog, status symbol.

I don't care to discuss animal rescue numbers, still recovering from PTSD from dealing with the evil side of that stuff.

I have never in my life passed an animal who needed help. I have held a dying squirrel on my shoulder -that I saw hit in the street- while driving the poor creature to the Humane Society. I have gotten the finger from a jerk because I stopped traffic for a few seconds to allow a turtle to cross the road. I have had a bloodied face because I picked up a terrified injured pelican in the middle of traffic. I have picked up cowering dogs in the middle of traffic. I own my own humane cat trap so I can rescue cats and have had some fabulous cats thanks to that. I participated in the first march on Washington for Animal Rights in 1990. I had to give up the animal rights work because what I learned was too horrific to deal with and I was haunted by what actually goes on.

And I know people who do much more than I do.

The very sweet dog who is going to the vet tomorrow is the kindest, gentlest creature. She has saved 2 baby birds. One she found in my backyard and carried in to me so gently. We all- the dogs and I- immediately got into my vehicle and took the baby to the SPCA and they said it would be fine.

When I bought my house I bought the smaller house with the big yard instead of the big house with the tiny yard solely for my dogs. Of course, they are inside dogs but they do go outside several times a day.

Suffering is suffering. Does not matter if it is human or animal. I care deeply about both.

When, in fact, they adamantly & very publicly oppose it. Who's being clueless here?

Many if not most are almost certainly mutts which muddies the water considerably. Do you mean 100% pit-bull type breed or something less than? None of these look like 100% pit-bull type dogs to me. 8, 54 and 58 look like boxers or boxer/bulldog mixes.

Based on the UF College of Veterinary Medicine Dog Breed Identification survey: What kind of dog is that?

None of the dogs you listed had any more than 25% and you conveniently left out the dogs from the survey who did have a significant percentage, and the vast majority that had 25% were correctly identified as well. When you cherry pick your data set you can make it say whatever you want.

Dog 09

50% American Bulldog
50% American Staffordshire Terrier

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American Staffordshire Terrier
American Bulldog

Dog 16

25% American Staffordshire
25% Staffordshire Bull Terrier

Top Responses

American Staffordshire Terrier
American Bulldog

Dog 23

25% American Staffordshire
25% Boxer

Top Responses

American Staffordshire Terrier
Staffordshire Bull Terrier

Dog 29

25% American Staffordshire
25% Staffordshire Bull Terrier

Top Responses

No Predominant Breed
American Staffordshire Terrier

Dog 30

25% American Staffordshire
25% French Bulldog

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Boxer
American Staffordshire Terrier

Dog 42

25% Staffordshire Bull Terrier
25% Chinese Sharpei

Top Responses

American Staffordshire Terrier
No Predominant Breed

Dog 59

50% American Bulldog
50% American Staffordshire Terrier

Top Responses

American Staffordshire Terrier
Staffordshire Bull Terrier

Dog 67

25% American Bulldog
25% Staffordshire Bull Terrier

Top Responses

No Predominant Breed
Bull Terrier (including miniature)

Dog 96

50% American Staffordshire Terrier
6.95% Vizsla

Top Responses

American Staffordshire Terrier
No Predominant Breed

Dog 97

50% American Staffordshire Terrier
25% Bullmastiff

Top Responses

American Staffordshire Terrier
Staffordshire Bull Terrier

Dog 108

25% American Staffordshire Terrier
25% Shetland Sheepdog

Top Responses

No Predominant Breed
American Staffordshire Terrier

25% = 22% mis-identification rate (2 out of 9)

Clearly the data is telling you something quite different than it's telling me.

It it looks like a Pit Bull in the shelter, it is a Pit Bull. Period. No matter what it's DNA is. Therefore, with BSL 17 of the dogs in the study with no Pit Bull ancestry would have been killed, and 10 of the Pit Bulls (as defined by the study) would have been missed.

And not one would be subject to any temperament or behavioral testing.

BSLs fail on every level.


DNA Results: 25% Boxer, 25% Alaskan Malamute, 21.95% Sealyham Terrier, 19.67% Pointer


DNA Results: 25% Bulldog, 12.5% Mastiff, 12.5% Boxer, 10.42% Tibetan Mastiff


DNA Results: 25% Boxer, 25% Entlebucher Mountain Dog, 25% German Spitz, 9.14% Golden Retriever

And so did you.

