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Uncle Joe

(58,389 posts)
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 08:56 PM Sep 2013

Why is phone banking activist and writing on D.U. not activist?



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3715031

As a separate issue, writing posts on DU is not activism (both sides are guilty of this conflation). Manning phone banks is activism. Signing a check is activism. Knocking and dragging is activism (we will especially need that next year: go here to see where you can help). Here I will preach for a second: if you want to change the party, the door is open. I've never yet heard of a state party that said "we're turning down volunteers".



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Why is phone banking activist and writing on D.U. not activist? (Original Post) Uncle Joe Sep 2013 OP
I don't know that it's all black and white like that. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #1
I agree with part of your post Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #2
I agree. It's like activism practice camp! NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #4
What about the 'ditto' posts? The 'yep' and 'yup' posts? randome Sep 2013 #3
Not necessarily but one shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #5
Who wants to throw anything out? randome Sep 2013 #6
No, but :rofl: smilies are considered activism Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #15
No, but publicly debating his policies in a sincere/mature manner whether pro or con is activism. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #16
Well, what I had in mind was that it doesn't get anybody to a ballot box Recursion Sep 2013 #7
Oh? So we can now have a permanent moratorium on the "Vote... or else" posts? n/t winter is coming Sep 2013 #8
Well that's obviously up to Skinner. I think they're kind of silly but they don't do any harm Recursion Sep 2013 #9
I agree that manning the phone banks is useful and acitvist but so is writing on D.U. or at least it Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #11
So, according to your "expertise," Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #21
on DU when you get a lot of recs you achieve your goal JI7 Sep 2013 #10
Sometimes those goals can be most worthy, informative or valuable, Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #12
phone banking is a commodity, a service that can bring profit to those who Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #13
Um, it's not obvious? snooper2 Sep 2013 #14
You make the mistake of thinking everyone here are the same people Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #17
I come here for the news and entertainment- snooper2 Sep 2013 #20
Even if you wiped out 50% of user registrations, that's over a 100,000 people, at the very least Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #23
I asked Skinner some time back, there are about 5000 "unique" posters any given day snooper2 Sep 2013 #25
That would be the equivalent of over 9 Congresses plus a few Supreme Courts. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #27
Because it's action and not recreational typing nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #18
1. Typing is action, particulary for public consumption and 2. It's not all recreational. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #19
It's maybe "organizing" but not really activism gollygee Sep 2013 #22
Propaganda has great power, no one knows that better than the corporate media Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #24
Because that's the meme that the Third Way memo instructed their sockbots to Zorra Sep 2013 #26
I believe there may be people deliberately posting what they know is false but I also think Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #29
It is activism. Rex Sep 2013 #28
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. I don't know that it's all black and white like that.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:03 PM
Sep 2013

Posting a bunch of opinion that agrees with the group, like "Rush Limbaugh is a big doosh!" or "Fuck the NRA", is not activism; it's just preaching to the choir.

In contrast, posting informative pieces of news, links to petitions and contribution websites, and posting other references and resources that help us GOTV or have a real impact on others is, I think, a form of activism.

Even posting well sourced OPs that are meant to inform members of our own community who might be under the influence of misinformation is, I think, a form of activism though it doesn't reach out to the larger community.

Uncle Joe

(58,389 posts)
2. I agree with part of your post
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:11 PM
Sep 2013


Posting a bunch of opinion that agrees with the group, like "Rush Limbaugh is a big doosh!" or "Fuck the NRA", is not activism; it's just preaching to the choir.



As to reaching out to the larger community, I think it does as a better informed Democratic community is a more effective one especially in mixed political areas.
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
4. I agree. It's like activism practice camp!
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:16 PM
Sep 2013

Some of what we post and read is true activism, but most of it is informative.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. What about the 'ditto' posts? The 'yep' and 'yup' posts?
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:15 PM
Sep 2013

Is that activism?

What about when I post a picture of Ed Snowden in a flying car? Is that activism?

What about the mutual masturbatory posts that worship a single DUer? Is that activism?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

Uncle Joe

(58,389 posts)
5. Not necessarily but one shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:23 PM
Sep 2013

There is a lot prodigy here as well, if you look for it.

Having said that sometimes even a ditto post can reinforce a positive post catching the attention of some readers that may have missed it.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
6. Who wants to throw anything out?
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:27 PM
Sep 2013

Let's say there are 300,000 DUers. That means there are probably 700,000 interpretations of what DU is.

Where has all this navel gazing come from? Who gives a shit if DU means the same thing to everyone or not?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
15. No, but :rofl: smilies are considered activism
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:56 AM
Sep 2013

The more one uses, the more they are furthering the President's agenda.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
7. Well, what I had in mind was that it doesn't get anybody to a ballot box
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:30 PM
Sep 2013

That was what I was thinking when I wrote that.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
9. Well that's obviously up to Skinner. I think they're kind of silly but they don't do any harm
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:34 PM
Sep 2013

If I'm wrong and people are actually influenced by an Internet forum to go vote who otherwise wouldn't, then I'm happy to be wrong.

Uncle Joe

(58,389 posts)
11. I agree that manning the phone banks is useful and acitvist but so is writing on D.U. or at least it
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:38 PM
Sep 2013

can be.



