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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy is phone banking activist and writing on D.U. not activist?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3715031
As a separate issue, writing posts on DU is not activism (both sides are guilty of this conflation). Manning phone banks is activism. Signing a check is activism. Knocking and dragging is activism (we will especially need that next year: go here to see where you can help). Here I will preach for a second: if you want to change the party, the door is open. I've never yet heard of a state party that said "we're turning down volunteers".
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Posting a bunch of opinion that agrees with the group, like "Rush Limbaugh is a big doosh!" or "Fuck the NRA", is not activism; it's just preaching to the choir.
In contrast, posting informative pieces of news, links to petitions and contribution websites, and posting other references and resources that help us GOTV or have a real impact on others is, I think, a form of activism.
Even posting well sourced OPs that are meant to inform members of our own community who might be under the influence of misinformation is, I think, a form of activism though it doesn't reach out to the larger community.
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)Posting a bunch of opinion that agrees with the group, like "Rush Limbaugh is a big doosh!" or "Fuck the NRA", is not activism; it's just preaching to the choir.
As to reaching out to the larger community, I think it does as a better informed Democratic community is a more effective one especially in mixed political areas.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Some of what we post and read is true activism, but most of it is informative.
randome
(34,845 posts)Is that activism?
What about when I post a picture of Ed Snowden in a flying car? Is that activism?
What about the mutual masturbatory posts that worship a single DUer? Is that activism?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)There is a lot prodigy here as well, if you look for it.
Having said that sometimes even a ditto post can reinforce a positive post catching the attention of some readers that may have missed it.
randome
(34,845 posts)Let's say there are 300,000 DUers. That means there are probably 700,000 interpretations of what DU is.
Where has all this navel gazing come from? Who gives a shit if DU means the same thing to everyone or not?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)The more one uses, the more they are furthering the President's agenda.
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)That was what I was thinking when I wrote that.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)If I'm wrong and people are actually influenced by an Internet forum to go vote who otherwise wouldn't, then I'm happy to be wrong.
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)can be.
First comes thought; then organization of that thought, into ideas and plans; then transformation of those plans into reality. The beginning, as you will observe, is in your imagination.
Napoleon Hill
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/n/napoleonhi393412.html#jhveSdhogdXQhRJB.99
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/activism?s=t
noun
1. the doctrine or practice of vigorous action or involvement as a means of achieving political or other goals, sometimes by demonstrations, protests, etc.
2. Philosophy .
a. a theory that the essence of reality is pure activity, especially spiritual activity, or process.
b. a theory that the relationship between the mind and the objects of perception depends upon the action of the mind.
Putting those thoughts out for public consumption has a ripple effect on the objects of perception.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)activism is only activism if involves a ballot box? That's some pretty narrow parameters.
ac·tiv·ism
[ak-tuh-viz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
the doctrine or practice of vigorous action or involvement as a means of achieving political or other goals, sometimes by demonstrations, protests, etc.
2.
Philosophy .
a.
a theory that the essence of reality is pure activity, especially spiritual activity, or process.
b.
a theory that the relationship between the mind and the objects of perception depends upon the action of the mind.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/activism
Nope, nothing about a ballot box.
JI7
(89,260 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)it depends on the eye of the beholder.
Certainly not always but it does bring attention and can have influence, and that's activism.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)claim it is the only way to be active. It is an object for sale. Do people really respond to phone harassment? Not really, but those who profit selling the services want us to think so.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)LOL
Having the discussion that spending your time on a random web forum on the intertubes isn't a waste of time, with the same folks who are spending their time on the same web forum. Think about that-
You think people want to admit that what they write or do here is a waste of time
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)There are multitudes of lurkers and would be trolls that may have their pre-concieved ideas altered or influenced by our open to the world debate, think about that.
If you believe our debate has no purpose or meaning, you must not place too much value in the 1st Amendment for we are the people, I believe the Founders would disagree with you, no doubt that's why the 1st Amendment is the 1st Amendment.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)If somebody has their views influenced it can be positive or negative-
Shit, for a year or so I was a "truther" influenced by stuff I found first on DU. I'll call that my youthful indiscretion
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)we have tens of thousands.
People come here for different reasons.
208,032 user registrations and 63,585,638 posts since 2001
Furthermore D.U. has debated "truther" issues on both sides, pro and con, the tide rises and falls depending on the long term merits of the debate.
Your last sentence supports my hypothesis, you were "influenced" by the debates on D.U. and perhaps the corporate media as well.
I imagine from the sounds of it, today you would debate against any "truther" belief, this post to some degree being an example.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Just FYI-
You know the number of pizzas he has had to make?
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)I'm not certain what the definition of "unique" is but I imagine those people rotate in and out for periods of time.
Of course D.U. isn't alone, other sites Daily Kos, etc. etc. put out the messages, debate the issues, spread/disseminate the news, and counter corporate media propaganda.
I've went for weeks without posting here, perhaps that's when Skinner made the pizza.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)We're just talking among ourselves - not the larger community. Still, there's a value in debunking right wing talking points and that kind of thing. Not being specifically activism doesn't mean it isn't of value.
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)Countering that mass propaganda, (if we didn't have sites like D.U. it would go unchecked,) most certainly is activism.
We're not in a bubble despite what the corporate media would have you believe, if you want to live in a bubble, just get your information from the corporate media; where serious debate is tilted strongly to one side, or non-existent.
Furthermore we're not talking among ourselves, we're talking to world, lurkers and would be trolls visit and post on D.U. as well, if their pre-concieved ideas are influenced or enlightened in any way, that's also activism.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)spread on the internet?
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)some here sincerely believe that, having bought corporate media propaganda on the issue.
As I more or less stated above effective propaganda is a powerful force and no one knows that better than the corporate media.
Rex
(65,616 posts)The people saying otherwise are clueless.