Here's what I wrote, verbatim:

All of these are just from 2013:

http://host.madison.com/news/local/crime_and_courts/toddler-victim-identified-in-fatal-dog-attack-in-walworth-county/article_64b6aaf8-8811-11e2-8efd-001a4bcf887a.html#ixzz2ffxX2VM3

http://gwdtoday.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=27&ArticleID=23536

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Dog-fatally-mauls-4-year-old-near-Conroe-4209574.php

http://www.pe.com/local-news/riverside-county/hemet/hemet-headlines-index/20130211-hemet-police-say-noted-artist-likely-killed-by-pit-bulls.ece

http://www.ksat.com/news/Toddler-dies-after-pit-bull-attack-south-of-San-Antonio/-/478452/18587666/-/10srd4wz/-/index.html

http://www.pjstar.com/news/x1522336743/Owner-of-dog-that-killed-child-I-want-to-die-instead?zc_p=0

http://wqad.com/2013/06/11/no-charges-in-deadly-dog-attack/

http://www.bryancountynews.net/archives/26156/

http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/Boy-Attacked-By-Two-Pit-Bull-Mixes-Dies-201839271.html

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130411/A_NEWS/130419967/-1/A_NEWS14

http://whotv.com/2013/04/23/child-dies-four-year-old-attacked-by-dog/

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/neighbors-shocked-over-dog-attack-killed-toddler/nXYJX/

http://summerville.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/photos-dogs-involved-in-fatal-mauling#photo-14513603

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-pit-bull-owner-murder-20130531,0,666935.story

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Boy-6-fatally-bitten-by-relative-s-dog-4606876.php

http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=914410#.Uj-eDj-TIWW

Right?

Because visual breed identifications are less than 50% accurate - worse than random chance.

Some were identified by DNA testing.

So I'm pretty sure the odds are considerably better, but even if you want to throw out half of them, you're still faced with the reality that this family of breeds kill far more often than any other.

And I'm still waiting for those actual links.

As I said many of the dog breeds in question were identified by owners or people who know how to identify dogs like animal control officers. Your contention is that the average joe on the street can't make such identifications and even if that's true isn't all that relevant to these cases. If your claim is that there isn't a clear trend here, go right ahead. I'm convinced otherwise.

But I don't see any mention of punishing the people that are guilty of neglecting & abusing dogs.

I've never advocated condemning any dog to death, much less "millions" and as far as I'm concerned anyone who abuses or neglects animals deserves jail time. You should be more careful when putting words in others mouths if you don't want to appear foolish.

Are you so deliberately clueless & ill-informed that you can pretend you don't know what you're arguing in favor of?

I bet you feel a bit "clueless & ill-informed" right now, eh?

in support of BSL - but you don't favor BSLs?

Riiiiiigghhhhttt.....

So pretending you do amounts to either propaganda, misinformation, or lies. Take your pick.

And if I'm posting propaganda, misinformation, and lies, then prove me wrong. As yet you haven't, so pretending otherwise also amounts to either propaganda, misinformation, or lies. Take your pick.

Cheers!

then try to weasel your way out way out when someone calls you on your bullshit?

As for proof:
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/dogbites/dog-bite-related-fatalities/
(which I doubt you'll actually put in the effort to read, considering the quality of your "evidence" so far.)

No, I'm not going to read a multipage document looking for dog knows what until you actually form an argument.

1) Specify exactly what you think is "bullshit"

2) Offer your contradiction

3) Provide proof that supports your position

Pro-tip: Step 3 is worthless without steps 1 and 2.

For further reading...

Cheers!

So far your tactic seems to be to denigrate anyone with whom you disagree.

I don't really see how you're helping your case. This post sums it up pretty well:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023713147#post109

Cheers!

That's not just worthless - it's delusional.

If you can't even state what you're so desperately trying to contradict, you haven't offered anything substantive to this discussion. Simply proving how emotional you are about the issue does nothing to help your cause and if anything it's counterproductive. It provides no more value than a streetcorner preacher.

Since all you want to do now is chase your tail, I'm quite done here. Feel free to have the last word as such things appear vitally important to you, but I have no interest in reading anything else you care to author on the subject.

Cheers!

That is, in how many maulings does the media's purported misidentification of pit bulls result in a significant and substantive difference in the outcome of the case? Specific numbers, please. How often is the resolution of a case negatively affected by the media incorrectly identifying a particular animal as a pit bull?

Also, since you're the self-appointed expert on breed identifcation, please share your wisdom and tell us exactly what percentage of pit bull lineage qualifies a particular animal as a pit bull.

I'll have to conclude that you're either arguing from anecdote or arguing from emotionalism.

Care to offer any context at all?

in what they say has no impact? You can't trust the media ...period. Most on this site know that. Problem is, many in our country do listen to them because why would they lie or misrepresent anything? Please .... the media bears some responsibility in feeding people lies so they feel like they don't have to figure things out for themselves.

It speaks of the owner potentially being charged with animal cruelty towards the dog alleged to have done damage.

So...is it the breed (as you've stated), or how that one dog is treated/raised/kept, thereby making it the fault of the person(s) treating/raising/keeping the dog, but creating a very convenient scapegoat for those that would otherwise "FOXNews" the discussion?