First comes thought; then organization of that thought, into ideas and plans; then transformation of those plans into reality. The beginning, as you will observe, is in your imagination.

Napoleon Hill

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/n/napoleonhi393412.html#jhveSdhogdXQhRJB.99






http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/activism?s=t

noun
1. the doctrine or practice of vigorous action or involvement as a means of achieving political or other goals, sometimes by demonstrations, protests, etc.
2. Philosophy .
a. a theory that the essence of reality is pure activity, especially spiritual activity, or process.
b. a theory that the relationship between the mind and the objects of perception depends upon the action of the mind.



Putting those thoughts out for public consumption has a ripple effect on the objects of perception.





Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
21. So, according to your "expertise,"
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:36 PM
Sep 2013

activism is only activism if involves a ballot box? That's some pretty narrow parameters.


ac·tiv·ism
[ak-tuh-viz-uhm] Show IPA

noun
1.
the doctrine or practice of vigorous action or involvement as a means of achieving political or other goals, sometimes by demonstrations, protests, etc.

2.
Philosophy .
a.
a theory that the essence of reality is pure activity, especially spiritual activity, or process.

b.
a theory that the relationship between the mind and the objects of perception depends upon the action of the mind.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/activism


Nope, nothing about a ballot box.

Uncle Joe

(58,389 posts)
12. Sometimes those goals can be most worthy, informative or valuable,
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:42 PM
Sep 2013

it depends on the eye of the beholder.

Certainly not always but it does bring attention and can have influence, and that's activism.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
13. phone banking is a commodity, a service that can bring profit to those who
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:42 AM
Sep 2013

claim it is the only way to be active. It is an object for sale. Do people really respond to phone harassment? Not really, but those who profit selling the services want us to think so.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
14. Um, it's not obvious?
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:54 AM
Sep 2013

LOL

Having the discussion that spending your time on a random web forum on the intertubes isn't a waste of time, with the same folks who are spending their time on the same web forum. Think about that-


You think people want to admit that what they write or do here is a waste of time

Uncle Joe

(58,389 posts)
17. You make the mistake of thinking everyone here are the same people
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:14 PM
Sep 2013

There are multitudes of lurkers and would be trolls that may have their pre-concieved ideas altered or influenced by our open to the world debate, think about that.

If you believe our debate has no purpose or meaning, you must not place too much value in the 1st Amendment for we are the people, I believe the Founders would disagree with you, no doubt that's why the 1st Amendment is the 1st Amendment.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
20. I come here for the news and entertainment-
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:24 PM
Sep 2013

If somebody has their views influenced it can be positive or negative-

Shit, for a year or so I was a "truther" influenced by stuff I found first on DU. I'll call that my youthful indiscretion

Uncle Joe

(58,389 posts)
23. Even if you wiped out 50% of user registrations, that's over a 100,000 people, at the very least
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:47 PM
Sep 2013

we have tens of thousands.

People come here for different reasons.



208,032 user registrations and 63,585,638 posts since 2001



Furthermore D.U. has debated "truther" issues on both sides, pro and con, the tide rises and falls depending on the long term merits of the debate.

Your last sentence supports my hypothesis, you were "influenced" by the debates on D.U. and perhaps the corporate media as well.

I imagine from the sounds of it, today you would debate against any "truther" belief, this post to some degree being an example.
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
25. I asked Skinner some time back, there are about 5000 "unique" posters any given day
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:16 PM
Sep 2013

Just FYI-

You know the number of pizzas he has had to make?

Uncle Joe

(58,389 posts)
27. That would be the equivalent of over 9 Congresses plus a few Supreme Courts.
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:36 PM
Sep 2013

I'm not certain what the definition of "unique" is but I imagine those people rotate in and out for periods of time.

Of course D.U. isn't alone, other sites Daily Kos, etc. etc. put out the messages, debate the issues, spread/disseminate the news, and counter corporate media propaganda.

I've went for weeks without posting here, perhaps that's when Skinner made the pizza.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
22. It's maybe "organizing" but not really activism
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:38 PM
Sep 2013

We're just talking among ourselves - not the larger community. Still, there's a value in debunking right wing talking points and that kind of thing. Not being specifically activism doesn't mean it isn't of value.

Uncle Joe

(58,389 posts)
24. Propaganda has great power, no one knows that better than the corporate media
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:55 PM
Sep 2013

Countering that mass propaganda, (if we didn't have sites like D.U. it would go unchecked,) most certainly is activism.

We're not in a bubble despite what the corporate media would have you believe, if you want to live in a bubble, just get your information from the corporate media; where serious debate is tilted strongly to one side, or non-existent.

Furthermore we're not talking among ourselves, we're talking to world, lurkers and would be trolls visit and post on D.U. as well, if their pre-concieved ideas are influenced or enlightened in any way, that's also activism.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
26. Because that's the meme that the Third Way memo instructed their sockbots to
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:30 PM
Sep 2013

spread on the internet?

Uncle Joe

(58,389 posts)
29. I believe there may be people deliberately posting what they know is false but I also think
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:46 PM
Sep 2013

some here sincerely believe that, having bought corporate media propaganda on the issue.

As I more or less stated above effective propaganda is a powerful force and no one knows that better than the corporate media.



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