So if that was all there was to it one would expect something other than a plurality of breeds in dog bite deaths and that just isn't the case. There's little question that owners play a large role. In at least one of the cases the owner trained his dogs to guard his pot plants and no doubt made them mean as hell. But if all these owners had golden retrievers instead of pit-bull type dogs, I doubt the results would have been the same. I've seen how pit-bulls kill. They latch on to their targets' neck and they don't let go until they have ripped out their throats. Not all dogs are physically capable of this or have the temperament to do so. You find these traits in a fairly narrow band of breeds.

They "latch on to their targets' neck and they don't let go"...etc, etc? Not all dogs are physically capable of this or have the temperament to do so.

All the above are your words. Yet, you didn't address what I stated. Hmm.

But then, you "doubt results" based on breed, yet you don't know. Then you state allegations that you call facts, yet are laughably disproven.

Do you have anything at all based in fact? I mean anything at all?

Two of my neighbors had them including one who practically raised me while my parents were at work. They specifically acquired pit-bulls because they would attack any stray dog on the place who bothered their livestock. I saw several other dogs killed including one in particular with no less than 4 grown men trying to pull the pit off, one of which who took an axe handle and tried to pull the dog's jaws apart. They were unable to save the dog.

How many killings by pits have you witnessed, or any other breed for that matter?

You have yet to address why so many pits are involved in human fatal attacks other than to blame it all on the owners which seems more than a bit nonsensical. Where's all the herding dog killings? Where's all the bird dog killings? Where's all the poodle killings? Pit-bull type breeds make up a very small part of the overall dog population, yet account for an extremely disproportionate number of fatal attacks. Pointing the finger somewhere else only works to a certain extent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States#Fatalities_reported_in_2013

It seems that the terrier instinct served them well, I guess. I love the "locking jaws" stories. So fun. Stupid, but fun. So, how many pitbulls, how may strays and these "several other dogs killed" do tell about them? Axe handle to pull the dog's jaws apart...laugh riot that!

How many killings by pits, me? None. In 15 years of rescuing them, including taking the very worst examples from the very worst people, none. I've gone into dogfighting dens where all those dogs know is that humans trained them and rewarded them to tear into other animals. Never had a problem. I've taken bait dogs (also pits) out who know nothing more than humans trained other dogs to tear into them. Never had a problem. That you had neighbors that raised aggressive dogs for a specific task? Yeah, that's not data. That's cousin-fuckers attempting a solution poorly. Maybe that issue is you being raised around cousin-fuckers.

Sorry, never mind that last statement. Alerters will be all over it.

And I did address "why so many pits" are allegedly involved in human fatal attacks. Data fail. Merritt Clifton needs a new job.

You have zero direct experience. Try reading some autopsy reports from fatal dog attacks and see if you can figure out which part of the body they target in almost all cases and exactly what causes the fatality. There's a pretty good reason why the people you mentioned use pits for dog fights. They were bred for the task and have been for a very long time.

The pit pulls I was raised around were never trained to be aggressive or to attack anything. Making it up as you go along and using conjecture to call someone else an idiot doesn't do much for your credibility. I never once mentioned "locking jaws" so I see you rely quite heavily on the strawman and name calling to make your points. As far as I'm concerned it just provides a pretty good proof of your lack of critical thinking skills.

Or forever shut up on the subject. I'll wait here.

Never fails, in fact. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is somehow--miraculously--a lying idiot.


It's amazing that you're so consistently persecuted in this regard. What is it about your civil and inviting manner that inspires these scoundrels to engage with you on subject after subject?

But then, back on topic. When some...uh, idiot suggests no direct experience, considering, I just can't help myself. It's not that everyone who doesn't agree with me is somehow blah blah an idiot, it's that there are those that chime in who are indeed, complete fucking idiots.

Nothing to do with me, really. But I appreciate that you hold me in such high regard that it's about me and not about others being quite simply certifiably stupid on a topic.

If I need to apologize for your accusation of "chest-thumping bluster" on the topic, I feel that I can't. Again, my clients shouldn't stand for it, stupidity being what it is. And since I have a chest to thump (you'll have one eventually, I'm sure *wink*) I'll do so on their behalf.

Now, off to alert on this Orrex. It's all you have my little friend.

So if you were going to alert on that post, you might as well alert on this one, too.

I'd hate to have to explain that to people that matter.

Cheers on that one, mate. Much appreciation for that.

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One is loath to speculate.

And to even front that makes you look...well, meh. Is what it is. Pathetic, really. Feel free to get further emotional about postings on a message board on a topic about which you know so very little. You have nothing to make a point about, every single bit of your petty bullshit defeated, you resort to that. You make me laugh, and for that I thank you.

Now, alert away! It's what you and yours do when soundly defeated, looking foolish.

Oh, and since you were the one speculating, dare I say...

Nah.

In addition to your odd compulsion to call people idiots and liars, you are unable to recognize when someone is making you look like a fool. Might want to work on that, after you've finished with your dogs.

Gosh. You sure have a lot of pent up aggression. Is that what the vegetarian, animal-loving lifestyle gives you?


No thanks!